Now when I tried to unsubscribe from this list, I was told not on it, now I did subscribe a few years ago and messages are still trickling through, so surely I am on it??? How can I unsubscribe.. I did it through the correct channels, but the message came back, not a subscriber!!! Come on.. have a message this morning from JayneCanada. who is having who on!! I only want to come off for a few months, as will be in UK next year for a spell...trying to track down the correct names of the people I am looking for from Sunderland connected to Ridley/Snowdon families.. which I am descended from. My Ridley's are from Tow House Green... John and Rachel Ridley, but somewhere along the line..Snowdon comes in.. through Philip... I cannot say more, as no information until a family member can oblige who lives in Penrith, so hope to visit her next March...My late grandmother was Florence Ridley who married Alfred Pentony.. so if these names ring bells.. I would love to hear from anyone thank you.. adele in lovely Clareville.NZ.

The problem could stem from the e-mail address you're using now being different from the one you used to subscribe with. Even if there is one letter different you won't be able to unsubscribe from the list using the address you use now. Some ISP's do this without their customer's knowledge so you may not even be aware of any change to your address. However, if you have had other e-mail addresses then it's possible you used it or one of them to subscribe to this list. In either situation the only person who can unsubscribe you from this list is our List Admin who can be contacted at: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-admin@rootsweb.com Take care Jayne St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada Jayne's Digital Reflections: http://www.jadire.com Archive CD Books: http://www.archivecdbooks.org If you don't know your family's history, then you don't know anything. You are a leaf that doesn't know it is part of a tree. ----- Original Message ----- From: <pentony@infogen.net.nz> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2003 5:10 PM Subject: [SUNDERLAND] subscriber > Now when I tried to unsubscribe from this list, I was told not on it, now I did subscribe a few years ago and messages are still trickling through, so surely I am on it??? > > How can I unsubscribe.. I did it through the correct channels, but the message came back, not a subscriber!!! Come on.. have a message this morning from JayneCanada. who is having who on!! > > I only want to come off for a few months, as will be in UK next year for a spell...trying to track down the correct names of the people I am looking for from Sunderland connected to Ridley/Snowdon families.. which I am descended from. > > My Ridley's are from Tow House Green... John and Rachel Ridley, but somewhere along the line..Snowdon comes in.. through Philip... I cannot say more, as no information until a family member can oblige who lives in Penrith, so hope to visit her next March...My late grandmother was Florence Ridley who married Alfred Pentony.. so if these names ring bells.. I would love to hear from anyone thank you..

My 3rd great grandmother was Elizabeth COATES. When she married my 3rd great grandfather, George DAVISON, on 15 Oct 1845 she was residing at 21, Vine Street, Sunderland. Elizabeth gives her father's name as John COATES, Mariner. >From their entry in the 1851 Bishopwearmouth census Elizabeth was aged 28 years with her place of birth given as Sunderland. Her birth year calculates to be approximately 1823. I have been unable to find them in 1861 census CD from Archive CD Books and in 1881 George and Elizabeth are listed as living at 11, Cliff Terrace with their widowed daughter Elizabeth SCOTT and their three SCOTT grandchildren The only Elizabeth COATES I can find so far is from the IGI and was baptized in Sunderland 22 Sep 1822 to John COATES and Mary Ann HARDY. The other I have found is one baptized in Auckland 3 Dec 1823 to John COATES and Elizabeth. Knowing both areas somewhat I would say the Elizabeth in 1822 is mine but obviously before I can say 100% that she is I need to do further investigations. As she was already married by 1851 then obviously she would not be listed in the 1851 census with her parents. A lookup was done in the 1851 census for a John COATES, Mariner in Sunderland but nothing was found. Any help with this line would be very much appreciated. Take care Jayne St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada Jayne's Digital Reflections: http://www.jadire.com Archive CD Books: http://www.archivecdbooks.org If you don't know your family's history, then you don't know anything. You are a leaf that doesn't know it is part of a tree.

