I don't remember what list it was on, but I seem to remember someone was asking if you could sail from the North East when emigrating. I have come across a reference to the 'Lizzie Webber' which, in 1852, was apparently the first local emigrant ship to leave the Wear for Australia. Regards Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 07/10/2003 12:09:17 GMT Daylight Time, joolywalker@lineone.net writes: > 3 Long Bank at the time. At various times > she has been listed a living at 3 Bowes Quay and 3 Low Quay. Is it possible > that these were all the same place? > The bottom of Long Bank was the junction of Bowes Quay and Low Quay so that it is possible that number 3 could have been said to have been in either of them. Northumberland Place was near to Holy Trinity Church, to the East of Church Street East on the modern map. Regards Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 07/10/2003 02:00:12 GMT Daylight Time, mmellor@free.net.nz writes: > Does anyone know if Sunderland Asylum later became Ryhope Hospital, or was > it a separate mental institution? > Cherry Knowle was the Asylum and separate from Ryhope General Hospital. Regards Stan Mapstone

Thanks, Stan & Garry, for your informative replies. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: <Stanmapstone@aol.com> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, October 06, 2003 10:43 PM Subject: Re: [SUNDERLAND] County of Sunderland? > Hi Mike, Sunderland was created a Parliamentary Borough by the 1832 Reform > Act, and a County Borough by the 1835 Municipal Corporation Act, which took it > out of the control of Durham County Council. > The correct term should be 'in the County Borough of Sunderland and the > County of Durham.' But I suppose it was much easier to write 'in the Counties of > Sunderland and Durham', especially if you were doing it many times a day. > Monkwearmouth and Monkwearmouth Shore were always in the County Borough, but > Southwick was not included until 1928, although it was in the Parliamentary > Borough. > > The original borough boundary was intended to be the 1832 parliamentary > constituency boundary, but it was reduced, north of the river to Monkwearmouth and > Monkwearmouth Shore. South of the river to an area enclosed by a circular line > with a radius of one mile from the centre of Wearmouth bridge. > > Regards Stan Mapstone > > > ==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== > To contact the List Owner send mail to, > ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-admin@lists5.rootsweb.com >

Listers I've got an 1890s certificate for a death in Monkwearmouth, which is described as being "in the Counties of Sunderland & Durham". I'm aware that Sunderland became a County Borough (not sure when), but when was it a county, and which parts of Monkwearmouth weren't included in Sunderland? Mike Mellor Wellington, NZ

In a message dated 06/10/2003 06:24:24 GMT Daylight Time, mmellor@free.net.nz writes: > in the Counties of Sunderland &Durham Another reason for this being entered on the certificates could be that the Sunderland Registration District covered more than the Borough of Sunderland, some sub-districts being in County Durham. Sunderland Registration District Created 1st July 1837. Sub-districts: East Sunderland; Monkwearmouth; North Bishop Wearmouth; South Bishop Wearmouth; Ryhope; Southwick; Sunderland East; Sunderland North; Sunderland West; West Sunderland. The Parishes covered were: Bishopwearmouth, Bishopwearmouth Panns, Ford, Fulwell, Hylton, Monkwearmouth, Monkwearmouth Shore, Ryhope, Southwick, Sunderland, Tunstall. Regards Stan Mapstone

Hi Mike, Sunderland was created a Parliamentary Borough by the 1832 Reform Act, and a County Borough by the 1835 Municipal Corporation Act, which took it out of the control of Durham County Council. The correct term should be 'in the County Borough of Sunderland and the County of Durham.' But I suppose it was much easier to write 'in the Counties of Sunderland and Durham', especially if you were doing it many times a day. Monkwearmouth and Monkwearmouth Shore were always in the County Borough, but Southwick was not included until 1928, although it was in the Parliamentary Borough. The original borough boundary was intended to be the 1832 parliamentary constituency boundary, but it was reduced, north of the river to Monkwearmouth and Monkwearmouth Shore. South of the river to an area enclosed by a circular line with a radius of one mile from the centre of Wearmouth bridge. Regards Stan Mapstone

Hello, I would be pleased to hear from anyone with info about the following ancestors of mine My interests are from my maternal Great Grandmother "Mary Burn" b 1874 (Sunderland, Co Durham) d 1949 (Shiney Row, Co Durham) m 1900 "Frederick John Inch" born 1880 West Herrington, Co Durham (Parents of Mary) "James Burn" b 1845 (Sunderland, Co Durham) d unknown, (Occ Tobacco Pipe maker) m 1867 "Ann Padget" b 1844 Bishopwearmouth father "Samuel Padget" b 1815 Sunderland, mother "Ann Fisher" (Parents of James) "John Burn" b unknown, m "Elizabeth Ridley" (Parents of John) "Thomas Burn" b unknown, m "Elizabeth ?" (Parents of Thomas) "Thomas Burn" b unknown, m (Unknown) Thankyou, Carole Robinson Member of NDFHS Inch, Burn, Padget, Ridley, Fisher, Simons

Hello, I'm a new subscriber to the list and would like to hear from anyone researching the following surnames Inch, Burn, Padget, Ridley, Fisher, Simons Thankyou Carole Robinson

