Hi Allan, Ogden Street is still there on the map, but the original houses are not. Stan Mapstone -----Original Message----- From: Allan Robson <allandrobson@btinternet.com> To: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 10:18 Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Ogden St Sunderland Hi All My Relatives lived in Ogden St Sunderland from the 1900's to about 1925, I believe it is now longer there, would anybody know anything about the Street, my father talked about an Abbatoir nearby? Thanks Allan Robson ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

It could be it was the Northern Weekly Leader and the Newcastle Daily Leader, the list I have is not very clear. Stan Mapstone -----Original Message----- From: Stan Mapstone <stanmapstone@aol.com> To: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 9:55 Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Unknown Newspaper Correction! they were the Newcastle Weekly Leader and Daily Leader. Stan Mapstone -----Original Message----- From: Stan Mapstone <stanmapstone@aol.com> To: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 8:53 Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Unknown Newspaper There was The Northern Weekly Leader (1884-1919), and The Northern Daily Leader 1885-1903) tan Mapstone -----Original Message----- rom: Bruce Dodd <bmdodd@rogers.com> o: Eng-Dur-Sunderland <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND@rootsweb.com> ent: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 4:50 ubject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Unknown Newspaper would like to ask your help with one more local-knowledge question; en I'm into read-only mode till after Christmas. have inherited a discoloured newspaper clipping about the rescue of a all boy who fell into the Wear from the Panns Steps beside the armouth Bridge. It carries a handwritten annotation. he date is clear: "19-9-05". The three-word name of the newspaper has come less than legible in the past century. The first word is "North" "North'n". The second defeats me: it may start with "C", and end th "y", though the latter may be a comma. The third might be "Leader" perhaps "London". That is the consensus of several eyes. 'm hoping these feeble clues may be enough for some knowledgeable sters to identify a paper that would have devoted a quarter column and picture to a purely local story. hank you, Listers, yet again. ruce Dodd, tawa, ON ------------------------------ unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of e message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Correction! they were the Newcastle Weekly Leader and Daily Leader. Stan Mapstone -----Original Message----- From: Stan Mapstone <stanmapstone@aol.com> To: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 8:53 Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Unknown Newspaper There was The Northern Weekly Leader (1884-1919), and The Northern Daily Leader 1885-1903) tan Mapstone -----Original Message----- rom: Bruce Dodd <bmdodd@rogers.com> o: Eng-Dur-Sunderland <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND@rootsweb.com> ent: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 4:50 ubject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Unknown Newspaper would like to ask your help with one more local-knowledge question; en I'm into read-only mode till after Christmas. have inherited a discoloured newspaper clipping about the rescue of a all boy who fell into the Wear from the Panns Steps beside the armouth Bridge. It carries a handwritten annotation. he date is clear: "19-9-05". The three-word name of the newspaper has come less than legible in the past century. The first word is "North" "North'n". The second defeats me: it may start with "C", and end th "y", though the latter may be a comma. The third might be "Leader" perhaps "London". That is the consensus of several eyes. 'm hoping these feeble clues may be enough for some knowledgeable sters to identify a paper that would have devoted a quarter column and picture to a purely local story. hank you, Listers, yet again. ruce Dodd, tawa, ON ------------------------------ unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of e message ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

There was The Northern Weekly Leader (1884-1919), and The Northern Daily Leader (1885-1903) Stan Mapstone -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Dodd <bmdodd@rogers.com> To: Eng-Dur-Sunderland <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wed, 2 Dec 2009 4:50 Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Unknown Newspaper I would like to ask your help with one more local-knowledge question; hen I'm into read-only mode till after Christmas. I have inherited a discoloured newspaper clipping about the rescue of a mall boy who fell into the Wear from the Panns Steps beside the earmouth Bridge. It carries a handwritten annotation. The date is clear: "19-9-05". The three-word name of the newspaper has ecome less than legible in the past century. The first word is "North" r "North'n". The second defeats me: it may start with "C", and end ith "y", though the latter may be a comma. The third might be "Leader" r perhaps "London". That is the consensus of several eyes. I'm hoping these feeble clues may be enough for some knowledgeable isters to identify a paper that would have devoted a quarter column and picture to a purely local story. Thank you, Listers, yet again. Bruce Dodd, ttawa, ON ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

