Should of thought of that one Stan be being a dual nationality as in Aussie and Brit Don't think there would be too may goldmines in Lizard Lane -or maybe Cheers Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: <Stanmapstone@aol.com> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 4:52 PM Subject: Re: [SUNDERLAND] Gold Mine > In a message dated 14/03/2005 15:31:38 GMT Standard Time, > derek.phillips2@ntlworld.com writes: > I have a William Elder from Whitburn a former Stone Mason owning a Gold Mine > -any ideas on how or where > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > More than likely in Australia, see The Australian Gold Rush > http://www.cultureandrecreation.gov.au/articles/goldrush/ > > He does not seem to be in the 1871 Census. He could have retired to his > birth place after making his pile in Australia. > Regards Stan Mapstone > www.mapstone.org > > > ==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== > Hylton Castle, > http://blake.sunderland.ac.uk/~ta5msy/castle.htm > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat & Derek" <derek.phillips2@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 6:09 AM Subject: [genealogy] Fw: [SUNDERLAND] Gold Mine > Should of thought of that one Stan be being a dual nationality as in Aussie > and Brit > Don't think there would be too may goldmines in Lizard Lane -or maybe > Cheers Pat Hi, Pat. Just a few simple comments - Australia and "Australian Nationality" did not exist in a legal sense until the separate British colonies in Australia were formally united into a Federation in 1901. No-one could have had "dual Aussie and Brit" nationality in 1881. Legal Australian citizenship was only introduced much more recently. To quote a government document "From the time of European settlement until 1949, anyone born or naturalised in Australia was a "British subject." The Nationality and Citizenship Act 1949, which came into being on 26 January 1949, created Australian citizenship". "Real" (or "fair dinkum") Australian passports were an even later development. Until 1973, all passports issued in Australia included the words "British Citizen" on the front. HTH Tim S.

Tim I meant I am the one with dual nationality I was being facetious in that if I can go to and fro to Oz then so could my ancestors ! It should have read me not be Sorry for the mistake Cheers Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "tim sewell" <postmantim2@optusnet.com.au> To: "Pat & Derek" <derek.phillips2@ntlworld.com>; "ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-List" <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 14, 2005 11:09 PM Subject: Re: [genealogy] Fw: [SUNDERLAND] Gold Mine > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat & Derek" <derek.phillips2@ntlworld.com> > To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 6:09 AM > Subject: [genealogy] Fw: [SUNDERLAND] Gold Mine > > > > Should of thought of that one Stan be being a dual nationality as in > Aussie > > and Brit > > Don't think there would be too may goldmines in Lizard Lane -or maybe > > Cheers Pat > > Hi, Pat. > > Just a few simple comments - > > Australia and "Australian Nationality" did not exist in a legal sense until > the separate British colonies in Australia were formally united into a > Federation in 1901. No-one could have had "dual Aussie and Brit" > nationality in 1881. > > Legal Australian citizenship was only introduced much more recently. To > quote a government document "From the time of European settlement until > 1949, anyone born or naturalised in Australia was a "British subject." The > Nationality and Citizenship Act 1949, which came into being on 26 January > 1949, created Australian citizenship". > > "Real" (or "fair dinkum") Australian passports were an even later > development. Until 1973, all passports issued in Australia included the > words "British Citizen" on the front. > > > HTH > Tim S. > > >

----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat & Derek" <derek.phillips2@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 15, 2005 10:19 AM Subject: Re: [genealogy] Fw: [SUNDERLAND] Gold Mine > Tim I meant I am the one with dual nationality I was being facetious in that > if I can go to and fro to Oz then so could my ancestors ! > It should have read me not be > Sorry for the mistake > Cheers Pat Oops - and there I was, thinking I was telling you something new! But, while I am rambling on, did you find William and Mary in the 1881 census transcription on CD? If you did, then if you go back and find William and Mary Elder again, click on the "Neighbours" tab, and you will see that quite a range of occupations are represented within Hedworth Terrace. They include Inspector of Nuisance (Munic), Blacksmith retired, Joiner, Lodging House Keeper, Owner of Blacksmith Shop, Owner of Gold Mine, Rural Policeman - no landed gentry with great estates there. While I have no evidence about the location of William Elder's gold mine, I would be greatly surprised if it was in Australia (always assuming that it wasn't merely a private joke of William's). Certainly, if I called myself the Owner of a gold mine in Australia, I wouldn't be tending my garden in Whitburn while I trusted whoever I had left digging the gold out of my mine. I am inclined to believe that his mine would more likely have been in Wales or Scotland (his wife's birth in Cupar could be a clue?), or that he was simply a shareholder in a productive gold mining company. Definitely no gold in Lizard Lane - I never even saw a lizard there! Another puzzle for Stan, perhaps. Near neighbours of William Elders included families living at Pear Tree Cottage, where there were at least 5 families, totalling at least 30 people. Just what sort of "cottage" would have housed that many? HTH Tim S.