Hi I am trying to trace descendants of Wilfred COATES and Isabel COATES Wilfred was born 1866 in Warminster. In 1901 he is a stationer living at Longwood, Roker. Children are Isabel A, Winifred E, Wilfred B, (niece Marjorie E Choles?) Wilfred was brother to my Grandmother Mary Eleanor ROBSON nee COATES who married Joseph Young ROBSON butcher Chester-le-Street. Tony Surtees tsurt@btinternet.com 

In a message dated 15/09/2003 20:43:44 GMT Daylight Time, tsurt@btinternet.com writes: > stationer living at > Longwood, Roker. Hi Tony, I don't know if you have this information, but in Kelly's 1902 Directory, his home address was 'Longwood' Roker Park Road, Roker, Sunderland, and his business address was 25 Fawcett Street. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

In a message dated 15/09/2003 15:11:54 GMT Daylight Time, ADRABBOTT@aol.com writes: > Ann Wilson, > who was his Deceased Wife's Sister, which was of course illegal at that > time. > > So they went abroad. I have found no evidence that they ever came back to > England, and if they did I suppose they could have been arrested. > Hi Adrian, Before 1835 it was a violation of Canon Law, and after the 1835 Act a violation of Civil Law. Lord Lydhurst's Act of 1835, stated that any marriage within the prohibited degrees taking place after the act was absolutely null and void, this was a Civil Law and not a Criminal Law, so they would not have been arrested. However many couples ignored the law, and many clergy overlooked it. For many years an active and ceaseless agitation was carried on behalf of the legalisation in England of marriage with a deceased wife's sister. In fact there were petitions from clergymen who implored that a Bill might be passed, since many of their parishioners had already married their sisters-in-law, under the belief that this was the best thing for the children — and of course it was the best thing for the children. As the law stood any offspring were regarded as illegitimate and had no legal claims to any inheritance. In all the self-governing colonies, with the exception of Newfoundland, the restriction had ceased to exist. The first act legalising marriage with a deceased wife's sister was adopted by South Australia. In quick succession similar statutes followed in Victoria, Tasmania, New South Wales, Queensland, New Zealand, West Australia, Barbados, Canada, Mauritius, Natal and Cape Colony. As regards the Channel Islands, marriages of the kind in question were made legal in I899, and in 1907 in the Isle of Man. Regards Stan Mapstone

Hi Andrew My mother was born in Hamilton Street Monkwearmouth Shore It was situated beside Hallgarth Square in between Millum terrace and Huddleston Street Hope this helps George

The following story has taken me a long time to unravel. Although it has an unusual ending in the USA, it starts in the Sunderland area, and may be of interest to WILSONs and WADDLEs in particular. I can supply a lot more, but the following is the bones of it: My great-aunt Eleanor (Nellie) WILSON, born in Southwick June 5 1876, parents Samuel WILSON and his wife Margaret GILLESPIE, wed Stephen WADDLE on Oct. 26 1902, according to the family bible. I have never found the wedding, and assume it was in New York. They had two children, John, Aug 21 1903; and Margaret Oct 1 1905, both born in New York. John never married, but always lived with Margaret, who married a George WOLLENHAUPT. The Wollenhaupts were childless, and George, John and Margaret all died in New Jersey in 1985, 1998 and 1993 respectively. Because they sent their English cousins food parcels during the Second World War, and as a boy I met John Waddle who I very much liked, I was keen to find out why they were in the USA. We now go back to a Thomas Waddle who married a Margaret, who had at least five children in Monkwearmouth - Robert, 1842; Thomas, 1844; John 1851; Joseph 1858; Isabella 1860. Thomas Waddle the father was a Master Mariner, and his sons went into the same business. We will call his son John Sr. John Sr. wed a Hannah Emmerson Wilson, (born 1852 in Thornley Colliery) on Jan. 1st 1874 in Southwick Parish Church. (As far as I can find, her Wilsons are not connected to Samuel Wilson above). At this time John Sr. was described as Engineer, but the birth certificate of Stephen Waddle, 0ct 26 1875 is more specific and describes him as the Engineer of a Steam Ship. They had a second child Gertrude in 1879. In the 1881 census, Hannah and her two children are living at 23 Camden St. Southwick with her mother - presumably John Sr. was away on his ship. Also at the house were Hannah's siblings Stephen, John, Phoebe Ann, and William. Hannah died at the end of 1881, and this is where it starts to get interesting. It would appear that John Sr. decided to marry (maybe!) Phoebe Ann Wilson, who was his Deceased Wife's Sister, which was of course illegal at that time. So they went abroad. I have found no evidence that they ever came back to England, and if they did I suppose they could have been arrested. John Sr. and Phoebe, now called Mrs. Waddle, next appear in Mexico, where they may have married, but I have yet to find evidence, and where they had a daughter Phoebe in 1889, a son John Percival in 1891, Laurence in 1893, Beatrice in 1894, Thomas 1896. There was also a Margaret born in New York in 1899. Stephen and Gertrude probably lived in Mexico with their father and stepmother/aunt, because they are seen going through Ellis Island in 1892 on the way from Yucatan to England; Stephen was a butcher, and Gertrude at school. John Sr. and Phoebe moved to Cuba, probably around 1900, where he apparently worked for the New York and Cuba Mail Co. shipping line, but he bought a house for his retirement in New York - 423 41st St. - which was where Stephen and Eleanor lived. He must have been quite wealthy by then, because in the 1930 census it was valued at $11,300. The other children of John Sr. moved in and out of New York fairly often, although Laurence lived at least a few years back in England before going back to the USA, where the other children also settled. The unusual end to this story is that John Sr. and Phoebe regularly visited New York, and were logged in by the Ellis Island organisation. On John's last visit to New York, he and Phoebe embarked at Havana, and arrived in New York on May 1st. 1921. Phoebe was admitted for the purpose of visiting her son Stephen, while John was admitted as "Corpse in the care of Mrs. Waddle". As good as a death certificate? Adrian, Hants. This is also posted on the Northumbria list; apologies to anybody who tries to read it twice!

Hi Bill, according to the 1881 Census it was in Boldon Colliery in the vicinity of Fenwicks Street and Topping Street, which are still there. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

Hi listers, Can anyone out there help me find a street, the stret in question is " Cross Street " in Boldon Colliery, its mentioned in the 1901 census but I have been unable to trace it, Any info appreciated Bill Form

Hi David and Brian I am also researching the Carney family of Monkwearmouth The family I am following has a direct line of Jeremiah Carneysdating back to the late 1700s Any connection George Sunderland

Hi All Also found these for GALLAGHER from the 1861 census. I am not researching this name, just noted for a friend. Heather Lutz 1861 Rg9/3778 Sch 342 48 Silver St, Sunderland GALLAGHER, John, Head, Married, 39, Labourer, Scotland GALLAGHER, Mary, Wife, Married, 36, Newcatle GALLAGHER, John, Son, 15, Driver in Coal Mine, Scotland GALLAGHER, Edward, Son, 13, Gateshead GALLAGHER, William, Son, 10, Middlesbrough GALLAGHER, Catherine, Daug, 8, Middlesbrough GALLAGHER, Charles, Son, 4, Hartlepool GALLAGHER, Fracis, Son, 2, Hartlepool GALLAGHER, Robert, Son, 1m, Sunderland 1861 RG9/3777 sch 56, 21 Robinson Lane, Sunderland GALLAGHER, John, Head, Married, 38, Peddler, Ireland GALLAGHER, Bridget, Wife, Married, 30, Ireland GALLAGHER, John, Son, 9, Ireland GALLAGHER, Dom mich?, Son, 1, Sunderland 1861 Rg9/3777 Sch 200, 2 Stamps Lane, Sunderland GALLAGHER, Edward, Head, Married, 22, White Smith, Wigan, Lancs, GALLAGHER, Mary Ann, Wife, Married, 21, ? Lancs 1861 Rg9/3769 sch 374 12 George St, Bishopwearmouth Home of Mary THOMPSON widow GALAGHER, Edward, Lodger, Single, 28, Labourer, Ireland 1861 Rg9/3769 sch 399 12 Charles St, Bishopwearmouth Home of Patrick WHITSIMMONS GALAGER, Peter, Lodger, Single, 21, Labourer, Ireland

Hi All Found this entry for a friend, maybe useful for someone else. Heather Lutz 1891 Rg12/4146 Sch 172 37 Grey St, Southwick GALLAGHER, Peter, Head, Married, 63, Labourer, Ireland GALLAGHER, Catherine, Wife, Married, 60, Ireland PEGG, Mary A, Daug, Married, 26, Southwick GALLAGHER, Elizabeth, Daug, Single, 22, Southwick GALLAGHER, Patrick, Son, Single, 21, Rivitter, Southwick 1891 Rg12/4146 Sch 156 23 Grey St, Southwick GALLAGHER, John, Head, Married, 32, Sheet ? Maker, Southwick GALLAGHER,Louisa, WIfe, Married, 39, Shields PYBUS,Christopher, Step Son, 14, App Boilersmith, Manchester PYBUS,Annie E, Step Daug. 8, Sunderland

