Sorry my note should have read 18402-1850's so reading Stan's note -thanks Stan -most baptisms would probably have been St Marys Cheers Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: ADRABBOTT@aol.com To: stanmapstone@googlemail.com ; patphillips@optusnet.com.au Cc: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Catholic Churches Just last week I received a marriage certificate for a couple married at St. Hilda's Catholic Church Southwick in 1924. Adrian

St. Hilda's was not built until the early 20th century. St. Hilda's School was built in 1904 Stan On 13 February 2010 22:46, <ADRABBOTT@aol.com> wrote: > Just last week I received a marriage certificate for a couple married at > St. Hilda's Catholic Church Southwick in 1924. > > Adrian >

Hi Everyone Could anyone tell me please where there might have been Catholic churches at Monkwearmouth in the 1840-1980's Have some family baptized at St Marys ( Bridge Street ) but they seemed to live Monkwearmouth or Southwick ? Seemingly Sunderland library's records are incomplete or they were according to a friends looking at the same family Cheers Pat >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

St Benet's RC Church, Monkwearmouth - a school chapel was built in 1851 at The Causeway, the first parish priest was appointed in 1865 and the new St Benet's Church was built there in 1889. You can find the history on the church website at www.stbenetsparish. org.uk. Alan Vickers.

*St. Benet’s*, (St. Benet Biscop) The Causeway, Monkwearmouth,but the foundation stone was only laid on 28th July 1888, and completed in July 1889. The mission was founded in 1865, and up to the erection of the church, the schools were utilised as a chapel. Stan On 13 February 2010 21:59, Pat & Derek <patphillips@optusnet.com.au> wrote: > Hi Everyone > Could anyone tell me please where there might have been Catholic churches > at > Monkwearmouth in the 1840-1980's > Have some family baptized at St Marys ( Bridge Street ) but they seemed to > live Monkwearmouth or Southwick ? > Seemingly Sunderland library's records are incomplete or they were > according > to a friends looking at the same family > Cheers Pat > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------- > >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > >> ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >> > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The Workmen's Hall in Whitburn Street/Calver Street, was erected by public subscription in 1868. It had on the ground floor reading rooms, class and club rooms, smoking, billiared, and bagatelle rooms and apartments for a housekeeper. On the first floor was a large hall, capable of seating about 880 persons, and a smaller room to seat 180 persons. >From Kelly's 1890 Directory of Durham www.historicaldirectories.org, always a good source of information. Go to http://gis.durham.gov.uk/website/interMAP/viewer.htm and put the coords 439865, 557910 in search and it will centre the map on the location Stan On 13 February 2010 18:58, ROB SHEPHERD <robshepherd1974@googlemail.com>wrote: > Where was Monkwearmouths Workingmens Hall? I believe opened in 1873. > > Thanks > > Rob > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Where was Monkwearmouths Workingmens Hall? I believe opened in 1873. Thanks Rob

Just last week I received a marriage certificate for a couple married at St. Hilda's Catholic Church Southwick in 1924. Adrian

Why do you think this Margaret Taylor is Margaret McLaren? Stan On 12 February 2010 16:24, tom stevenson <t.stevenson1@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Hello everyone, I have a bit of a puzzle here. I have a Margaret Taylor, > age 15, living in the household of a Rev. Charles Johnson and his family in > Bishopwearmouth during the 1841 census as a domestic. I believe her maiden > name was Mclaren and was using the name of her husband, William Taylor, even > though the marriage was not reg. until the last quarter of 1842. William > lived in Monkwearmouth with his brothers during this time. Margaret's mother > had recently remarried to a John Graham, a blacksmith, and lived in town > with Margaret's siblings, Henery, George, and Catherine. Perhaps Margaret > didn't take to her stepfather. I know that Rev. Johnson precided over > Hamilton Street Church at the time. Any thoughts? > > P.S. > > William's mother was named Mary Johnson. > > Cheers. > > Tom. > > _________________________________________________________________ > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Bill, Do you know when and where they married? It is possible Mary was married before. Just looking at their ages and the ages of the children. The birth certificates would have her maiden name, the marriage would have her current married name with father's name (that should be her maiden name or born name). Luckily Francis has a less usual occupation of butcher and father possibly Matthew. In the 1851 census HO107/2397 folio 97 page 5 Francis has a lodger there--Thomas Nell. There is a marriage in St. John the Baptist in 1846 of a Francis Lambert and Mary Nell with the other name Tatter. There is a marriage of Thomas Nell and Mary Tatten in Sunderland 28 Oct 1826. There is a burial of Thomas Nell in 1831 Sunderland. So your mystery name most likely is either Tatten or Tatter. The 1841 census has Mary Nell with most likely her mother Sarah Tatten HO107/321/2 folio 7 page 10, children Thomas Nell and Elizabeth Nell are their also. Janis

