Thanks everyone for the information - very helpful. I am researching Bagley, Barron, Crosby, Telford, Dawsey, Pullan, Park and Atkinson, if that might be of use to anyone. Regards Eileen White

Think there was a Villa 'pop ' factory there Allan - even my Aussie grandkids call soft drink pop as we do Cheers Pat Phillips -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Lemonade Factory Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 11:32:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Allan Robson <allandrobson@btinternet.com> To: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Hello All A family relative told me one of my fathers Uncles worked in Lemonade factory in Sunderland, the family itself lived in Millfield, was there a Lemonade Factory nearby? Thanks Allan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Could "Mack" be a familiar name for Mr MacLean? ..... a common nickname for a Scotsman! -----Original Message----- From: eng-dur-sunderland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-dur-sunderland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of ADRABBOTT@aol.com Sent: 28 September 2010 11:04 To: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] D.A.Maclean, Photographer I have a photograph of my mother which is on paper only sized 3 1/2 X 2 inches, the image only being 1 1/2 X 1, taken probably about 1915. On the back is printed: D.A.MACLEAN, Photographer Middlesboro', Blackpool & Mack, 12 Holmeside, Sunderland, 3798 Any ideas what or where "Mack" was, and does 3798 mean anything - it isn't a serial number because it is printed with the rest of it. On the 1911 census 12 Holmeside is a lock-up shop, no residents. Would this have been a "proof" print, from which one could select enlargements - I've never seen such a small studio picture before? Adrian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

I remember the "Villa" pop factory. It was at the corner of Wilson Street?(or the next street) and Hylton Road. Wilson Street was between Pallion Road and Rutland Street, opposite what is now part of the hospital and what was then the Cottage Homes. From the street you could see part of the bottling line and see the loading bays for the delivery lorries. I believe you could buy pop directly from the factory. Meg Hartford

Just had a look on Google Maps. There is a Villa Close off Wilson Street http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=sunderland <http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=sunderland&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear =Sunderland,+United+Kingdom&ll=54.904778,-1.409619&spn=0.001752,0.005584&t=h &z=18> &oe=UTF-8&hl=en&ie=UTF8&hq=&hnear=Sunderland,+United+Kingdom&ll=54.904778,-1 .409619&spn=0.001752,0.005584&t=h&z=18 Meg

I remember the "Villa" pop factory. It was at the corner of Wilson Street?(or the next street) and Hylton Road. Wilson Street was between Pallion Road and Rutland Street, opposite what is now part of the hospital and what was then the Cottage Homes. From the street you could see part of the bottling line and see the loading bays for the delivery lorries. I believe you could buy pop directly from the factory. Meg Hartford -----Original Message----- From: eng-dur-sunderland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-dur-sunderland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Pat Phillips Sent: 28 September 2010 12:35 To: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND@rootsweb.com Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Fwd: Lemonade Factory Think there was a Villa 'pop ' factory there Allan - even my Aussie grandkids call soft drink pop as we do Cheers Pat Phillips -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Lemonade Factory Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 11:32:48 +0000 (GMT) From: Allan Robson <allandrobson@btinternet.com> To: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Hello All A family relative told me one of my fathers Uncles worked in Lemonade factory in Sunderland, the family itself lived in Millfield, was there a Lemonade Factory nearby? Thanks Allan ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Allan, That was probably Robert Powley & Sons Ltd. in Handel Street, near Millfield Station. Other mineral water manufacturers in Sunderland were, Fenwicks, Cleggs, Lautebachs, and Robsons. Stan Mapstone On 28 September 2010 12:32, Allan Robson <allandrobson@btinternet.com> wrote: > Hello All > A family relative told me one of my fathers Uncles worked in Lemonade factory in > Sunderland, the family itself lived in Millfield, was there a Lemonade Factory > nearby? > > Thanks > Allan > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I'd like to thank Doris at John.harker for her response, reminding me that Mayfair toffees had premises on Durham Road as well as Chester Road/Low Row & for her suggestion of the Dunning Street factory. An older relative who lived in Dunning Street as a child has now told me of the sweet factory at the foot of the street and behind Vaux Brewery and remembers that the air-raid shelter for the area was in the brewery's premises, which ties in with my aunt's story. Unfortunately, like Doris' relative also, my relative cannot recall the factory's name. Thanks for helping pin down the location. Marie Kerr