Just joined the list and am a comparative newcomer to family reseach. I have discovered that my great grandfather, Roger Wilson, 1839- ?? who lived in Durham and Bishopswearmouth near Sunderland, at various times of his life, had a daughter Emily who marrid into the Farbes family aeound 1875. After that a total blank. Anyone researching the Farbes family who has a Wilson link? Bob Wilson Los Angeles (ex-Lynemouth, Northumberland)

The Roberts family is to be found on the 1891 census at RG12/4114 Folio 35 p4 ED 8 which is Newbottle. There is another son Samuel aged 18 that you didn't mention. The rest are the same. It says that Hugh was born at Amboch but I think that's going to be Amlwch, Anglesey. The Swains proved a little more difficult to find but I'm fairly sure this is the family at RG12/4147 Folio 108 p32 ED7a which is Monkwearmouth. They are indexed as Swani and Jemima is Junnua! However the other details seem to fit the 1881 family. It includes children Charles, Fanny W., John Geo and Mary C. For some reason the image is not available and so I can't be certain. I don't know if Jemima is a widow here but there's no sign of Brady so it looks that way. I hope this helps, Regards, Irene

Hello list , Subject title shows my wife's interest in the Sunderland area. The 1901 census shows the Roberts living at 33 Bond Street. Hugh Roberts head 50 coal miner Jane Wife 51 Hugh son 26 coal miner Evan g son 23 coal miner Mary j daur 21 Grace daur 18 Agnes j daur 15 All except son Hugh shown as being born in Wales. The Swain family also on 1901 census shown at 19 ellerslie terrace Jemima swain head 50 lodging house keeper fanny w daur 21 Drapers assistant mary e daur 18 Tea traveller may swain gdaur 1 also shown are a Victoria m wilkinson ,william robinson and herbert hillwood as lodgers. Brady Swain is the deceased father to the family and jemima,s maiden name is Cowley. Evan g Roberts marries Mary e Swain but now is known as Mary Cowley Swain. Evan is killed in ww1. They have 3 children ,Stanley,jean and Evan g. Have found Brady and family in 1881 too. Any body have an interest in this family or has seen them in 1891 give me a call. Colin Southampton

Has anyone come across this surname in Sunderland? Thomas ELDERS was married to a cousin of my mother-Mary CUNNINGTON nee JONES. This was a second marriage for both of them. Thomas was b. 1882 in Whitby Yorks. He was a Cabinet maker and had his own shop in Sunderland,--'Cabinet Makers & Shop Fitters' in the early to mid 1900s. Any information gratefully received! Many Thanks, Betty.

Hi, Currently researching the family of PILE who were shipbuilders in Sunderland and West Hartlepool. William senior and sons John and William. There was also a younger brother Thomas who I think was also a shipbuilder. It is Thomas that interests me. Some of his children were born in London, so they must have moved there from Co.Durham. My dates are to say the least "vague and conflicting" but I have a birth certificate for Thomas for 1840, and I am reasonably certain that it is the correct one. He married Agnes DORAN who was Irish. They migrated to New Zealand in 1876, with the first 4 of their children and settled in Opotiki in the Bay of Plenty. Is there anyone on the list who can give me more information on this shipbuilding family? One source says that William senior's father was a glassmaker, while another claims the family was originaly from Rothbury in Northumberland and were farmers. Is there someone who might kindly look up the 1861 census for Monkwearmouth or Hartlepool or Sunderland. In about 1866 the Pile family shipbuilding business took a nose dive and John and possibly Thomas went to London, I think to Dulwich. PMT

I was at the FRC in London for a quick visit today, and coudn't find the 1841 census index for Monkwearmouth. Does anyone know the Volume, Folio number etc? I'm after Fulwell Lane area. edward Limpsfield, Surrey Using Norton Anti-Virus 2003

