Thank you Stan & Graham will try there. I didn't have Isabella's death, thank you Janis, not sure now about the Ann Levingston LUCKLY, my Ann's mother was Euphemia & in 1852 she married Robert COLLINS, Ann then turns up as Ann Luckley COLLINS, I can't be sure Robert was the biological father, I will send off for cert quoting both with the proviso mothers name was Euphemia, On the IGI Mormons site Matthew is noted as born in Monkwearmouth birth & marriage I think, thank you again for your help, Regards Ken Peterson

You can order the certificate here http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/ Stan On 28 January 2010 18:47, Ken Peterson <k.peterson@ntlworld.com> wrote: > I am trying to find where I can find the birth cert for my great > grandmother Ann LUCKLEY, I have her as being registered at Castle Ward > Northumberland which I now believe is no longer in existence, in the March Q > of 1851. > On the 1851 census aged 1 month she is living in Sunderland with her > mother. > Would anybody know where I should send now please to obtain this record. > I may be on the wrong site for Castle ward but with her living so soon in > Sunderland I thought there might be a chance. > Regards > Ken Peterson > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Stan Mapstone

What about the Ann Levingston Luckly registered 1851 Mar Q Sunderland 24 366? Seems more likely for a Bishopwearmouth birth Janis

Hi Stan Unfortunately I don't have any other information to post regarding Sunderland Ambulance Service. I'm wondering what role the St. Johns Ambulance Association may have played in the early days; certainly they were involved with patient care and transport during the First World War. Maybe a lister may have more about the local branches of the Association and Brigade they can share. Rob

I am trying to find where I can find the birth cert for my great grandmother Ann LUCKLEY, I have her as being registered at Castle Ward Northumberland which I now believe is no longer in existence, in the March Q of 1851. On the 1851 census aged 1 month she is living in Sunderland with her mother. Would anybody know where I should send now please to obtain this record. I may be on the wrong site for Castle ward but with her living so soon in Sunderland I thought there might be a chance. Regards Ken Peterson

Many thanks for all the very helpful replies Rob

Hi Rob, Did you get any replies, amongst all the ones you got, about the ambulance service ? As there may be other people who are interested. Stan Mapstone -----Original Message----- From: ROB SHEPHERD <robshepherd1974@googlemail.com> To: eng-dur-sunderland@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, Jan 26, 2010 5:41 pm Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Sunderland Police, Fire Brigade and Ambulance Service Many thanks for all the very helpful replies Rob ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Complicated Stan so i will try and explain but the surname is Phillips In 1901 James Phillips born 1885 was in a reform school and his parents James born between 1846 -1852 ( another puzzle )and Ann were given on the reform school records as being at 7 Malings Rig James was admitted on the 12th March 1901 according to the records James had siblings John circa 1882 and Robert Henry circa 1890 plus Julia circa 1883 I tried to find the family in 1901 ,found Julia elsewhere and then the reference below 1901 census Source Citation: Class: RG13; Piece: 4720; Folio: 25; Page: 41 which is 7 Malings Rig James Philips Head 70 born about 1831 Male Sunderland , Dan Philips Son 40 born about 1861 Male Sunderland ,John Philips Grandson 19 born about 1882 Male Sunderland Robert H Philips Grandson 9 born about 1892 Male Sunderland Now the John and Robert certainly fit with James siblings but their father was James (1846 to 1852) ( could the Dan on the image could be James ) But the father of James was John and he died in 1879 -have the cert on that one Then a cousin had looked at electoral rolls a while ago and found James Phillips at 7 Malings Rig on the 1913/14 electoral roll -at the time she thought it was James born 1885 but was wondering if there was any way to find out which James was which ! Cheers Pat Phillips ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Mapstone To: Pat & Derek Cc: Sunderland List Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Electoral Rolls Electoral Rolls only show those people that can vote, which is usually the male head of the house hold, at that time. Electoral Rolls were not indexed by name, you need to know the address before you can find someone. This arrangement is a major drawback for the genealogist. Who are you looking for in Maling's Rigg? On 23 January 2010 10:06, Pat & Derek <patphillips@optusnet.com.au> wrote: Could anyone please tell me how much information is found in the electoral rolls Do they show age ,employment etc or is it simply names only Also are the indexed by address or by name -could I ask as well is there any way of checking an address on the 1911 census rather than a name I have tried looking for Malings Rig to no avail -any ideas please Cheers Pat Phillips ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -- Stan Mapstone