Hello everyone, I have a bit of a puzzle here. I have a Margaret Taylor, age 15, living in the household of a Rev. Charles Johnson and his family in Bishopwearmouth during the 1841 census as a domestic. I believe her maiden name was Mclaren and was using the name of her husband, William Taylor, even though the marriage was not reg. until the last quarter of 1842. William lived in Monkwearmouth with his brothers during this time. Margaret's mother had recently remarried to a John Graham, a blacksmith, and lived in town with Margaret's siblings, Henery, George, and Catherine. Perhaps Margaret didn't take to her stepfather. I know that Rev. Johnson precided over Hamilton Street Church at the time. Any thoughts? P.S. William's mother was named Mary Johnson. Cheers. Tom. _________________________________________________________________

Thank you for your help and suggestions. I have now looked at the bmd registers but have not found anything. But good for other people too! I will try the Sunderland Muster Role Fund to see if there is a record of any help given to the widow or any other information about the family. Any other suggestions gratefully received. Judy

Hi all On the subject of Seaman etc seemingly the link below has some options its from another list and have not used the link yet (Well worth checking for unusual events: events at sea, abroad or non conformist ceremonies.) http://www.bmdregisters.co.uk On the subject of Ancestry having records for Sunderland -Northumberland I have had a email from them saying they will try to rectify the problem But then I found they have records Sunderland Tyne & Wear -Northumberland oh the joys of research eh Cheers Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Mapstone" <stanmapstone@googlemail.com> To: "eng-dur-sunderland" <eng-dur-sunderland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 11, 2010 2:24 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Sailings between Sunderland & Kent > There was the Muster Roll Fund to which all seamen had long been required > by > law to contribute 6d a month from their wages. This appears to be the same > as the Merchant Seamen's Fund that was created in the reign of George II > (1746-47). > > *"The Sunderland Aged Merchant Seamen's Homes and Distressed Mariners > Fund*: (Registered > in England & Wales as charity no. 230292) In the year 1747, an Act of > Parliament was passed, entitled, “An Act for the relief and support of > maimed and disabled seamen, and the widows, and children of such as shall > be > slain, or drowned in the Merchant Service.” > http://trinityhousenewcastle.org.uk/charity.asp > > Were the widows paid anything from back wages etc. - would there be a > record >> of that anywhere. >> >> Judy >> >> > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

There was the Muster Roll Fund to which all seamen had long been required by law to contribute 6d a month from their wages. This appears to be the same as the Merchant Seamen's Fund that was created in the reign of George II (1746-47). *"The Sunderland Aged Merchant Seamen's Homes and Distressed Mariners Fund*: (Registered in England & Wales as charity no. 230292) In the year 1747, an Act of Parliament was passed, entitled, “An Act for the relief and support of maimed and disabled seamen, and the widows, and children of such as shall be slain, or drowned in the Merchant Service.” http://trinityhousenewcastle.org.uk/charity.asp Were the widows paid anything from back wages etc. - would there be a record > of that anywhere. > > Judy > >

Between 1827 and 1829, 107 ships from Sunderland were lost, and between 1833 and 1835, 124 went down. These losses were from a total of about 600 ships belonging to the port. Being a seaman was much more dangerous than being a miner, especially in the early years of the nineteenth century, when the overloading of ships was common. Stan