I would like to ask your help with one more local-knowledge question; then I'm into read-only mode till after Christmas. I have inherited a discoloured newspaper clipping about the rescue of a small boy who fell into the Wear from the Panns Steps beside the Wearmouth Bridge. It carries a handwritten annotation. The date is clear: "19-9-05". The three-word name of the newspaper has become less than legible in the past century. The first word is "North" or "North'n". The second defeats me: it may start with "C", and end with "y", though the latter may be a comma. The third might be "Leader" or perhaps "London". That is the consensus of several eyes. I'm hoping these feeble clues may be enough for some knowledgeable Listers to identify a paper that would have devoted a quarter column and a picture to a purely local story. Thank you, Listers, yet again. Bruce Dodd, Ottawa, ON

Stan - thanks for that additional information. Alan vickers. Fun games for all the family from Tiscali Play - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/play

Two houses in Maud Street were hit by a bomb, I think that they were Nos 2 & 4. The houses were rebuilt about 1949. A number of nearby houses were also demolished with a number of people killed and there was much surrounding blast damage, including to our own home. Alan Vickers. Fun games for all the family from Tiscali Play - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/play

"Sunderland in the Blitz", by Sunderland Council, lists all the streets in Sunderland where causalities were reported, either deaths or injuries. Maud Street is listed as is Azelea Terrace South, but not Azelia Avenue. In all 34,000 houses were damaged, (over 1,000 of which were totally lost) this represents no less than 90% of the total number of dwellings in the borough. The damage at Maud Street was caused, on Sunday 16th May 1943, by a parachute mine which landed in the front garden of 88/90 Atkinson Road, near the junction with Rosedale Terrace. These house were demolished along togther with 84 and 86. Ten people were killed including Robert Goldsmith (54) of Maud Street. Stan Mapstone -----Original Message----- From: alan-vickers@lineone.net <alan-vickers@lineone.net> To: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 1 Dec 2009 9:25 Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Sunderland Nursing Homes - Maybe? Two houses in Maud Street were hit by a bomb, I think that they were Nos 2 & 4. The houses were rebuilt about 1949. A number of nearby houses were also demolished with a number of people killed and there was much surrounding blast damage, including to our own home. Alan Vickers. Fun games for all the family from Tiscali Play - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/play ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Thank you, listers, for your efforts to shed light on my suspected Maud St. nursing home. Nothing 100% proven, but looking very unlikely. But whether or no, a great bonus was the reference to the North-East War Diary site. What a marvelous browse! In it I discovered that my g'father's chemist shop on Roker Ave at Stansfield St missed a bomb by a few yards. My uncle, who lived over the shop, never told me that. This Sunderland site is peopled with second-milers. Bruce Dodd Ottawa, ON

Just going by the sites I posted Stan it gives both Azalea Tce. South and numbers 10, 12 & 14 Azalea Avenue. The other web site I posted (GENUKI web page) "Civilian War Dead Roll Of Honour", for Northumberland, Durham and Yorkshire, compiled by Brian Pears also states # Suffield, Jean Marian - 15 yrs - 16 May 1943 - 10 Azalea Ave, Sunderland, DUR - 193 # Suffield, Lucy (FG) - 51 yrs - 16 May 1943 - 10 Azalea Ave, Sunderland, DUR - 193 Best regards Heather Carbis Online Parish Clerk for Morvah Cornwall http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~morvah Visit my Family Tree's atGOODWIN and GORDON http://heatherac.tribalpages.comCARBIS SPARROW ATTWOOLL http://carbissparrow.tribalpages.comJOLLIFFE MOULAND http://jolliffemouland.tribalpages.com --- On Sun, 29/11/09, Stan Mapstone <stanmapstone@aol.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Sunderland Nursing Homes - Maybe? To: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND@rootsweb.com According to "Sunderland's Blitz" it was not 10 Azelia Avenue,  it was 10 Azelia Terrace South. Stan Mapstone -----Original Message----- From: Heather <heatherachere@yahoo.co.uk> To: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:37 Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Sunderland Nursing Homes - Maybe? I think this is the right Azalea Avenue (Sunderland being such a large place, and not having a first hand knowledge of the area) If it is, then it was bombed on 16th May, 1943 along with numbers 10 and 12.  There is an article about the raid on this web page http://www.bpears.org.uk/NE-Diary/Inc/ISeq_33.html (This site is worth a browse through) The names of the residents that lost their lives during this raid can be found on the GENUKI page "Civilian War Dead Roll Of Honour", for Northumberland, Durham and Yorkshire, compiled by Brian Pears. http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/Indexes/NE_WarDead/index.html At number 10 - Jean Marian SUFFIELD, age 15, Lucy SUFFIELD, age 51 At number 12 -  Elsie Gertrude SALTER, age 55 and Leonard Jeffries SALTER, aged 80  Best regards Heather Carbis