Could anyone please tell me how much information is found in the electoral rolls Do they show age ,employment etc or is it simply names only Also are the indexed by address or by name -could I ask as well is there any way of checking an address on the 1911 census rather than a name I have tried looking for Malings Rig to no avail -any ideas please Cheers Pat Phillips

If anyone wants the email address of the guy that does the history of Sunderland police -Harry Wynne - i can send it off list He very kindly found my Grandfather William Overend police record his era was early 1900's Cheers Pat Phillips ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Mapstone" <stanmapstone@googlemail.com> To: <eng-dur-sunderland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 23, 2010 7:48 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Sunderland Police,Fire Brigade and Ambulance Services > My great great grandfather Wake Paxton was one of the first constables, > and > was appointed a sergeant on 15th Jan. 1838. > > On 22 January 2010 23:05, ROB SHEPHERD > <robshepherd1974@googlemail.com>wrote: > >> Can anyone tell me when Sunderland established its own police, fire >> brigade >> and ambulance services? >> >> Am I right in thinking that Sunderland had a combined police fire >> brigade? >> >> Were the fire brigade responsible for ambulance services? >> >> Many thanks >> >> Rob >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > -- > Stan Mapstone > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Electoral Rolls only show those people that can vote, which is usually the male head of the house hold, at that time. Electoral Rolls were not indexed by name, you need to know the address before you can find someone. This arrangement is a major drawback for the genealogist. Who are you looking for in Maling's Rigg? On 23 January 2010 10:06, Pat & Derek <patphillips@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > Could anyone please tell me how much information is found in the electoral > rolls > Do they show age ,employment etc or is it simply names only > Also are the indexed by address or by name -could I ask as well is there > any way of checking an address on the 1911 census rather than a name > I have tried looking for Malings Rig to no avail -any ideas please > Cheers Pat Phillips > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Stan Mapstone

There are three books about Sunderland Police; "History of the Sunderland Borough Police", by J.Conlin. "Back on the Borough Beat", by J. Yearnshire. "Sentinels of the Wear", history of Sunderland's River Police, by N.W. Mearns. I tried to contact Harry Wynne some time ago without success, I got my great great grandfather's details from the Tyne and Wear Archives. Harry Wynne is the Historical Information Officer and Editor of the North East Police History Society http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/nepolicehistory/they have a message board which does not appear to be very active, the last message was in July 2008. You can contact them see http://www.communigate.co.uk/ne/nepolicehistory/mailform.phtml Stan Mapstone.

My great great grandfather Wake Paxton was one of the first constables, and was appointed a sergeant on 15th Jan. 1838. On 22 January 2010 23:05, ROB SHEPHERD <robshepherd1974@googlemail.com>wrote: > Can anyone tell me when Sunderland established its own police, fire brigade > and ambulance services? > > Am I right in thinking that Sunderland had a combined police fire brigade? > > Were the fire brigade responsible for ambulance services? > > Many thanks > > Rob > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Stan Mapstone

