Hi, List A short time ago I asked about the Sunderland Orphanage and, as always, got several helpful replies. One of them was this, which no one mentioned re the recent question. I pass it on because it shed a different light on the orphanage. http://www.wearside-football-league.org.uk/site/site/1900s.htm Bruce Dodd Ottawa, ON -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 258 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message

Thanks Alan and Stan for the background and additional information. David

Hello Can anyone tell me where I would go to find out who the parents where of Jane Ann Stubbs b: 1861 Tynemouth, her parents where William Sparks Stubbs & Jane Bowman In the 1871 census I found them in Galashiels Scotland William worked on the Railway. Any help will be appreciated Bob

Hi Susan, I can find no listing for John Christie as a ship owner, or pawnbroker in the Sunderland Directories, nor can I find him in the 1841 and 1851 Sunderland censuses. Stan Mapstone On 1 October 2010 08:47, Stan Mapstone <stanmapstone@gmail.com> wrote: > Hi Susan, > > "Where Ships are Born" is a history of Shipbuilding on the River Wear and > not about ship owners. Just to say that in the 1851 Directory there are 349 > Shipowners listed in Sunderland, and in Christie's 1858 Shipping Register > there are 38 pages listing the ships registered in Sunderland and their > owners. > > Stan Mapstone > > > On 30 September 2010 23:18, Susan Enns <bellenns@rogers.com> wrote: > >> Alan, >> Does this book list owners and manufacturers of ships in the >> Sunderland area? >> >> I've been trying to locate more information on John CHRISTIE b. 1788, >> Sunderland and died Dec. 1858, Sunderland. He is noted as a >> Pawnbroker, Gentleman and Shipowner. An interesting combination. >> The Sunderland Library has been helpful in locating his birth and >> marriage in the Corder Manuscripts but nothing specifically relating >> to a ship. >> Regards, >> Susan Enns. >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> > >

Hi Susan, "Where Ships are Born" is a history of Shipbuilding on the River Wear and not about ship owners. Just to say that in the 1851 Directory there are 349 Shipowners listed in Sunderland, and in Christie's 1858 Shipping Register there are 38 pages listing the ships registered in Sunderland and their owners. Stan Mapstone On 30 September 2010 23:18, Susan Enns <bellenns@rogers.com> wrote: > Alan, > Does this book list owners and manufacturers of ships in the > Sunderland area? > > I've been trying to locate more information on John CHRISTIE b. 1788, > Sunderland and died Dec. 1858, Sunderland. He is noted as a > Pawnbroker, Gentleman and Shipowner. An interesting combination. > The Sunderland Library has been helpful in locating his birth and > marriage in the Corder Manuscripts but nothing specifically relating > to a ship. > Regards, > Susan Enns. > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Some background; Hugh (Hugo) MacColl, (1861-1915) started as an apprentice with Napiers, then worked for Cunard. He joined Howden (Glasgow) as chief draughtsman, then went to Spain for six years as the technical manager of Portilla White at Seville. When he returned from Spain with John Jameson as a partner he started the Wreath Quay Engineering Works, and after Jameson’s early death he formed a long term partnership with Gilbert Pollock, who took over the management after his death. The first electric cantilever crane in the north east, and probably the world, was installed at the works in 1905. The last engines by MacColl & Pollock were for five vessels in 1930 with a total of 4,900 ihp. “The prolonged period of barren years, 1931-5, in marine engineering threatened to put in jeopardy the vital skills of its work force.” “Building Ships on the North East Coast” J.F. Clarke Stan Mapstone On 30 September 2010 18:27, dpeters313 <dpeters313@aol.co.uk> wrote: > I have some brief information on engine builder McColl and Pollock at > Wreath > Quay, Southwick up until 1914. > > Can anyone tell me what happened to the firm after that date, did they > survive until the 1960's? > > I remember being taken in the 1950's to a small engineering workshop at > Southwick by a neighbour and member of the Pollock family which may have > still belonged to them. > > I dont remember where exactly but certainly not on the riverside or quay > itself.Any information would be usefull. > > Thanks, > David Peters > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

David - "Where Ships are Born" published in 1953 has the following information in it : "MacColl and Pollock, Ltd., started maring engine building at Wreath Quay on the North side of the river in 1894, under the style of Jameson and MacColl. At one time the firm employed 400 to 500 men, and before they closed down in March, 1935, they had engined 400 vessels. These included Canadian Lake steanmers, cargo boats, tugs, smalll passenger vessels, patrol gunboats in the 1914-18 war, and fast trawlers. From 1931 onwards only repair work was done, except for engining the Royal Lady pleasure steamer built by Crowns." Alan Vickers.

I have some brief information on engine builder McColl and Pollock at Wreath Quay, Southwick up until 1914. Can anyone tell me what happened to the firm after that date, did they survive until the 1960's? I remember being taken in the 1950's to a small engineering workshop at Southwick by a neighbour and member of the Pollock family which may have still belonged to them. I dont remember where exactly but certainly not on the riverside or quay itself.Any information would be usefull. Thanks, David Peters

Alan, Does this book list owners and manufacturers of ships in the Sunderland area? I've been trying to locate more information on John CHRISTIE b. 1788, Sunderland and died Dec. 1858, Sunderland. He is noted as a Pawnbroker, Gentleman and Shipowner. An interesting combination. The Sunderland Library has been helpful in locating his birth and marriage in the Corder Manuscripts but nothing specifically relating to a ship. Regards, Susan Enns.

Hi, With regards to the name of Mack, this is indeed a family name in Co Durham especially in Stockton, which is where a friend of mine called Mack comes from.. When looking through the census returns for him I found that adopting Mack as a surname seemed to be mainly in the north east. In the case of the family I was looking at they shortened it from McGilliecuddy Regards Ian

Hi, in a book by Stuart Miller & Billy Bell Sunderland ,in section on Bishopwearmouth a photograph taken before 1935 it says ` the buildings in the foreground ,which included the `` Mayfair toffee factory`` so who is correct `The or Me ` Doris ----- Original Message ----- From: "radar" <radar@ihug.co.nz> To: <eng-dur-sunderland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:56 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Digest, Vol 5, Issue 93 > The sweet factory in Low Row/Chester Road, by St Mary's > school was actually called "Vanity Fair" and the sister > factory by the Burn Park in Durham Road was called "Mayfair" > I used to live nearby the Mayfair and stood outside waiting > for the workmen carrying in the great big slabs of chocolate > into the factory , hoping that they would drop one and bits > would break off. which happened quite a lot. I would scoop > them up and off top school I would go. Sweets were on the > ration remember. The factory in Matlock street used to make > the Sarsaparilla Tablets which were just the greatest. alas > I can not remember the name either but I do remember the > Sarsaparilla tablets. John Travers NZ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.856 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3163 - Release Date: 09/27/10 18:56:00

Handel Street runs through Aldi's car park. Stan On 29 September 2010 14:11, John.harker <john.harker@ntlworld.com> wrote: > > Powley`s ,was it not in St Marks Rd on the corner where Aldes is now it > was > then taken over by a kitchen bathroom sales place ,or is my memory playing > tricks in old age > Doris >

Hi, sweet factory in Low Row ,I stand corrected . But I was better off than you with regards pieces of miss shaped chocolate ,a cousin of my father`s work at the one in Low Row so when she came to visit always brought a bag full of miss shaped pieces of chocolate But we children who lived in the area ,we would go through the arch in Low Row (the arch is still there )in this tunnel the walls had a slope we would sit there till the women came out on there breaks , nine times out of ten they would have chocolate in a pocket of the overalls and share it round the children Powley`s ,was it not in St Marks Rd on the corner where Aldes is now it was then taken over by a kitchen bathroom sales place ,or is my memory playing tricks in old age Doris ----- Original Message ----- From: "radar" <radar@ihug.co.nz> To: <eng-dur-sunderland@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 28, 2010 11:56 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Digest, Vol 5, Issue 93 > The sweet factory in Low Row/Chester Road, by St Mary's > school was actually called "Vanity Fair" and the sister > factory by the Burn Park in Durham Road was called "Mayfair" > I used to live nearby the Mayfair and stood outside waiting > for the workmen carrying in the great big slabs of chocolate > into the factory , hoping that they would drop one and bits > would break off. which happened quite a lot. I would scoop > them up and off top school I would go. Sweets were on the > ration remember. The factory in Matlock street used to make > the Sarsaparilla Tablets which were just the greatest. alas > I can not remember the name either but I do remember the > Sarsaparilla tablets. John Travers NZ > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.856 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3163 - Release Date: 09/27/10 18:56:00