Donald Maclean, Photographer, is at 12 Holmeside in the 1914 Directory Stan Mapstone On 28 September 2010 11:03, <ADRABBOTT@aol.com> wrote: > I have a photograph of my mother which is on paper only sized 3 1/2 X 2 > inches, the image only being 1 1/2 X 1, taken probably about 1915. On the back >  is printed: > > D.A.MACLEAN, Photographer > Middlesboro', Blackpool & > Mack, 12 Holmeside, Sunderland, > 3798 > > Any ideas what or where "Mack" was, and does 3798 mean anything - it isn't > a serial number because it is printed with the rest of it. On the 1911 > census 12  Holmeside is a lock-up shop, no residents. > > Would this have been a "proof" print, from which one could select > enlargements - I've never seen such a small studio picture before? > > Adrian > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Marie, having a chat with my brother in Australia about sweet factories in Sunderland ,you are right with regards the one in Low Row name Mayfair but this firm also had one also in Durham Road this building now flats My brother in his email said he remembers one in Dunning St main entrance in Matlock St , but sorry to say does not remember the name (Dunning St part still stands it is either the back of M&S or Argos ) A older friend thinks also a sweet factories some where in the east end Doris ----- Original Message ----- From: "MARIE KERR" <mariekerr315@btinternet.com> To: <eng-dur-sunderland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, September 25, 2010 10:21 PM Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Sunderland sweet factory Does anyone on the list recall the names & whereabouts of sweet factories in Sunderland? I can recall the Mayfair on the corner of Old Chester Road & Low Row near St Mary's School but my 94 yr old aunt worked at another one in the area.I remember her telling me that in WW2 they used Vaux stables as their air-raid shelter, if that helps pin it down. Thank-you, Marie Kerr ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.856 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3157 - Release Date: 09/24/10 18:16:00

Hello All A family relative told me one of my fathers Uncles worked in Lemonade factory in Sunderland, the family itself lived in Millfield, was there a Lemonade Factory nearby? Thanks Allan

In a message dated 28/09/2010 16:06:30 GMT Daylight Time, ian.hayley@btinternet.com writes: Could "Mack" be a familiar name for Mr MacLean? ..... a common nickname for a Scotsman! I think you could be right - maybe it is supposed to mean D.A.Maclean of Middlesboro and Blackpool, also another shop called "Mack" in Sunderland. I have heard that photographers were notorious for saying they were "of Paris, Vienna and Monkwearmouth" for example because it looked good and in those days nobody could disprove it. Adrian

Hi Bruce, Until the 1870 Elementary Education Act all schools were private. This Act did not make elementary education free or compulsory but it provided for the building of state schools under the direction of locally elected school boards. See http://www.eng.umu.se/education/hist17.htm Stan On 28 September 2010 03:18, Bruce Dodd <bmdodd@rogers.com> wrote: > Hi, List: > > As usual, a question to the list gets both an answer and a reply, the > latter providing various items of extra info that I hadn't thought of > asking for.  Thank you, Stan, once again.  Clearly there was no shortage > of Specialls. > > Eighty-five schools in Sunderland!  Hard to credit. Were there > insufficient "regular" schools for the demand, or were they of a low > quality that encouraged private competitors? > > The number "24  151" appears in Stan`s reply.  Assuming it couldn't be a > phone number, what might it be.? > > Thanks once again > > Bruce Dodd > Ottawa, ON > -- > I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. > We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. > SPAMfighter has removed 205 of my spam emails to date. > Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len > > The Professional version does not have this message > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

