I am still plugging away trying to find where Patrick and Ellen Collins came from in Ireland.In an attempt to find the christian name of Ellen, I have obtained several birth Certs. for children whose details from the 1837 site seemed to be the right ones, but they are all from the wrong families.Now I have found another possible son, Patrick, with the following details;PATRICK COLLINS B SEPT Q 1870 STOCKTON 10A 40.In the 1881 census Patricks place of birth was given as SUNDERLAND, DURHAM.Is there any way I can find the the details of this birth without ending up with another useless certificate? Jim Cleary,Napier, N Z