Hi Listers I'm wondering if any one can advise me where to look for Jane Ann Spark Stubbs born 1860, I believe in Carlisle. Her parents where Willian Spark Stubbs & Jane Bowmen. Any help apprictiated Thank you Bob

>> > ADRABBOTT@aol.com writes > > In a message dated 28/09/2010 16:06:30 GMT Daylight Time, > ian.hayley@btinternet.com writes: > > Could "Mack" be a familiar name for Mr MacLean? ..... a common nickname > for > a Scotsman! > > > I think you could be right - maybe it is supposed to mean D.A.Maclean of > Middlesboro and Blackpool, also another shop called "Mack" in Sunderland. > > I have heard that photographers were notorious for saying they were "of > Paris, Vienna and Monkwearmouth" for example because it looked good and in > those days nobody could disprove it. > Did your quote miss any punctuation? Looking on the web another example of this photographer's work is quoted as having a statement: " A Maclean Middlesbro' & Blackpool: and Mack, 12 Holmeside Sunderland 3798" - notice the colon after Blackpool. I think this supports the suggestion that it is two businesses that are being identified. BobH

The sweet factory in Low Row/Chester Road, by St Mary's school was actually called "Vanity Fair" and the sister factory by the Burn Park in Durham Road was called "Mayfair" I used to live nearby the Mayfair and stood outside waiting for the workmen carrying in the great big slabs of chocolate into the factory , hoping that they would drop one and bits would break off. which happened quite a lot. I would scoop them up and off top school I would go. Sweets were on the ration remember. The factory in Matlock street used to make the Sarsaparilla Tablets which were just the greatest. alas I can not remember the name either but I do remember the Sarsaparilla tablets. John Travers NZ

Hi Pat I'm sorry if I've done something wrong, but I am new to this. My Crosby's originated in the Penshaw area with William b 1734, marrying Margaret Dixon in 1759. Then Ralph b 1761, then Dixon b 1801 in Sunderland. He married Catherine Tindle in 1824 at Holy Trinity. Their son Dixon b 1833 married Mary Jane Bellas in 1856 and their daughter Catherine Tindle Crosby b 1857 , my great grandmother married George Barron in St Barnabas in 1885. Hope that helps Regards Eileen From: eng-dur-sunderland-bounces@rootsweb.com [mailto:eng-dur-sunderland-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of eng-dur-sunderland-request@rootsweb.com Sent: 29 September 2010 08:01 To: eng-dur-sunderland@rootsweb.com Subject: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Digest, Vol 5, Issue 94

Hi Stan I sent a map 'off list ' as there is no way to send it to the group Eileen I have a partial tree for Crosby can you give more on names & location Cheers Pat -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] orphanage Date: Tue, 28 Sep 2010 21:42:37 +0100 From: Stan Mapstone <stanmapstone@gmail.com> To: Eileen White <eileenhwhite@hotmail.com> CC: eng-dur-sunderland@rootsweb.com Hi Eileen, I assume you got replies off list, which defeats the object of the list in sharing information. Stan Mapstone On 28 September 2010 21:27, Eileen White<eileenhwhite@hotmail.com> wrote: > Thanks everyone for the information - very helpful. I am researching > Bagley, > Barron, Crosby, Telford, Dawsey, Pullan, Park and Atkinson, if that might > be > of use to anyone. > > Regards Eileen White > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 29/09/2010 12:02:28 GMT Daylight Time, rmwhunter@blueyonder.co.uk writes: Did your quote miss any punctuation? Looking on the web another example of this photographer's work is quoted as having a statement: " A Maclean Middlesbro' & Blackpool: and Mack, 12 Holmeside Sunderland 3798" - notice the colon after Blackpool. I think this supports the suggestion that it is two businesses that are being identified. Bob, no it was exactly as I reproduced it - Middlesboro', Blackpool & Mack, 12 Holmeside etc. But I do think on reflection that there must be two businesses. Adrian ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hi Eileen, I assume you got replies off list, which defeats the object of the list in sharing information. Stan Mapstone On 28 September 2010 21:27, Eileen White <eileenhwhite@hotmail.com> wrote: > Thanks everyone for the information - very helpful. I am researching > Bagley, > Barron, Crosby, Telford, Dawsey, Pullan, Park and Atkinson, if that might > be > of use to anyone. > > Regards Eileen White > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >