While we are on the subject of missions, what do you learned gentlemen (and ladies) know about the Flag Lane mission. In the Kellys directory 1890 there is an entry for my GGG Grandfather John Hunter, greengrocer at number 9 Flag Lane and directly underneath it is the Parish Mission Chapel. I wonder if the greengrocery was actually in the mission or is it just the next entry. Regards Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:04 AM Subject: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Digest, Vol 2, Issue 171 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Sans Street and Street Numbers ([email protected]) > 2. Sans Street Mission ([email protected]) > 3. North Eastern Reformatory and Stannington burials. (Mary) > 4. Re: North Eastern Reformatory and Stannington burials. > ([email protected]) > 5. Re: Sans Street Mission ([email protected]) > 6. Re: Sans Street Mission ([email protected]) > 7. Fw: Sans Street Mission (Pat & Derek) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 08:29:00 +0100 (GMT+01:00) > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Sans Street and Street Numbers > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset="UTF-8" > > > My sincere apologies for confusing two chapels. > > > However, I now have a question: > > > As the mission chapel was on High Street West, how did it come to be > known as Sans Street Mission? This must have been confusing when, for > some years, there was another mission chapel on Sans Street itself. > > > I have had a look at Ward's Directory for 1899 - 1900 where there are > the following entries: > > > High Street West - South Side > > 162 Caslaw, Hayter & Tate, outfitters > Wesleyan Methodist Chapel > 166 Sans Street Mission. > > > Sans Street > > 38 Surtees (W & H) & Co Brassfounders > > The St. Thomas, Mission had closed by then. > > Alan Vickers. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Tiscali Broadband only ?7.99 a month for your first 3 months! > http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:45:34 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Sans Street Mission > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > In a message dated 27/08/2007 08:30:17 GMT Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > As the mission chapel was on High Street West, how did it come to be > known as Sans Street Mission? This must have been confusing when, for > some years, there was another mission chapel on Sans Street itself. > ___________________________________________________________ > > Hi Alan, > There is some error in the various publications about the "Sans Street > Mission". In Tom Corfe's 'History of Sunderland' he states "The first > Wesleyan > Chapel, opened in Numbers Garth in 1759, was moved to Sans Street in > 1793" > In Glen L. Dodds "A History of Sunderland" he states "In 1759 he opened > Sunderland's first Methodist Chapel in Numbers Garth, off High Street. > This in > turn was replaced by an elegant chapel built in Sans Street in 1793..." > Both these entries are incorrect. > White's 1827 Directory has "The Wesleyan Methodist Chapel at the foot of > Sans Street was built in 1791, enlarged in 1809 and 1824, ... > accommodates > 2,500..." > The Baptist Chapel was at 41 Sans Street, on the west side. In the 1890 > directory it was the Gospel Mission Hall, and the Wesleyan Chapel was on > the > south side of High Street West next to number 162 which was at the corner > of Sans > Street. > In "Images of Wearside" there is a full page 1937 photo entitled > (wrongly) > "The Wesleyan Chapel in Sans Street, Sunderland known as Sans Street > Mission. > Built in 1793 and enlarged in 1807, it could accommodate about 2,000 > people". > However from the photographs in "Sunderland East End Revisited" and "A > Century of Sunderland Cinemas" the chapel is obviously on High Street > West. One > photograph is taken from the north side of the street looking South East > and > you can clearly see the three tower blocks in the background. > > There is no doubt that the Chapel was on High Street West, but I don't > know > why it was called the "Sans Street Mission" > > > > Stan > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:12:09 +0100 > From: "Mary" <[email protected]> > Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] North Eastern Reformatory and > Stannington burials. > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > dear Listers, > I was recently reading documents at Woodhorn about this institution where > a great great uncle David Allan worked as a shoemaker from 1901- 1906 when > he died from rheumatic fever. > Two questions which you may be able to help me with. > 1. Are the old buildings on the site of what is now Netherton Park > Correctional school the remains of the Reformatory or was it at the other > site in Stannington owned by the CC which I think was a hospital site? Are > the adjacent farm buildings now holiday lets(I think) part of the > Reformatory farm? > 2. David was buried at Stannington on the 3rd Jan. 1906. I doubt that > there would be a stone but would it be possible to find out where his plot > is? > I'm sure someone will know the answers. Incidently the records for this > institution are fascinating. It seemed very enlightened and some of the > staff seemed more trouble than the lads. They seemed to enjoy an 85% > "redemption" rate which would be the envy of modern probation services. > Best wishes, > mary > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:48:27 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] North Eastern Reformatory and > Stannington burials. > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Hi Mary, > Stannington is in Northumberland and is not associated with Sunderland. > You > would be better posting to the Northumbria list > > Stan > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:31:15 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Sans Street Mission > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > While I wouldn't dream of disagreeing with any of the statements made so > far, I would draw the attention of those interested to "Antiquities of > Sunderland" Vol XXVII (1977-79), page 79, where, in an article by C B > Walker entitled > "The East End of Sunderland", the subject of an illustrated lecture given > by > him on 7 December 1976, it states: > > "SANS STREET. Former "Back Lonnin", a name also applied to Coronation > Street. The Parish Boundary ran up the middle of the Street. Sans Close > was > dated 1841 but the term was used for land hereabouts as early as 1694. > The > name probably arose from the nature of the land, which is almost pure > sand. > BAPTIST CHAPEL. 