Many sailings. Sunderland was a major port for the shipping of coal to probably all the ports on the east coast of England, and the Thames. Stan On 10 February 2010 13:50, Judy Jeffrey <judy@aboutappearance.co.uk> wrote: > Hello List, > > > > Does anyone know if there were regular sailings between Sunderland and any > ports in Kent please around the 1820's. If so did the ships stop off at any > other ports on the way? > > > > I have an ancestor who was a sailor/ mariner who married in Sunderland. > > His name was James Hammond. He married Ann Reay in Sunderland in 1823. I > cannot find a birth for him. > > > > They had 2 children born in Sunderland. > > James born 1823 > > Abraham born 1825 > > > > He must have died between 1825 when their last son was born and 1833 when > she got married again. I can find no death. I presume he may have died at > sea or an accident at another port. > > > > Another family historian has come to the conclusion that he was born around > the Rochester area of Kent. I am wondering if there was any connection > between ports around there and Sunderland for him to have come up to the > North East. > > Her father was a Master Mariner so there is a connection to the sea. > > > > I am at a loss with him, especially as sailors are hard to trace before > 1835. Any ideas welcomed. > > > > Judy > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hello List, Does anyone know if there were regular sailings between Sunderland and any ports in Kent please around the 1820's. If so did the ships stop off at any other ports on the way? I have an ancestor who was a sailor/ mariner who married in Sunderland. His name was James Hammond. He married Ann Reay in Sunderland in 1823. I cannot find a birth for him. They had 2 children born in Sunderland. James born 1823 Abraham born 1825 He must have died between 1825 when their last son was born and 1833 when she got married again. I can find no death. I presume he may have died at sea or an accident at another port. Another family historian has come to the conclusion that he was born around the Rochester area of Kent. I am wondering if there was any connection between ports around there and Sunderland for him to have come up to the North East. Her father was a Master Mariner so there is a connection to the sea. I am at a loss with him, especially as sailors are hard to trace before 1835. Any ideas welcomed. Judy

Dear listers, I have discovered my g/g/grandfather who was Francis Lambert b1812 who married Mary?b1808. I have their names from my g/grandfathers birth certificate but am unable to properly decipher Mary's maiden name, it looks like it starts with Tatts** but can't be certain. Their address was 13 Wood St. Sunderland East. Would be grateful if anyone could help me determine her name. Kind regards, Bill Lambert.

Hi Bill, Do you know the approx. date of the marriage? Stan On 10 February 2010 03:15, Bill Lambert <wlambert@internode.on.net> wrote: > Dear listers, > > I have discovered my g/g/grandfather who was Francis Lambert b1812 who > married Mary?b1808. I have their names from my g/grandfathers birth > certificate but am unable to properly decipher Mary's maiden name, it looks > like it starts with Tatts** but can't be certain. Their address was 13 Wood > St. Sunderland East. > Would be grateful if anyone could help me determine her name. > > Kind regards, Bill Lambert. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Just to add that what was known as the Sans Street Chapel* was the Wesleyan Methodist Chapel, *built 1791-3, High Street/Sans Street. Stan On 7 February 2010 09:15, Stan Mapstone <stanmapstone@googlemail.com> wrote: > Roker Methodist Church and Sans Street Methodist Chapel are in completely > different parts of Sunderland. Roker is north of the river and Sans Steet > south of the river. > > **There were a number of Methodist Chapels north of the river so it is not > clear which one you mean by the Roker Methodist Church. The Assembly Rooms > in Upper Sans Street became the Pavilion Cinema in 1907, and had been used > by the Salvation Army from 1882. > > Stan Mapstone > > > On 7 February 2010 05:14, Bruce Dodd <bmdodd@rogers.com> wrote: > >> Hi, Listers >> >> I have references to Roker Methodist Church, Sunderland, and Sans Street >> Methodist Chapel (or Mission?). Are these two churches or one referred >> to in two ways? >> >> It has been suggested to me that Sans Street might have been turned >> into a cinema. Did that actually happen? >> >> Does anyone know, please? >> >> Thank you >> >> Bruce Dodd, >> Ottawa, ON >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > > > > >