Once again, many thanks indeed to Stan Mapstone, who must somehow be hard-wired to an infinity of Sunderland data. The dates of Mr Marlees` business tells me quite a few people who my mystery lady`s photo is not. Which is certainly progress of a kind. Thanks, too, for the picture of Sans Street Mission. It doesn`t look like much, does it, and the interior (I was taken there once or twice in 1951) was no jolly fun fair either. But my parents and their families used to speak of it as the centre of Sunderland. Just as Mackey`s clock was the acme of accuracy and reliability. A most marvellous thing, this list! Bruce Dodd Ottawa

Hello all, Just to let you know that there are some connection points for those of you who have Shetland ancestors who migrated to Sunderland. http://lists.rootsweb.ancestry.com/index/intl/SCT/SCT-SHETLAND.html is the Rootsweb List I administer. http://www.shetland-fhs.org.uk/ is the Shetland Family History Society (there is a NE branch) http://www.bayanne.info/Shetland/ is a comprehensive database of Shetland families Hope these links are useful, Kind regards, Chris Best (born in Sunderland with Shetland ancestors!) _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/ Do you have a story that started on Hotmail? Tell us now

Interested in the thread about Roker Farm - the Jane Lee mentioned by Rob is my wife's g-g-grandmother who moved to farm at East Farm House, Fulwell after the early death of her husband William in 1869, leaving her with 7 children. The widows were strong characters in those days - the farms had to keep going! Jane's move to Fulwell was the first time one of the Lee farming family had been north of the Wear - their normal patch was around Ryhope (and still is). William, her eldest son, my wife's gt grandfather, married Jane (Eggleston) in 1881 but died very young in 1887, at Roker Farm - of TB. So there was a second Jane Lee, also a widow, taking over in the area - by 1891 she was still farming along the road at Roker Lodge Farm. To help her run the farm and bring up her family, four of her siblings joined her from their family farm at Haverley House (Seaton). Jane (senior) lived, and farmed on until 1900 when she died aged 75. Jane (junior) married again in the summer of 1891, to William Walker who himself was a widower (to another Lee) and the two farming families joined at North Moor Farm, just south of the Wear. Roker Farm in 1901 was being farmed by Jane's brother, Joshua Eggleston. Fascinating story, that of the Durham farming families. Thanks to those on this particular thread. PS never quite got the hang of this mailing list - couldn't find how to reply direct to a thread. Any advice would be welcomed. _________________________________________________________________ http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/ We want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now

Hi Allan Have you got the marriage cert for John & Eleanor Hall that would show his fathers name and if his father was living or deceased -tracing back it would maybe give you some information on Johns parentage That way you could be certain is John senior and Eleanor Urwin plus witnesses names on certs often give clues Cheers Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Robson" <allandrobson@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2010 11:29 PM Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] John Robson Mystery Hello All Can anybody solve the following, this is a Reposting. John Robson born 1840 ish his parents appear to be John Robson born 1805 Corbridge and Eleanor Urwin born 1809 Byker, John was the 6th Child born to the above his Siblings as follows: Robert born 1827 Cramlington Jane born 1829 Walker Mary Ann born 1831 Norton Elizabeth born 1833 Norton Douglas born 1835 Newcastle John born 1840? I have all the Baptisms of the above except John 1841 Census Pemberton St, Hetton-le-Hole Eleanor age 30 Robert age 13 Mary Ann age 9 Elizabeth age 8 Douglas age 5 John age 1 Oct 1841 Margaret was born in Hetton I have birth Reg, no Baptism. Sept 1843 Armstrong Urwin born Hetton July 1846 Richard Born died in 1846 at Hetton, both Armstrong and Richard were baptised together at St Nicholas Hetton 8th July 1846, I also have there Birth Regs, still no sign of John and Margaret's Baptisms 1851 Census Neasham Sq, Sunderland John Robson age 46 Head born Corbridge Eleanor age 41 born Byker John aged 11 Born Sunderland Magaret age 10 born Sunderland ( this is wrong she was born Hetton I have birth Reg) Armstrong age 8 born Hetton Thomas age 3 Months born Sunderland, I have his Birth Reg and Baptism 1861 Census 20 Sussex St, Sunderland John Robson age 23 Seaman Born Bishopwearmouth Eleanor wife age 27 Born Sunderland Douglas age 4 Months born Sunderland John Robson age 22 Married Eleanor Ann Hall age 26 on 15th Jan 1860 in Sunderland, I think he lied about his age to marry his wife was actually 29 when they married she knocked a few years off her age. John died in May 1865 as a result of an Accident and was buried with Naval Honours. John is my direct Line, I have had all the John Robson Birth Regs checked from 1837 to 1841 he is not Registered and no luck with his baptism of him and his sister Margaret, it is a complete mystery why there is no record of him. if anyone can help or come across his birth or Baptism please let me know it has been 11 years of Searching. Many Thanks Allan Robson

Hi Martyn To reply to a thread just open a post on the thread and click "reply all". If you don't want the original poster to get two copies, such as this, just delete their emali address and leave eng-dur-sunderland@rootsweb.com Stan Mapstone -----Original Message----- From: Martyn Guy <martynguy50@hotmail.com> To: eng-dur-sunderland@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 4 May 2010 21:57 Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Roker Farm nterested in the thread about Roker Farm - the Jane Lee mentioned by Rob is my ife's g-g-grandmother who moved to farm at East Farm House, Fulwell after the arly death of her husband William in 1869, leaving her with 7 children. The idows were strong characters in those days - the farms had to keep going! ane's move to Fulwell was the first time one of the Lee farming family had been orth of the Wear - their normal patch was around Ryhope (and still is). William, her eldest son, my wife's gt grandfather, married Jane (Eggleston) in 881 but died very young in 1887, at Roker Farm - of TB. So there was a second ane Lee, also a widow, taking over in the area - by 1891 she was still farming long the road at Roker Lodge Farm. To help her run the farm and bring up her amily, four of her siblings joined her from their family farm at Haverley House Seaton). Jane (senior) lived, and farmed on until 1900 when she died aged 75. Jane junior) married again in the summer of 1891, to William Walker who himself was widower (to another Lee) and the two farming families joined at North Moor arm, just south of the Wear. Roker Farm in 1901 was being farmed by Jane's rother, Joshua Eggleston. Fascinating story, that of the Durham farming families. Thanks to those on this articular thread. PS never quite got the hang of this mailing list - couldn't find how to reply irect to a thread. Any advice would be welcomed. ________________________________________________________________ ttp://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/197222280/direct/01/ e want to hear all your funny, exciting and crazy Hotmail stories. Tell us now ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Hello All Can anybody solve the following, this is a Reposting. John Robson born 1840 ish his parents appear to be John Robson born 1805 Corbridge and Eleanor Urwin born 1809 Byker, John was the 6th Child born to the above his Siblings as follows: Robert born 1827 Cramlington Jane born 1829 Walker Mary Ann born 1831 Norton Elizabeth born 1833 Norton Douglas born 1835 Newcastle John born 1840? I have all the Baptisms of the above except John 1841 Census Pemberton St, Hetton-le-Hole Eleanor age 30 Robert age 13 Mary Ann age 9 Elizabeth age 8 Douglas age 5 John age 1 Oct 1841 Margaret was born in Hetton I have birth Reg, no Baptism. Sept 1843 Armstrong Urwin born Hetton July 1846 Richard Born died in 1846 at Hetton, both Armstrong and Richard were baptised together at St Nicholas Hetton 8th July 1846, I also have there Birth Regs, still no sign of John and Margaret's Baptisms 1851 Census Neasham Sq, Sunderland John Robson age 46 Head born Corbridge Eleanor age 41 born Byker John aged 11 Born Sunderland Magaret age 10 born Sunderland ( this is wrong she was born Hetton I have birth Reg) Armstrong age 8 born Hetton Thomas age 3 Months born Sunderland, I have his Birth Reg and Baptism 1861 Census 20 Sussex St, Sunderland John Robson age 23 Seaman Born Bishopwearmouth Eleanor wife age 27 Born Sunderland Douglas age 4 Months born Sunderland John Robson age 22 Married Eleanor Ann Hall age 26 on 15th Jan 1860 in Sunderland, I think he lied about his age to marry his wife was actually 29 when they married she knocked a few years off her age. John died in May 1865 as a result of an Accident and was buried with Naval Honours. John is my direct Line, I have had all the John Robson Birth Regs checked from 1837 to 1841 he is not Registered and no luck with his baptism of him and his sister Margaret, it is a complete mystery why there is no record of him. if anyone can help or come across his birth or Baptism please let me know it has been 11 years of Searching. Many Thanks Allan Robson

Hi Bruce, Marlee was there in the 1902 Directory but not in the 1914, or the 1890 directory Stan Mapstone On 1 May 2010 04:48, Bruce Dodd <bmdodd@rogers.com> wrote: > Hi, Listers > > I have a photo-portrait of an as-yet-unidentified young woman by H (I > think it's a very ornate H) Adolphus Marlee, of 16 Waterloo Place, > Sunderland. > > Can anyone tell me the approximate dates Mr Marlee was in business at > that address? > > Thank you all, > > Bruce Dodd, > Ottawa > (at the moment in beautiful Seneca Fall, NY, where the blossoming trees > are miles ahead, even lilac) > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi, Listers I have a photo-portrait of an as-yet-unidentified young woman by H (I think it's a very ornate H) Adolphus Marlee, of 16 Waterloo Place, Sunderland. Can anyone tell me the approximate dates Mr Marlee was in business at that address? Thank you all, Bruce Dodd, Ottawa (at the moment in beautiful Seneca Fall, NY, where the blossoming trees are miles ahead, even lilac)