I think this is the right Azalea Avenue (Sunderland being such a large place, and not having a first hand knowledge of the area) If it is, then it was bombed on 16th May, 1943 along with numbers 10 and 12. There is an article about the raid on this web page http://www.bpears.org.uk/NE-Diary/Inc/ISeq_33.html (This site is worth a browse through) The names of the residents that lost their lives during this raid can be found on the GENUKI page "Civilian War Dead Roll Of Honour", for Northumberland, Durham and Yorkshire, compiled by Brian Pears. http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/Indexes/NE_WarDead/index.html At number 10 - Jean Marian SUFFIELD, age 15, Lucy SUFFIELD, age 51 At number 12 - Elsie Gertrude SALTER, age 55 and Leonard Jeffries SALTER, aged 80 Best regards Heather Carbis Online Parish Clerk for Morvah Cornwall http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~morvah Visit my Family Tree's at GOODWIN and GORDON http://heatherac.tribalpages.com CARBIS SPARROW ATTWOOLL http://carbissparrow.tribalpages.com JOLLIFFE MOULAND http://jolliffemouland.tribalpages.com -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Dodd <bmdodd@rogers.com> To: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 3:26 Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Sunderland Nursing Homes - Maybe? Hi, Listers: A Lister sent me recently a brief printed bio of my grandfather which mentioned that he had died (in 1925) at 14 Azalia Avenue.  I was surprised, for he had lived for many years on Ashbrooke Terrace.  I have since noticed that another relative in my database was born three months later "at a Nursing Home at 14 Azalia Ave." Aha!  A nursing home!  Penny drops. My other grandmother died, according to The Echo's notice, at 18 Maud St., Fulwell, Sunderland - not her regular address.  One of her sisters-in-law died at the same address.  Could that, too, have been a nursing home of some sort? Can any Lister shed light on either of those addresses, please? And should I have been able to find out for myself on the web, without bothering the Listers?  If so, how, please? Bruce Dodd, Ottawa, ON

Does anyone know more about the Workhouses serving Monkwearmouth. I know that there were two: one on Cage Hill (approximately the site of the later Dame Dorothy Street) which was eventually submerged by ballast dumping, and also a workhouse off Portobello Lane. I understand that the Cage Hill workhouse was built c. 1780 but know little more. Any help appreciated Many thanks Rob

According to "Sunderland's Blitz" it was not 10 Azelia Avenue, it was 10 Azelia Terrace South. Stan Mapstone -----Original Message----- From: Heather <heatherachere@yahoo.co.uk> To: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 17:37 Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Sunderland Nursing Homes - Maybe? I think this is the right Azalea Avenue (Sunderland being such a large place, and not having a first hand knowledge of the area) If it is, then it was bombed on 16th May, 1943 along with numbers 10 and 12. There is an article about the raid on this web page http://www.bpears.org.uk/NE-Diary/Inc/ISeq_33.html (This site is worth a browse through) The names of the residents that lost their lives during this raid can be found on the GENUKI page "Civilian War Dead Roll Of Honour", for Northumberland, Durham and Yorkshire, compiled by Brian Pears. http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/Indexes/NE_WarDead/index.html At number 10 - Jean Marian SUFFIELD, age 15, Lucy SUFFIELD, age 51 At number 12 - Elsie Gertrude SALTER, age 55 and Leonard Jeffries SALTER, aged 80 Best regards Heather Carbis Online Parish Clerk for Morvah Cornwall http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~morvah Visit my Family Tree's at GOODWIN and GORDON http://heatherac.tribalpages.com CARBIS SPARROW ATTWOOLL http://carbissparrow.tribalpages.com JOLLIFFE MOULAND http://jolliffemouland.tribalpages.com -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Dodd <bmdodd@rogers.com> To: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 3:26 Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Sunderland Nursing Homes - Maybe? Hi, Listers: A Lister sent me recently a brief printed bio of my grandfather which mentioned that he had died (in 1925) at 14 Azalia Avenue. I was surprised, for he had lived for many years on Ashbrooke Terrace. I have since noticed that another relative in my database was born three months later "at a Nursing Home at 14 Azalia Ave." Aha! A nursing home! Penny drops. My other grandmother died, according to The Echo's notice, at 18 Maud St., Fulwell, Sunderland - not her regular address. One of her sisters-in-law died at the same address. Could that, too, have been a nursing home of some sort? Can any Lister shed light on either of those addresses, please? And should I have been able to find out for myself on the web, without bothering the Listers? If so, how, please? Bruce Dodd, Ottawa, ON ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Bruce - 18 Maud Street, Fulwell, is a conventional 2 up/ 2 down terraced house very close to where I live. I would have thought that it was unlikely to have been a nursing home. I do have the name of the person living there in 1915/1916 taken from a directory if that helps. Alan Vickers. The latest news as it happens - http://www.tiscali.co.uk/news

