In a message dated 09/01/2008 02:48:36 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I sent away for his birth certificate, but the records office said they couldn't find him? All the information I have is that he was born 24 July, 1969 in Sunderland Durham ______________________________________________________________________________ _ Hi Nanette, How do you know that he was born in Sunderland on 24 July 1869? His birth would have been registered in the Sept ¼ 1868, and according to FreeBmd there was no George Hall registered in Sunderland in that ¼. There was on registered in the June ¼ 1869 but that does not agree with the date you give. Stan