Hi, Listers: A last-line question was whether there is available a picture of the Sans Street Mission. I, too, would like to find such a picture, especially of the interior, since my parents were married there in 1919. A posting earlier this year mentioned the names of the several cinemas that were later housed in the chapel. I have the gavel or mallet (not sure what such things are called) that was used to lay 'the Foundation Stones (plural) of the New Sans Street Mission Halls (plural), Aug 20th 1902.' Does anyone know whether the inscription is referring to new halls added to an old mission, or to the halls of a new mission? Took my winter tires off last week. Naturally there was snow this morning, but summer tires coped. Bruce Dodd Ottawa

Some questions over locations please Would the Waterworks Street reference is 1841 -be the street that ran off Silksworth Row ? 1841 Waterwork Street Bishopwearmouth Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 310; Book: 9; Civil Parish: Bishop Wearmouth; County: ; Enumeration District: 11; Folio: 18; Page: 30; Line: 7; GSU roll: 241353 Also Water Street -would that be in the same location 1861 12 Water Street Bishopwearmouth Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 3767; Folio: 16; Page: 31; GSU roll: 543184 Another query is would there be a photo of the Sans Street Mission Cheers for now Pat Phillips

Hi Pat, Waterworks Street in 1841 will be the later Waterworks Road which ran from Silksworth Row to Westbourne Road, part of it is still there. Water Street ran north off Waterworks Road to Railway Row, to the west of Johnson Street. You can use the map facility at http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/oswebsite/opendata/viewer/ which covers the whole of the UK down to street level. Just put Sunderland in the 'go' box. Stan Mapstone On 26 April 2010 11:59, Pat & Derek Phillips <patphillips@live.com.au> wrote: > > Some questions over locations please > Would the Waterworks Street reference is 1841 -be the street that ran off Silksworth Row ? > 1841 Waterwork Street Bishopwearmouth > > Source Citation: Class: HO107; Piece 310; Book: 9; Civil Parish: Bishop Wearmouth; County: ; > > Enumeration District: 11; Folio: 18; Page: 30; Line: 7; GSU roll: 241353 > > Also Water Street -would that be in the same location > > 1861 12 Water Street Bishopwearmouth > > Source Citation: Class: RG9; Piece: 3767; Folio: 16; Page: 31; GSU roll: 543184 > > Another query is would there be a photo of the Sans Street Mission > > Cheers for now > > Pat Phillips > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Stan, Thank you for the information. The Wearside Historic Churches Group work on the Salvation Army says that the 6th Corp Barracks was opened on 28th March 1887 in the Old Wesleyan Chapel at back Crescent Row and further mentions a Ballast Hills Barracks in 1889 which I presume to be the same. David -----Original Message----- From: Stan Mapstone [mailto:stanmapstone@googlemail.com] Sent: 12 April 2010 11:12 To: dpeters313 Cc: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Old Wesleyan Chapel Hi David, The Chapel was between Crescent Row and Back Crescent Row so will be the same one. It last appears on the 1938-1950 map at http://gis.durham.gov.uk/website/interMAP/viewer.htm In the directories it is always called the Wesleyan Methodist Chapel, right up to 1914, there is no mention of the Salvation Army. It does not appear in the 1858 Directory, so was probably built after that. There were two chapels on Crescent Row, a United Methodist Free Chapel and the Wesleyan Methodist Chapel. If you go to http://gis.durham.gov.uk/website/interMAP/viewer.htm and put the coordinates 438860, 557690 into 'search' it will centre the map on the location. Stan Mapstone On 12 April 2010 09:51, dpeters313 <dpeters313@aol.co.uk> wrote: >  Can anyone help with historical information on the Old Wesleyan Chapel at > Back Crescent Row, Deptford? Presumably King’s Hall on Crescent Row itself > replaced the Old Chapel at some point. (?) > > I understand the Old Chapel was used by the 6th Corp Salvation Army from > about 1887/1889. > > Any other information such as, exact position, other uses, closing dates, > demolition etc, would be greatly appreciated. > > Many thanks > > David Peters > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi David, The Chapel was between Crescent Row and Back Crescent Row so will be the same one. It last appears on the 1938-1950 map at http://gis.durham.gov.uk/website/interMAP/viewer.htm In the directories it is always called the Wesleyan Methodist Chapel, right up to 1914, there is no mention of the Salvation Army. It does not appear in the 1858 Directory, so was probably built after that. There were two chapels on Crescent Row, a United Methodist Free Chapel and the Wesleyan Methodist Chapel. If you go to http://gis.durham.gov.uk/website/interMAP/viewer.htm and put the coordinates 438860, 557690 into 'search' it will centre the map on the location. Stan Mapstone On 12 April 2010 09:51, dpeters313 <dpeters313@aol.co.uk> wrote: >  Can anyone help with historical information on the Old Wesleyan Chapel at > Back Crescent Row, Deptford? Presumably King’s Hall on Crescent Row itself > replaced the Old Chapel at some point. (?) > > I understand the Old Chapel was used by the 6th Corp Salvation Army from > about 1887/1889. > > Any other information such as, exact position, other uses, closing dates, > demolition etc, would be greatly appreciated. > > Many thanks > > David Peters > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