Hi Sue & list, I was interested in the name of CROSSLEY. One of my relatives is a John CROSLEY (I thought there is only one "S" but maybe there should be two) John was married to a Thelma nee BELL and they had a son named Ian. Her parents were Alf BELL & Ethel nee HOME (DOB late 1800's or early 1900's) Thelma had a sister named Vera. When I lived in Sunderland (1940's), they (the BELL's) lived on Pallion Rd. Sunderland. Is this any help to you, or do you or anyone have anything that can assist me. Thanks. Regards, Malcolm Campbell (London,Ontario,Canada) > his father was James CROSSLEY who married a Margaret CRAWFORD. > They had a number of children between 1835-1853 one of which was John born in 1851

Thank you to Stan and Alan for checking for Rudds Lane. The certificate is dated 1849 but there is no mention of it in my 1841 census index.Looks like its another brickwall Regards George Sunderland

In a message dated 04/09/2003 22:42:34 GMT Daylight Time, jfsimms@shaw.ca writes: > were still living at 2264 Ballast Hills, Bishopwearmouth in 1851 Hi Judy, that seems an unusual address number for England, what was the source? Regards Stan Mapstone

Thanks John, re the Richardsons. I have a lot of research to do in this area. My gg grandfather and ggg gf appeared to be heavily into ships. I believe 4x g grandfather was a George Richardson, and may have been a ship builder.. This is what I have to establish definitely. I have searched Lloyds captains registers, as best I could. re John Richardson... There are two, but I think my fellow would have done his training before Lloyd's apprentice/m/mariner records started. The George you mention could have been ggg gf's brother, as he had a brother George, but I haven't done too much on him yet. Descendants, used to live in the area around Villiers St, Sunderland. I haven't even attempted to track more modern relatives yet. I should try the 1881, 1891.. My gg grandfather died here in Aust in 1867. Glenda

It would be greatly appreciated if someone could tell me if Robert and Jane Smith were still living at 2264 Ballast Hills, Bishopwearmouth in 1851 and if there are children listed. I'm trying to add more limbs to my tree. Look forward to any information - Regards - Judy

Hi I am trying to help my uncle sort out his family. He knew little about them other than his father was James CROSSLEY who married a Margaret CRAWFORD. He believes his mother was illegitimate and the rest of her brothers and sisters were called MOONEY. I have found that his great grandmother was Elizabeth DYKES who married Matthew CROSSLEY in 1835. They had a number of children between 1835-1853 one of which was John born in 1851 and married Mary A RICKABY in 1880. I believe Mary was from Jarrow. These are the parents of James CROSSLEY who married Margaret CRAWFORD . I cannot find the marriage for these two, although I have all of the children from this marriage. I would appreciate any help that anyone may have with any of the above names. Many thanks for looking and a general thank you to the list members for the useful information and help they have given me over the years. Sue Leishman

Thanks a lot Stan Regards George

Susan LEISHMAN wrote: > > Hi > > I am trying to help my uncle sort out his family. He knew little about them other than his father was James CROSSLEY who married a Margaret CRAWFORD. He believes his mother was illegitimate and the rest of her brothers and sisters were called MOONEY. > > I have found that his great grandmother was Elizabeth DYKES who married Matthew CROSSLEY in 1835. They had a number of children between 1835-1853 one of which was John born in 1851 and married Mary A RICKABY in 1880. I believe Mary was from Jarrow. > > These are the parents of James CROSSLEY who married Margaret CRAWFORD . I cannot find the marriage for these two, although I have all of the children from this marriage. > > I would appreciate any help that anyone may have with any of the above names. > > Many thanks for looking and a general thank you to the list members for the useful information and help they have given me over the years. > > Sue Leishman Hi Sue, Do you have any more information about Elizabeth Dykes? I have Dykes in one of my grandfather's family in Sunderland. The family oringinally came from Maldon Essex. Edward Dykes m. Sarah Gofton in 1872 Sunderland. I am waiting for filme at the local LDS FH Centre to get further back. Betty.

An extensive list of Lanes, Alleys and Quays of Sunderland that are mentioned in early records was produced by the late Charles Walker and was published in 'Sunderland's History' Volume 5 - the journal of the Sunderland Antiquarian Society. I have checked this list but there is no reference to Rudd's Lane. Alan Vickers.

Can anyone please enlighten me as to what happened to the records of St Cuthberts church of Monkwearmouth Shore pre 1880 . I understand they were destroyed but in which way Regards George Sunderland