1798. This can still be seen incorporated into the > wall > of a furniture factory. J D Todd's printing works have been there since > the > 1860s. > STAR MUSIC HALL opened in 1885 was the last of the small theatres in > the > town and was never economic. It is now a garage, but its original > purpose > can still be traced both externally and internally. This occupies the > site of > Bowling Green House, shown on Raine's Map, and was at one time used as > the > Dispensary - forerunner of the Infirmary." > > I am not sure what is intended by the reference to J D Todd's printing > works. That is, whether is was on the site of the Baptist Chapel (but > surely > that was the furniture factory) or whether, and probably, it was > elsewhere in > the street. > > I don't think Raine's map (the "Eye-Plan") has yet been mentioned in > this context, probably because it is usually dated as 1785-90, a little > early > for us. On it, Sans Street is called "Back Lane" and seems to have > comprised > only five houses - or five buildings, anyway: some may have been in > multi-occupation. None have been given any mark of their nature. They > are all on the > east side of the north end of the street. The Bowling Green House is > clearly > shown on the west side of the street, near its southern end, as is the > Bowling Green itself. > > Geoff Nicholson > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:18:52 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Sans Street Mission > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > In a message dated 27/08/2007 17:37:12 GMT Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > STAR MUSIC HALL opened in 1885 was the last of the small theatres in the > town and was never economic. It is now a garage, but its original > purpose > hi can still be traced both externally and internally. > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Hi Geoff, > In a "Century of Sunderland Cinemas" by Albert Anderson he has a chapter > on > the Star Music Hall. In 1857 the building at Number 2 Upper Sans Street, > (which was to the south of Coronation Street), was opened as the Assembly > Rooms. > On 26th. December 1882 it was opened as the Star Music Hall by a Signor > Durland (aka Rudland). On Saturday 16th August 1883 it was badly damaged > by fire. > It was later put into use as Salvation Army Barracks until 1906, when it > was > re-opened as the Pavilion Cinema on 11th February 1907. It was later > renamed > the Scala and closed down in 1924. In 1930 it was purchased by Charles > Jolly > for his motor garage. It was subsequently demolished to make way for the > new > road. > Stan > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 07:01:16 +0930 > From: "Pat & Derek" <[email protected]> > Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Fw: Sans Street Mission > To: "Sunderland List" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Stan and list > Would the book you mention "Century of Sunderland Cinemas" be available > My Grandfather worked at the Empire as either a stage hand or > manager -have > never been able to source which - he was a Sawyer by trade > He was Stage Manager at the Boro Theatre Shields - I have small business > card to that effect but I would love to be able to fit together more > pieces about the Empire > There is a painting of the Empire with a man in the foreground in his suit > and cap -again don't know who the painting is by - but my Mum was adamant > the man in the foreground is her father > I am planning a trip 'home ' in January when Mum has her 100th birthday > and > intend to have a day at the Sunderland library -could advice any > particular > books other than the one mentioned that might help me look into the > history > of the Empire > Cheers Pat > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 3:48 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Sans Street Mission > > >> In a message dated 27/08/2007 17:37:12 GMT Daylight Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> STAR MUSIC HALL opened in 1885 was the last of the small theatres in the >> town and was never economic. It is now a garage, but its original >> purpose >> hi can still be traced both externally and internally. >> >> ___________________________________________________________________ >> >> Hi Geoff, >> In a "Century of Sunderland Cinemas" by Albert Anderson he has a chapter >> on >> the Star Music Hall. In 1857 the building at Number 2 Upper Sans Street, >> (which was to the south of Coronation Street), was opened as the >> Assembly >> Rooms. >> On 26th. December 1882 it was opened as the Star Music Hall by a Signor >> Durland (aka Rudland). On Saturday 16th August 1883 it was badly damaged >> by fire. >> It was later put into use as Salvation Army Barracks until 1906, when it >> was >> re-opened as the Pavilion Cinema on 11th February 1907. It was later >> renamed >> the Scala and closed down in 1924. In 1930 it was purchased by Charles >> Jolly >> for his motor garage. It was subsequently demolished to make way for the >> new >> road. >> Stan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.8/973 - Release Date: >> 25/08/2007 >> 17:00 >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Digest, Vol 2, Issue 171 > ************************************************** >