Dead right again Stan Thank you George

I am researching the following names - BANKS : Stretton (Cheshire), Manchester (Lancs) BRADBURY : Lymm (Cheshire) BROWNBILL : St Helens (Lancs) CALLAGHAN : St Helens (Lancs), Ireland DANIELS : Bowdon (Cheshire) GABRIEL : St Helens (Lancs), Liverpool (Lancs) GRATWICH : Barlaston (Staffs) HIGHAM : Lymm (Cheshire), Leigh (Lancs) JOHNSON : Over Peover (Cheshire) JOHNS(T)ON : Wallasey (Cheshire), Birkenhead (Cheshire), Hull (East Riding), North Shields/Tynemouth (Northumberland), Ryton (Co. Durham) JONES : Whitchurch (Shrops) LEIGH : Lymm (Cheshire) MILLER : Lymm (Cheshire), Grappenhall (Cheshire) MOSTON/MOSSON : Lymm (Cheshire), Over Peover (Cheshire) NORBURY : Liverpool (Lancs) PERCIVAL : Lymm (Cheshire), Antrobus (Cheshire) RICHARDSON : Lymm (Cheshire), Prescot (Lancs) TABERN : St Helens (Lancs) THOMPSON : North Shields/Tynemouth (Northumberland) WILLIAMSON : Cheshire WINSTANLEY : Lymm (Cheshire) WOOTTON : Barlaston (Staffs), Moddershall (Staffs), Stone (Staffs) I would be pleased to hear from anyone with similar interests. Thanks Tim

In a message dated 30/09/2003 12:40:50 GMT Daylight Time, margaret.gardiner3@btopenworld.com writes: > Was it the practice to bury people with complete strangers in the 1800sThe > husband and wife of a family Iam researching appear to be in different > graves and I also noticed some infants, not related with the same grave numbers > Hi George, there are two types of grave, and I assume that this was the position when the cemeteries were opened. Purchased Grave The applicant purchases the Exclusive Right of Burial in this grave, effectively forming a private grave and giving the family of the deceased control of any future burials in that grave. The owner of the Right must give written permission before any burial can take place in a purchased grave. The Exclusive Right has a fixed term - currently 100 years after which time control of the grave is returned to the City. The Right is, in essence, a lease and does not imply ownership of the ground, or confer any additional entitlement. A grave must be purchased before can be erected on it. An additional fee for the Right to Erect a Memorial must also be paid (usually included in the Memorial Mason's fees). This Right terminates on the expiry of the Exclusive Right of Burial. Un-purchased Graves ('A' Wards) These are also known as 'Common' or 'Public' graves. The City retains control of the burials in these graves. Burial Law used to require a 14 year interval between successive burials in one of these graves, (unless the deceased were from the same family). This law has since been repealed, but the above practice has been continued. Regards Stan Mapstone

Hi Stan It is MEREKNOLLS which I am after Regards George

Hi George, are you referring to Churchyards or the Municipal Cemeteries? Regards Stan Mapstone

Hi all Was it the practice to bury people with complete strangers in the 1800sThe husband and wife of a family Iam researching appear to be in different graves and I also noticed some infants ,not related with the same grave numbers Regards George Sunderland

The list below is of 18th Century mariners who are known to have sailed from Whitby and/or London on merchant vessels. If you think any of them are yours, and you know they were alive after 1785, please would you get in touch, off list, to: susanbaines@lineone.net We might have some interesting information for you. John Swan John Pearson James Woolf John Johnson Richard Trueman John Noble Richard Neal James Hart John Thompson John Frazer George Oswell Nicholas Theaker George Taylor John Purvis Andrew Gibson Andrew Noble Thomas Edes

Hello List, My interests are: LEES YOUNG Sunderland WARDLE Sunderland/Newcastle MCKENNA Sunderland RICHARDSON Sunderland NIXON Sunderland MULLIGAN Sunderland. I have recently acquired transcripts of letters that passed between my Great Grandparents James Baker Richardson and Sarah(Nixon)Richardson during WW1, at first James was believed killed during the Battle of the Somme, but was then found to be a POW, I have deduced from these letters that he served in the Durham Light Infantry and that pre war he worked for Doxfords (shipbuilding?) The family home at this time was 23 Brady Street, Pallion, does it still exist? There are also references to Thomas Lees Young who was killed on 16th September 1916 during the Battle of the Somme. James & Sarah's daughter Annie (my grandmother) was married to James Lees Young, brother to Thomas. Tomorrow (Saturday 27th September) I am making the long trip north to Sunderland, I promised myself that if my football team (Reading) played my other team (Sunderland) I would be there in The Stadium of Light, my mum was born not far from Roker Park. I would be interested to hear from anyone with similar interests. Melanie Bishop

In a message dated 26/09/2003 22:34:22 GMT Daylight Time, melanie@melanie47.freeserve.co.uk writes: > 23 Brady Street, Pallion, does it still exist? > Yes, it is still marked on the street map. Regards Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 24/09/2003 07:20:47 GMT Daylight Time, ruthjo@adam.com.au writes: > burials of infants with the note " No service" written beside the entry. > Hi Ruth, I don't know if you have had any replies, but one of the reasons for no service being held was that the infant had not been baptised. The Church of England does not now charge a fee in respect of the burial of a stillborn infant, or the burial of an infant dying within one year after birth, but I don't know what the position was in the 19th. century. Regards Stan Mapstone

Can anyone suggest where I can find info. on a couple who travelled from South Africa to West Hartlepool,County Durham and Middlesbrough, North Yorks, during late September and early October, 1908. Their names were Charles Frederick RENNEY and wife Margaret RENNEY. Margaret RENNEY gave birth to twin boys aboard ship on October 1st, 1908, on the way over. They all returned to South Africa 6 weeks later. Their babies births were registered at Middlesbrough and no ship was mentioned on the birth certificates. Need to discover which ships made the trip during this time period. Can anyone suggest where I can find a list of ships travelling between the UK and South Africa from September to December, 1908. Regards, Pamela.