 Can anyone help with historical information on the Old Wesleyan Chapel at Back Crescent Row, Deptford? Presumably King’s Hall on Crescent Row itself replaced the Old Chapel at some point. (?) I understand the Old Chapel was used by the 6th Corp Salvation Army from about 1887/1889. Any other information such as, exact position, other uses, closing dates, demolition etc, would be greatly appreciated. Many thanks David Peters

Thanks Stan guess I will just have to keep chipping at that wall Cheers Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stan Mapstone" <stanmapstone@googlemail.com> To: "Pat & Derek Phillips" <patphillips@live.com.au> Cc: "Sunderland List" <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, April 10, 2010 10:34 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Tatham Street Industrial School > Hi Pat, > TWAS have some records for Sunderland Boys' Industrial School but not the > Girls' > > Stan Mapstone > > On 10 April 2010 13:34, Pat & Derek Phillips <patphillips@live.com.au> > wrote: >> >> Hello Everyone >> I am wondering if there is any way I could get a copy of a record for an >> inmate at the school ,1911 census shows a Margaret Dalton born >> Middlesbrough - and if i could get her record it might chip a hole in one >> of my brick walls >> Cheers Pat >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >

Hello Everyone I am wondering if there is any way I could get a copy of a record for an inmate at the school ,1911 census shows a Margaret Dalton born Middlesbrough - and if i could get her record it might chip a hole in one of my brick walls Cheers Pat

Hi Pat, TWAS have some records for Sunderland Boys' Industrial School but not the Girls' Stan Mapstone On 10 April 2010 13:34, Pat & Derek Phillips <patphillips@live.com.au> wrote: > > Hello Everyone > I am wondering if there is any way I could get a copy of a record for an inmate at the school ,1911 census shows a Margaret Dalton born Middlesbrough - and if i could get her record it might chip a hole in one of my brick walls > Cheers Pat > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Historically a Grange was an outlying farm-house with barns, etc. belonging to a religious establishment or a feudal lord, where crops and tithes in kind were stored. But it was also a repository for grain; a granary, barn. It is now applied to a country house with farm buildings attached, usually the residence of a gentleman-farmer, which is probably what the Granges in Sunderland refer to. Stan Mapstone On 2 April 2010 19:11, ROB SHEPHERD <robshepherd1974@googlemail.com> wrote: > The term Grange often refers to a monastic farming community, or a farmstead > cultivated for the benefit of a monastery, although in later years is simply > another name for a farm. > > Does anyone know if any of the granges in Sunderland had a monastic history? > > The only granges I can think of are Fulwell Grange, Hendon Grange, Ryhope > Grange, and the Blue House Grange (also in Hendon) but I don't know if any > of these have a monastic history. Of course the latter three all lay in > Bishopwearmouth where to the best of my knowledge there was no monastery, > but could these historically have provided for the church of > Bishopwearmouth? > > I'd be fascinated to hear what others may think, or to hear if there are any > other granges in Sunderland. > > Rob > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

The term Grange often refers to a monastic farming community, or a farmstead cultivated for the benefit of a monastery, although in later years is simply another name for a farm. Does anyone know if any of the granges in Sunderland had a monastic history? The only granges I can think of are Fulwell Grange, Hendon Grange, Ryhope Grange, and the Blue House Grange (also in Hendon) but I don't know if any of these have a monastic history. Of course the latter three all lay in Bishopwearmouth where to the best of my knowledge there was no monastery, but could these historically have provided for the church of Bishopwearmouth? I'd be fascinated to hear what others may think, or to hear if there are any other granges in Sunderland. Rob

Does anyone have any stories of references to former pupils at Sunderland Orphan Asylum who went on to serve at sea with distinction during any of the conflicts of the 19th and early 20th centuries? Many thanks Rob