These links will give you 'bird's eye views 14 Azelia Avenue http://tinyurl.com/y8hpy8w 18 Maud Street http://tinyurl.com/yzz7czz Stan Mapstone -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Dodd <bmdodd@rogers.com> To: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 29 Nov 2009 3:26 Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Sunderland Nursing Homes - Maybe? Hi, Listers: A Lister sent me recently a brief printed bio of my grandfather which mentioned that he had died (in 1925) at 14 Azalia Avenue. I was surprised, for he had lived for many years on Ashbrooke Terrace. I have since noticed that another relative in my database was born three months later "at a Nursing Home at 14 Azalia Ave." Aha! A nursing home! Penny drops. My other grandmother died, according to The Echo's notice, at 18 Maud St., Fulwell, Sunderland - not her regular address. One of her sisters-in-law died at the same address. Could that, too, have been a nursing home of some sort? Can any Lister shed light on either of those addresses, please? And should I have been able to find out for myself on the web, without bothering the Listers? If so, how, please? Bruce Dodd, Ottawa, ON ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi, Listers: A Lister sent me recently a brief printed bio of my grandfather which mentioned that he had died (in 1925) at 14 Azalia Avenue. I was surprised, for he had lived for many years on Ashbrooke Terrace. I have since noticed that another relative in my database was born three months later "at a Nursing Home at 14 Azalia Ave." Aha! A nursing home! Penny drops. My other grandmother died, according to The Echo's notice, at 18 Maud St., Fulwell, Sunderland - not her regular address. One of her sisters-in-law died at the same address. Could that, too, have been a nursing home of some sort? Can any Lister shed light on either of those addresses, please? And should I have been able to find out for myself on the web, without bothering the Listers? If so, how, please? Bruce Dodd, Ottawa, ON

Maybe someone can answer this query. I have ancestors in the 1851 Census Westoe Durham St Stephens district, Heugh Street, David and Mary Ann Irving 5 children, monther-in-law, and g.daughter.  Now I cannot find them in the 1861 census, tried searching their neighbours in the 1861 census and cannot trace them either. Is there a missing district here or page, I have found the children on later census, but not in Westoe, one in South Shields, gloucestershire, one in New Zealand, the other two I think I have as well. Where is David and Mary Ann, Catherine Oldham died, have a death certificate, not sure if this is right, and g.daughter nowhere to be found, even a birth.  Any suggestions Valerie Wilson

Thanks Stan for your very helpful replies Rob

Hello, My great grandfather Robert Gamsby Etheridge was at 15 Lisburn Terrace in 1911. He is recorded as a bottle blower. I wondered if someone could tell what glass works in the area were still in operation in 1911, and also whether there is likely to be any way to trace which works he worked in? I also have seen references to a view of Ayres Quay bottle works, and also a birds eye engraving of Hartleys Wear glass works. Can anyone send me a link to view either of these please? Thanks for your help, Regards, Mark Etheridge Researching ETHERIDGE, STORES, ADAMSON, HOGARTH, GAMSBY, REMMER in Sunderland area.

Hello, My great grandfather Robert Gamsby Etheridge was at 15 Lisburn Terrace in 1911. He is recorded as a bottle blower. I wondered if someone could tell what glass works in the area were still in operation in 1911, and also whether there is likely to be any way to trace which works he worked in? I also have seen references to a view of Ayres Quay bottle works, and also a birds eye engraving of Hartleys Wear glass works. Can anyone send me a link to view either of these please? Thanks for your help, Regards, Mark Etheridge Researching ETHERIDGE, STORES, ADAMSON, HOGARTH, GAMSBY, REMMER in Sunderland area.