Hello all, Thanks to some help from the list i now know that members of the Swain family were at the above address in the 1861 census. I have had a look on autoroute and it suggests that east cross st is still in existence. Can anyone confirm this and of course does anyone have any info about the Minerva Hotel? John Swain b 1817 is a liscensed victualler on the premises and i have found reference to him in some trade directories. Lastly ,my apologies if this is a repeat question but having lost info due to several computer crashes i am not sure if i have asked before. Colin Notman

The regional local studies site for the North East of England. http://www.tomorrows-history.com/ Tomorrow's History website users are able to view modern Ordnance Survey maps for anywhere in the North East. For urban areas of Tyneside, Wearside and Teesside there is also the highly detailed Twenty Five Inch to One Mile mapping, which is detailed enough for most individual houses to be identified. Users are able to compare maps of different dates, and to print out small areas of mapping Regards Stan Mapstone

Hi all, I am slowly wading through the 1861 Durham census searching for my Govis/Govers descendants working from addresses on a birth and marriage certificate. These addresses are; Birth: John Govis, Ayres Quay Rd Sunderland, North Bishopwearmouth. Marriage: Patrick Govers, Grays Buildings, Bishopwearmouth. Sarah Connor, Norfolk St, Bishopwearmouth. Unfortunately, I can find no Govis or Govers in Bishopwearmouth anywhere. Would anyone know how close the above addresses would be to each other? and would anyone know if the 1871 census has been indexed for the Bishopwearmouth area and be willing to have a look for Govis/Govers. There should only be 2, John Govis/Govers aged about 9yrs and his grandfather, John Govis/Govers age unknown. Patrick and Sarah passed away in 1864 and 1869 respectively so I believe John was living with his grandfather. Any information greatly appreciated. TIA Andy in the Land of Oz --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.564 / Virus Database: 356 - Release Date: 19/01/2004

In a message dated 25/01/2004 11:34:16 GMT Standard Time, Stanmapstone@aol.com writes: > Fawcett Street Chapel was built by the Wesleyan > Methodists in 1836, and remained as such until it was demolished early in > the 20th. > Century. > According to TWAS it closed in 1907. They have the Minute Book 1846-1907. Regards Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 26/01/2004 09:26:50 GMT Standard Time, esrun@netfactory.com.au writes: > Would anyone know how close the above addresses would be to each > other? Ayres Quay Road, and Grays Buildings are adjacent, at the top of Silksworth Row. Norfolk Street is some distance away to the east of the town centre, running between High Street and Borough Road. In the 1881 there is a John Govis, age 18. boarder, Stranton, Durham. Regards Stan Mapstone

Hi Irene, The Bishopwearmouth entries are most likely to be Bishopwearmouth, St Michael but that is only my assumption based on the information given. As for Dorothy Henderson Copeland birth, the FHL film number is 91116 and according to the film notes the only Sunderland births on that film are for 1804-1837 Malings Rigg Chapel (United Presbyterian Church). Hope this helps. Heidi Talbot ----- Original Message ----- From: "Irene Marlborough" <imarlb@cox.net> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 25, 2004 6:25 PM Subject: [SUNDERLAND] Which church? > I have recently found an IGI extracted record that I'm interested in. > Usually such records are baptisms and occasionally I get lucky and there's a > birth date too. This record is for Dorothy Henderson Copeland born 4 Jan > 1837 and location is given as Sunderland, Durham. The batch number is > P002801. Since this is an extracted record I would have expected it to be a > baptism but it's recorded as a birth. > Questions: > 1) If it is a birth - where would the record be from. > 2) Assuming it was extracted from church records - which church would this > be? > > A related question is for other extracted records that simply have > Bishopwearmouth as the baptism location. Which church would that be? > > Thanks, Irene > > > > ==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== > Sunderland.com > http://www.sunderland.com/ > Sunderland Echo > http://www.sunderland-echo.co.uk/ > > >

Thanks Stan and Avril for information on the Halliday Family at Willington. Regards, Thomas R _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/photos&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca

I have recently found an IGI extracted record that I'm interested in. Usually such records are baptisms and occasionally I get lucky and there's a birth date too. This record is for Dorothy Henderson Copeland born 4 Jan 1837 and location is given as Sunderland, Durham. The batch number is P002801. Since this is an extracted record I would have expected it to be a baptism but it's recorded as a birth. Questions: 1) If it is a birth - where would the record be from. 2) Assuming it was extracted from church records - which church would this be? A related question is for other extracted records that simply have Bishopwearmouth as the baptism location. Which church would that be? Thanks, Irene

In a message dated 25/01/2004 05:19:41 GMT Standard Time, bobgfc@sbcglobal.net writes: > I found a web-site referring to a chapel in Fawcett Street for > non-conformists also known as > Dissenters Chapel, Ebenezer Chapel, Elim Church, Evangelical Chapel, Free > Church, Puritan Chapel, Ranters Chapel > Does this web site mean that this was all one building? I would be interested in the URL, because the Fawcett Street Chapel was built by the Wesleyan Methodists in 1836, and remained as such until it was demolished early in the 20th. Century. I should have said that these are Christian denominations. Regards Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 25/01/2004 05:19:41 GMT Standard Time, bobgfc@sbcglobal.net writes: > Dissenters Chapel, Ebenezer Chapel, Elim Church, Evangelical Chapel, Free > Church, Puritan Chapel, Ranters Chapel > Frankly all religions are a nonsense to me but does anyone know if the > Wesleyans would be counted amongst those listed above? > These are not religions but Christian Denomonations. Regards Stan Mapstone

