In my note yesterday I made a mistake and said that John Elder could not decide where he was born It was actually his son in law Daniel Toft who did that I think they just liked to confuse future generations On the name Dodgson I have the name with the Elders in 1851 I know Charles Lutwidge Dodgson was Lewis Carroll and had some connections with Whitburn does any one have any idea if this was his brother or indeed any relation ? 1851 Census, South Shields District Family Number: 13782.5 Whitburn & Cleadon 1851 Census, Whitburn Village Elizabeth Elder, Head, widowed, 59, Annuitant, born Stockton, Durham Robert Elder, Son, 30, Mason, born South Brandon (?), Durham William Elder, Son, 26, Mason, born Whitburn, Durham John Elder, Son, 21, Blacksmith, born Whitburn, Durham Thomas Elder, Son, 18, Mason, born Whitburn, Durham William H. Dodgson, Lodger, 29, Artist, South Lincolnshire Cheers Pat