Thank you Stan & Graham will try there. I didn't have Isabella's death, thank you Janis, not sure now about the Ann Levingston LUCKLY, my Ann's mother was Euphemia & in 1852 she married Robert COLLINS, Ann then turns up as Ann Luckley COLLINS, I can't be sure Robert was the biological father, I will send off for cert quoting both with the proviso mothers name was Euphemia, On the IGI Mormons site Matthew is noted as born in Monkwearmouth birth & marriage I think, thank you again for your help, Regards Ken Peterson