Does anyone have any information on the Fawcett Street Chapel, Sunderland in which a relative was married in 1894? For example does it still stand? Her marriage certificate states 'according to the rites and ceremonies of the Wesleyans'. I found a web-site referring to a chapel in Fawcett Street for non-conformists also known as Dissenters Chapel, Ebenezer Chapel, Elim Church, Evangelical Chapel, Free Church, Puritan Chapel, Ranters Chapel Frankly all religions are a nonsense to me but does anyone know if the Wesleyans would be counted amongst those listed above? Bob

If there is anyone else who would like to know any details regarding the book 'Back on the Borough Beat' I have a copy. If they would like to contact me off list I will certainly look into it and help where I can. I have Emailed Judy separately. Sue Leishman Sunderland -----Original Message----- From: Stanmapstone@aol.com [mailto:Stanmapstone@aol.com] Sent: Friday, January 23, 2004 2:20 PM To: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SUNDERLAND] sunderland Police Judy, there are two books about the Sunderland Police, both out of print but held by Sunderland Library. "Back on the Borough Beat", by John Yearnshire, 1987. "History of Sunderland Borough Police", by J. Conlin, 1969. Regards Stan Mapstone ==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== To contact the List Owner send mail to, ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-admin@lists5.rootsweb.com --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.564 / Virus Database: 356 - Release Date: 1/19/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.564 / Virus Database: 356 - Release Date: 1/19/04

Hi All I have recently been trying to access the Sunderland Echo archives re B.M.Death, do they exist, if so how do i obtain access, all help is appreciated. Regards Allan 23/01/04 12:59pm

My gt.grandmother nee Jane Ann McKinley - aka Jean Blaikie moved to Edinburgh and married? Theophile Theveneau. The only marriage certificate I have found is her marriage to John Henry Smith, a mariner 12 April 1884. My Grandfather Isadore Theveneau changed his name to John Henry Smith and married my grandmother Mary Jane Reay under both names they lived in Sunderland. I hope I have made myself clear and if anyone can help with these names I would be grateful Joan Carter

Judy, there are two books about the Sunderland Police, both out of print but held by Sunderland Library. "Back on the Borough Beat", by John Yearnshire, 1987. "History of Sunderland Borough Police", by J. Conlin, 1969. Regards Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 23/01/2004 00:22:22 GMT Standard Time, rowell_genealogy@hotmail.com writes: > know where > I would find the parish records for willington for the years 1860 forward If you go to Places in County Durham http://www.durham.gov.uk/recordoffice/dro.nsf/vwebplaces?OpenView&Startkey=A and search for Willington, you will see what records are held by Durham Record Office. Regards Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 23/01/2004 13:06:12 GMT Standard Time, emmo@emmerson1772.freeserve.co.uk writes: > I have recently been trying to access the Sunderland Echo archives re > B.M.Death, HI Allan, Do you mean from their Web Site http://www.sunderland-echo.co.uk/ ? There appears to be a problem with the link to the archives, with this error message appearing: File or assembly name MK4_ListsFrontEndProvider, or one of its dependencies, was not found. Regards Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 23/01/2004 02:04:29 GMT Standard Time, jfsimms@shaw.ca writes: > my interest is with Edward Vivian Smith - Chief Supt. Sunderland Force. I > would like to find his years of service Hi Judy, your best bet is the North Eastern Police History Society http://www.nepolicehistory.homestead.com/ their message board is at http://www.fastboards.com/boards/board.cgi?user=nephs Regards Stan Mapstone

Hello List, Might anyone on the list have any connection to the Halliday family below living at Willington, Durham in the 1881 and 1891 census and also know where I would find the parish records for willington for the years 1860 forward assuming that they belonged to the Church of England or possibly the Primitive Methodist Church. Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability Henry HALLIDAY Head M Male 47 Hetton Le Hole, Durham, England Blacksmith Elizabeth HALLIDAY Wife M Female 45 Wycliffe, York, England Thomas HALLIDAY Son U Male 19 Willington, Durham, England Laborer At Screens (Coke) Mary HALLIDAY Daur Female 13 Willington, Durham, England Scholar Elizabeth HALLIDAY Daur Female 11 Willington, Durham, England Scholar William HALLIDAY Son Male 9 Willington, Durham, England Scholar John HALLIDAY Son Male 7 Willington, Durham, England Scholar Thanks in advance, Thomas _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/bcomm&pgmarket=en-ca&RU=http%3a%2f%2fjoin.msn.com%2f%3fpage%3dmisc%2fspecialoffers%26pgmarket%3den-ca

Thank you Gerry and Stan - my interest is with Edward Vivian Smith - Chief Supt. Sunderland Force. I would like to find his years of service. I do know that he retired and had a pub named The Ships Inn in Penshaw.(Possibly the 1950's) And I believe his son, Ted Smith, was Fire Chief. I have some super photos but no one wrote on the back to say who was who - which I find is a trait that runs in most families. Although the one with Raich Carter (another connection) can be clearly read - they must have been proud of that one. Best regards - Judy