Sunderland Borough Police's first day of duty was 14th November 1837, and the fire brigade was part of the police. In December 1898, the Town Council decided to put the Fire Brigade on a strong footing, and, when re-organised would consist of a Superintendent, Engineer and six firemen as permanent staff and 22 police constables as auxiliary firemen. The Chief Officer, a Superintendent, would receive £3 per week with an allowance of ten shillings for rent. That month Mr Thomas Breaks, aged 38, was appointed Superintendent of the Brigade from a total of 47 applicants. Superintendent Breaks was the first Superintendent to be appointed to have sole responsibility of the Fire Brigade, his predecessors were appointed as Superintendents of Police, part of their duty being to oversee the running of the Fire Brigade. The Fire Brigade was run by the police, at that time the Chief Constable was William Carter. The Fire Station, together with the Police Court buildings were new buildings built on an awkwardly shaped site between Gill Bridge Avenue and Dun Cow Street, off High Street West. The Police Court & Quarter Sessions building was opened in 1907 and the Fire Station in 1908. On 22 January 2010 23:05, ROB SHEPHERD <robshepherd1974@googlemail.com>wrote: > Can anyone tell me when Sunderland established its own police, fire brigade > and ambulance services? > > Am I right in thinking that Sunderland had a combined police fire brigade? > > Were the fire brigade responsible for ambulance services? > > Many thanks > > Rob > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- Stan Mapstone

Can anyone tell me when Sunderland established its own police, fire brigade and ambulance services? Am I right in thinking that Sunderland had a combined police fire brigade? Were the fire brigade responsible for ambulance services? Many thanks Rob

Hello Heather, Thank you for putting this site up again, it really doesn't hurt to repeat a site address. Although I went through the Archives when I first joined this site I may not have realized at the time that Cholera in Sunderland may have affected my family from Monkwearmouth. (still may not have) but it all adds up to knowing what our relatives had to live through. Kind regards Jan Peasnell On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 7:01 PM, <eng-dur-sunderland-request@rootsweb.com>wrote: > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Book - Cholera Outbreak 1831 (Heather) > 2. Re: Book - Cholera Outbreak 1831 (Stan Mapstone) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Heather <heatherachere@yahoo.co.uk> > To: eng-dur-sunderland-l@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 20:05:39 +0000 (GMT) > Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Book - Cholera Outbreak 1831 > Sorry if this has appeared before, but I have found an online book about > the cholera outbreak in Sunderland of 1831. > > Hyperanthraxis; or, The cholera of Sunderland By William Reid Clanny > published 1832 > > > http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Sty7HAZFsugC&printsec=frontcover&dq=sunderland&lr=&as_drrb_is=b&as_minm_is=1&as_miny_is=1600&as_maxm_is=12&as_maxy_is=1920&num=20&as_brr=1&cd=6#v=onepage&q=&f=false > > It includes an account of the symptoms and treatment of a William Sproat, > aged 60 years, a keelman employed at the Pier..... He lived at the Fish > Quay, near the river. His treatment included, opium, effervescing mixture, > sago and wine, bolus of calomel (I think that is mercury based!) castor oil, > brandy and wine, a blister to the epigastrium (upper part of the stomach), > hot bricks to the feet and an enema of tincture of opium with starch. > William did not survive! > > The account then goes on to cover William Sproat junior and Margaret > Sproat, aged 10 years, Eliza Turnball, a nurse at the Infirmary, Robert > Roddenbury aged 35, Thomas Wilson a keelman aged 51. > > It also tells that the outbreak only appeared to be in certain streets and > lanes to begin, Fish Landing, Long Bank, Silver Street, High Street, > Burleigh Street, Mill Hill, Sailors Alley, Love Lane, Wood Street, Warren > Street, along with several lanes in Bishopwearmouth, the New Town, Ayre's > Quay, and Monkwearmouth several lanes by the river. > > I'm just under half way through it and find it a fascinating, informative > read. > > Best regards > Heather Carbis > > > > Online Parish Clerk for Morvah Cornwall > http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~morvah<http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Emorvah> > and Padstow (web site pending) > > Visit my Family Tree's at > GOODWIN and GORDON http://heatherac.tribalpages.com > CARBIS SPARROW ATTWOOLL http://carbissparrow.tribalpages.com > JOLLIFFE MOULAND http://jolliffemouland.tribalpages.com > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: Stan Mapstone <stanmapstone@aol.com> > To: eng-dur-sunderland-l@rootsweb.com > Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2010 16:27:13 -0500 > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Book - Cholera Outbreak 1831 > > > Hi Heather, > It has been posted before > > http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/eng-dur-sunderland/2008-08/1218117462 > > > > Stan Mapstone > > > > > > > > > > To contact the ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND list administrator, send an email to > ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-admin@rootsweb.com. > > To post a message to the ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND mailing list, send an email to > ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND@rootsweb.com. > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > >

Apparently the second volume of the history of Sunderland, "Sunderland Building a City" is due for launch in spring 2010. The first volume "Sunderland and its Origins: Monks to Mariners", by Maureen M Meikle and Christine M Newman was published in 2008. Stan Mapstone

Sorry if this has appeared before, but I have found an online book about the cholera outbreak in Sunderland of 1831. Hyperanthraxis; or, The cholera of Sunderland By William Reid Clanny published 1832 http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Sty7HAZFsugC&printsec=frontcover&dq=sunderland&lr=&as_drrb_is=b&as_minm_is=1&as_miny_is=1600&as_maxm_is=12&as_maxy_is=1920&num=20&as_brr=1&cd=6#v=onepage&q=&f=false It includes an account of the symptoms and treatment of a William Sproat, aged 60 years, a keelman employed at the Pier..... He lived at the Fish Quay, near the river.   His treatment included, opium, effervescing mixture, sago and wine, bolus of calomel (I think that is mercury based!) castor oil, brandy and wine, a blister to the epigastrium (upper part of the stomach), hot bricks to the feet and an enema of tincture of opium with starch.  William did not survive! The account then goes on to cover William Sproat junior and Margaret Sproat, aged 10 years, Eliza Turnball, a nurse at the Infirmary, Robert Roddenbury aged 35, Thomas Wilson a keelman aged 51. It also tells that the outbreak only appeared to be in certain streets and lanes to begin, Fish Landing, Long Bank, Silver Street, High Street, Burleigh Street, Mill Hill, Sailors Alley, Love Lane, Wood Street, Warren Street, along with several lanes in Bishopwearmouth, the New Town, Ayre's Quay, and Monkwearmouth several lanes by the river. I'm just under half way through it and find it a fascinating, informative read. Best regards Heather Carbis Online Parish Clerk for Morvah Cornwall http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~morvah and Padstow (web site pending) Visit my Family Tree's at GOODWIN and GORDON http://heatherac.tribalpages.com CARBIS SPARROW ATTWOOLL http://carbissparrow.tribalpages.com JOLLIFFE MOULAND http://jolliffemouland.tribalpages.com

Hi Heather, It has been posted before http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/eng-dur-sunderland/2008-08/1218117462 Stan Mapstone

Thank you for that extra information Stan. Best regards Heather Carbis Online Parish Clerk for Morvah Cornwall http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~morvah and Padstow (web site pending) Visit my Family Tree's at GOODWIN and GORDON http://heatherac.tribalpages.com CARBIS SPARROW ATTWOOLL http://carbissparrow.tribalpages.com JOLLIFFE MOULAND http://jolliffemouland.tribalpages.com --- On Tue, 12/1/10, Stan Mapstone <stanmapstone@googlemail.com> wrote: > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Victoria Hall Disaster Fund > The establishment of a convalescent home > was proposed at the first meeting of the Disaster Fund > Committee on June 21st 1883, by James Laing, and the motion > that a convalescent home mainly for children, be endowed and > established was unanimously carried. > > > Stan mapstone > > 2010/1/12 Heather <heatherachere@yahoo.co.uk> > > Hi Rob > > > > Just a snippet about the Victoria Hall Disaster Fund that I > picked up a little while ago whilst searching the National > Archives site... > > > > Sunderland Royal Infirmary persuaded the Victoria Hall > Disaster Fund to fund the establishment of Heatherdene > convalescent home in Harrogate. It was at first principally > for children (and some women) but later extended for adult > convalescents. It was used as a military hospital 1914-1919 > > > > > Just found the page for you > > http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/hospitalrecords/details.asp?id=1308&hospi > > > > Best regards > > Heather Carbis > > > > >