Thanks for your replies, I have now found Northumberland Place on an old map and also located my g grandmother's home on the Quay. Julie -- WALKER, LANDER, - Derbyshire COLLINS, ARMSTRONG, SCOTT, HADDRICK - Sunderland, Durham, Northumberland

I am helping a friend do his genealogy - here is the main family we are researching: David Cuthbert son of Henry was born Abt. 1880 in Sunderland, County Durham England, and died Bef. 1940 in Sunderland, County Durham England. He married Elizabeth Anslie Abt. 1906 in Sunderland, County Durham England. She was born Abt. 1889 in County Durham, England, and died 1952 in Sunderland, County Durham, England. Children of David Cuthbert and Elizabeth Anslie are: 2 i. Grace Cuthbert 3 ii. Henry Cuthbert 4 iii. Mary Jane Cuthbert, born Abt. 1906 in Sunderland, County Durham, England. 5 iv. Martha Cobb Cuthbert, born Abt. 1911 in Sunderland, County Durham, England. 6 v. *Florence May Cuthbert, born 23 May 1913 in Sunderland, County Durham, England; died October 1999 in Sunderland, County Durham, England. She married *George Robert Weston 6 October 1940 in Sunderland, County Durham, England; born 22 April 1910 in Sunderland, County Durham, England; died June 1985 in Sunderland, County Durham, England. 7 vi. Henrietta Cuthbert, born 2 April 1916 in Sunderland, County Durham, England; died 2001. 8 vii. Sarah Ann Cuthbert, born 1919 in Sunderland, County Durham, England. His father - Henry Cuthbert was born Abt. 1830 in England, and died Bef. 1881 in England. He married Matha Cobb Abt. 1855 in Sunderland, County Durham, England. She was born 1832 in Sunderland, County Durham, England, and died Bet. 1881 - 1901 in Sunderland, County Durham, England. More About Henry Cuthbert:Occ: 1868, 'Barque 'Aurora' H Cuthbert "Commander" More About Matha Cobb:Census: 1881, Dock Street, Monkwearmouth Shore, Durham Occ: 1881, Head Children of Henry Cuthbert and Matha Cobb are: 2 i. Frances2 Cuthbert, born 1858 in Sunderland, County Durham, England; died Aft. 1901 in County Durham, England.Occ: 1881, Unmarried daughter 3 ii. Elizabeth Cuthbert, born 1860 in Sunderland, County Durham,England; died Aft. 1901 in County Durham, England. 4 iii. Robert Cuthbert, born 1865 in Sunderland, County Durham, England; died Bef. 1901 in England. 5 iv. *David Cuthbert, born Abt. 1880 in Sunderland, County Durham England; died Bef. 1940 in Sunderland, County Durham England. He married *Elizabeth Anslie Abt. 1906 in Sunderland, County Durham England; born Abt. 1889 in County Durham, England; died 1952 in Sunderland, County Durham, England.

An advertisement in the 'Sunderland Weekly Echo and Times' of Friday 22nd. June 1883. gives an example of what was available. Allan Line Royal Mail Steamers to the United States and Canada from Liverpool. Hanoverian, for Quebec, June 18. Hibernian, for Halifax and Baltimore, June 19. Peruvian, for Quebec, June 21. Nestorian, for Quebec, June 21. Austrian, for Boston, June 28. Sarmatian, for Quebec, June 28. Caspian, for Halifax and Baltimore, July 3. Parisian, for Quebec, July 5. OCEAN RATES. Saloon, 12 to 21 Guineas; Intermediate 8 pounds; Steerage 4 pounds 4 shillings. Through tickets at special rates to Chicago, and to all points in the Western States and Canada. Note; The best, quickest, and cheapest route for Manitoba and the Great North West is by the Mail Steamers of this Line. Assisted Passages to Halifax are granted to General Labourers, Mechanics &c., for 4 pounds, and to Agriculturists, Agricultural Labourers, and Female Domestic Servants for 3 pounds; and Through to the Inland Points in Canada at Special Rates. Passengers landing at Quebec and going inland are accompanied on the Railway by the Company's special conductor. Full particulars on application to ALLAN BROTHERS & Co., James Street, Liverpool. Regards Stan Mapstone

Thanks again for sharing the breadth and depth of your knowledge, Stan. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: <Stanmapstone@aol.com> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 9:53 PM Subject: Re: [SUNDERLAND] Sunderland Asylum, Ryhope > In a message dated 07/10/2003 02:00:12 GMT Daylight Time, mmellor@free.net.nz > writes: > > > Does anyone know if Sunderland Asylum later became Ryhope Hospital, or was > > it a separate mental institution? > > > > Cherry Knowle was the Asylum and separate from Ryhope General Hospital. > Regards Stan Mapstone > > > ==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== > To post to the list, messages should be sent to > ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com >

Hello Listers I have hit a Brick wall on my family line, the person I am trying to find does not appear to be Registered or Baptised & yet his brothers & sisters pre 1837 have all been Baptised as I have the Baptisms, & the rest of the children after 1837 have all been Registered & Baptised, he was born around 1840, I find it odd that the parents would leave one of the children out & not Register or Baptise him, I have checked Registrations & Baptism,s in the Newcastle, Hetton & Sunderland area's were the family lived, According to the 1841 census he was aged 1 & the family lived in Hetton-le-hole but no luck. Has anybody else ever come across this?. Regards Allan Robson.

Hi Julie Nothumberland Placewas in the East-end of Sunderland not far off the Holy Trinity church.Other streets in that area were Outram st.Lucknow st. andHavelock street Ibelieve there were a number of Quays in that area Regards George

Listers Does anyone know if Sunderland Asylum later became Ryhope Hospital, or was it a separate mental institution? Mike Mellor Wellington, NZ

Would someone be able to do a look up in trade directoies for me please? my gt gt grandfather was a butcher and all I know is he was living in "Ballast Hills" in 1833 and in High Southwick in1840s I would like to find out if he had his own shop and realise this may not be enough info to go on. His name was John Shanks.

Hi Everybody I would be most obliged if there is anyone on the list who can help me to get out of this dead end. I am trying to trace the birth of one Matthew Carney. In the 1881 census he gives his birth place as Sunderland and his age as 26, living in Huddlestone Street Monkwearmouthshore. His marriage certificate in 1873 gives his age as 21 and his fathers name as Peter. His death certificate 1900 gives his age as 44. All this points to a birth date of around 1852-1856 I have searched the BMD indexes but cann,t find him. My request is, if anyone has access to the Sunderland 1861 and /or the 1871 census I would greatly appreciate a lookup for Matthew and/or Peter Carney. Regards Brian Curtis All outgoing mail scanned by Norton Anti Virus.

Hello all, It is some time since I posted here but a read the list avidly. I have just obtained the marriage cert of my G grandfather John William Collins, he married Isobel Ann Wright on 25 May 1896. His residence at the time of marriage was 12 Northumberland Place, Sunderland. Could anyone tell me where in Sunderland this was as I am unable to find it on any modern maps? Isobel, my G grandmother lived at 3 Long Bank at the time. At various times she has been listed a living at 3 Bowes Quay and 3 Low Quay. Is it possible that these were all the same place? TIA Julie -- WALKER, LANDER, - Derbyshire COLLINS, ARMSTRONG, SCOTT, HADDRICK - Sunderland, Durham, Northumberland

Help please... Has anyone access to the South Shields 1841/51 census? I am after JAMES RAMES ENGLISH (mariner) born late 1700's - early 1800's I have some detail on his son JAMES RAMES ENGLISH, born 1829 South Shields but nothing on his father, age, wife etc.. Any help or information would be apprieciated, or some pointers toward an answer. Thanks in anticipation, Mike English..