I have a photograph of my mother which is on paper only sized 3 1/2 X 2 inches, the image only being 1 1/2 X 1, taken probably about 1915. On the back is printed: D.A.MACLEAN, Photographer Middlesboro', Blackpool & Mack, 12 Holmeside, Sunderland, 3798 Any ideas what or where "Mack" was, and does 3798 mean anything - it isn't a serial number because it is printed with the rest of it. On the 1911 census 12 Holmeside is a lock-up shop, no residents. Would this have been a "proof" print, from which one could select enlargements - I've never seen such a small studio picture before? Adrian

Bruce - the number you refer to is the reference for a certificate. County Durham at that time was area 24, [later 10a] Northumberland was 25 [later 10b] and the number 151 is the page number. You need these references if you are going to order a certificate from the GRO Heather Saskatoon, Canada > The number "24 151" appears in Stan`s reply. Assuming it couldn't be a > phone number, what might it be.? >

Hi, List: As usual, a question to the list gets both an answer and a reply, the latter providing various items of extra info that I hadn't thought of asking for. Thank you, Stan, once again. Clearly there was no shortage of Specialls. Eighty-five schools in Sunderland! Hard to credit. Were there insufficient "regular" schools for the demand, or were they of a low quality that encouraged private competitors? The number "24 151" appears in Stan`s reply. Assuming it couldn't be a phone number, what might it be.? Thanks once again Bruce Dodd Ottawa, ON -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 205 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

You can see it on Google Street View at http://tinyurl.com/36a66zg Stan Mapstone On 27 September 2010 21:30, Stan Mapstone <stanmapstone@gmail.com> wrote: > It is Sunderland Moor Orphan Asylum, founded and endowed in 1853, > situated on the edge of the Town Moor, and opened 17th October 1861, > for the reception or orphan sons of seamen. Although it was called an > Orphanage, and originally founded for the sons of seafarers, it > appears to have been open to children whose father had died but whose > mother was still alive.There were only places for fifty boys, who were > allowed to visit their families once a month between 9 am. and 8 pm. > It is a now listed building see > http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=1398&lnk=160 > It was nowhere near the Empire > > Stan Mapstone > > On 27 September 2010 19:17, Eileen White <eileenhwhite@hotmail.com> wrote: >> Hi >> >> Does anyone know anything about a seafarers orphanage in Sunderland? A >> picture I have seen had a mast and rigging in front for boys to learn "the >> ropes" literally. I think it may have been somewhere behind the Empire. >> >> Many thanks Eileen White >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >

It is Sunderland Moor Orphan Asylum, founded and endowed in 1853, situated on the edge of the Town Moor, and opened 17th October 1861, for the reception or orphan sons of seamen. Although it was called an Orphanage, and originally founded for the sons of seafarers, it appears to have been open to children whose father had died but whose mother was still alive.There were only places for fifty boys, who were allowed to visit their families once a month between 9 am. and 8 pm. It is a now listed building see http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=1398&lnk=160 It was nowhere near the Empire Stan Mapstone On 27 September 2010 19:17, Eileen White <eileenhwhite@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hi > > Does anyone know anything about a seafarers orphanage in Sunderland? A > picture I have seen had a mast and rigging in front for boys to learn "the > ropes" literally. I think it may have been somewhere behind the Empire. > > Many thanks Eileen White > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Does anyone know anything about a seafarers orphanage in Sunderland? A picture I have seen had a mast and rigging in front for boys to learn "the ropes" literally. I think it may have been somewhere behind the Empire. Many thanks Eileen White

Hi Richard This has been asked before on the list, see http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/eng-dur-sunderland/2009-08/1249416163 On 25 September 2010 22:58, Richard Moss <richardamoss@lineone.net> wrote: > Whilst the sanatorium is no longer there (it's now a housing erstate),  I'd appreciate any information as to its background and history. > > Many thanks > > Richard Moss > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >