Stan A bit tardy reply, but can u give more detail of what the two Pallion and Deptford books that have recently been discussed include please? TIA edward Limpsfield, Surrey Using Norton SystemWorks

Hello everyone! I wonder if anyone may be able to help me? I am looking for the following:- Edward GRAHAM (born 1855/56 - South Hetton, Co. Durham. I believe he may have been in the Sunderland area at the time of the 1861 Census (aged 4/5) and the 1871 Census (aged 14/15). If anyone has access to these Census sheets, has the time, and would be willing to look these up for me, I would really really appreciate it. I know Edward is listed on the 1881 Census, as a married man but I have no information at all on his parents, possible brothers, sisters etc, before 1881. I have searched in vain on the Durham and Easington Census - but to no avail. Many thanks for reading this. Regards Susannah

Could any Sunderland expert out there give me an idea of which CofE parish my BROWELL ancestors may have attended? From at least 1873 - 1881, they lived at 7 Lodge Terrace, South Bishopwearmouth. In the 1901 census they are living at 31 Noble Street, Sunderland. Many thanks, Kim Minnesota USA

A search of abebooks.com site showed two copies of the Pallion book for sale from two uk bookseller priced at ca. £10. Peter Adams > For all those who have requested more information of the book: > PALLION 1874-1954. Church and People in a Shipyard Parish by CHG Hopkins > Published 1954 by the Wearside Printing Co Ltd. 22-25 Borough Road > Sunderland. > > No ISBN number. Were they around in 1954? > > I don't know whether the company is still operating, but I would think the > book is out of print. Perhaps and inter-library loan? > Avril > > ______________________________

In a message dated 14/02/2004 15:43:29 GMT Standard Time, peter.adams6@ntlworld.com writes: > A search of abebooks.com site showed two copies of the Pallion book for > sale > from two uk bookseller priced at ca. £10. > Hi Peter, I tried Abebooks but could not find any reference. What did you enter for the search? Regards Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 13/02/2004 21:23:49 GMT Standard Time, AvrilSteward@aol.com writes: > No ISBN number. Were they around in 1954? > Introduced in 1972. Regards Stan Mapstone

For all those who have requested more information of the book: PALLION 1874-1954. Church and People in a Shipyard Parish by CHG Hopkins Published  1954 by the Wearside Printing Co Ltd. 22-25 Borough Road Sunderland. No ISBN number. Were they around in 1954? I don't know whether the company is still operating, but I would think the book is  out of print. Perhaps and inter-library loan? Avril

Thanks for that kind offer, George: I'd really appreciate it. And thanks to all the other responders to my question, too. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Margaret Gardiner" <margaret.gardiner3@btopenworld.com> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 12, 2004 11:53 PM Subject: Re: [SUNDERLAND] Bridge Road-Scotch Church Presbyterian & North Bridge Presbyterian Church > Hi Mike > Regarding the Scotch church in North Bridge Street > Iunderstand that the NDHS in Newcastle holds the records for this church > Would you like me to e-mail some photos of the church which is about 5 > minutes walk from where I live > Will have to wait till the weather brightens up as it is very overcast at > the moment and the only photos which I took last week of the church for > some-one in Australia are a bit on the dark side > Regards > George > Sunderland > > > ==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== > To contact the List Owner send mail to, > ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-admin@lists5.rootsweb.com >

I've found an old photograph at my Mothers. Its the Pallion Institute football team 1910/11. Its 20cm x 15cm and is on a card backing. Unfortunately the bottom half of the card is torn. All I can make out is "Pallion In....." the rest missing and under that "Nonconformist......" However the team has a football in front of them with "PIAFC 1910-11" Its a pity are no names of the people pictured, but one has a very remarkable family likeness and may be my Grandfather. My mother recalls nothing about the photo has my fathers Mother & Father had already died when they met. I was wondering if anyone could shed any light on the "Pallion Institute" of this period. Ben p.s. If anyone would like a copy I can scan it and forward it. ==================================================== http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ben.revell1/Revell.html

My name is Trevor Lace and I collect old pocket watches and research the makers as the history of some of them is fantastic. One of the best watches I have was made in Sunderland by a watch maker called Gowland,details to follow. The watch was made 1807 and is still in perfect working order aprox 197 years old all hand made, this is a watch maker to be proud off. Details I have. George Gowland Born 1759 was working Hylton Ferry Sunderland 1779 to 1790 George Gowland of Sunderland. This Gowland was the son of clockmaker Clement Gowland 1757 - 1824, he was born 1782. he was recorded as a Clockmaker, Watchmaker, Jeweler and Silversmith, working in the High Street. he died in 1829 left a widow called Ann. George Hay Gowland. This maker was the Son of Clement 1791 - 1860 and was born in 1829 he also was a watchmaker, jeweler and silversmith he worked at 178 High Street at least the 1860 1884 period. he took over the shop on his father's death and was in partnership with his brother Clement from 1860 to 1873. I can find a trading reference to them as Gowland G.H. & C of Sunderland in 1854. In 1881 census, George H was living at 3 Ashbrook Terrace, Bishopwearmouth, Durham and his occupation as silversmith & jeweler, he was living there with his wife Mary age 55 and his children Mary Elizabeth 26. Jane C 22. Clement 21, a jewelers assistant. George H 18 a jewelers assistant and Charles J 17. a jewelers assistant. He also had a cook and a housemaid. The British Horological Institute have several papers written by Gowland in their museum. If anyone could help with any other details on the Family Gowland it would be very much appreciated. I am not from the Sunderland area and therefore lack local knowledge. Trevor Lace

> > >> If I remember right, Deptford Dean in the early 1950's was a children's >> play park. >> Deptford Terrace and Deptford Terrace School ran along one side >> of 'the dean' as it was locally known. >> > The book 'Pallion and Deptford' has a photograph of the 'Dene Swifts' football team, in the early 1930s, which played in the dene (sic). at Deptford. The 1919-1926 map on http://www.tomorrows-history.com/ shows the recreation ground as Lilian describes. Regards Stan Mapstone

I've found an old photograph at my Mothers. Its the Pallion Institute football team 1910/11. Its 20cm x 15cm and is on a card backing. Unfortunately the bottom half of the card is torn. All I can make out is "Pallion In....." the rest missing and under that "Nonconformist......" However the team has a football in front of them with "PIAFC 1910-11" Its a pity are no names of the people pictured, but one has a very remarkable family likeness and may be my Grandfather. My mother recalls nothing about the photo has my fathers Mother & Father had already died when they met. I was wondering if anyone could shed any light on the "Pallion Institute" of this period. Ben p.s. If anyone would like a copy I can scan it and forward it. ==================================================== http://homepage.ntlworld.com/ben.revell1/Revell.html

Hi Helen, Thanks for the quick reply. The info is excellent. I've already found the 14yo son John and his family in the 1881 census, living in James Armitage Street. There is a definite connection with that street & Carley Road as they both keep popping up. It's also interesting that John Lamb is shown as Son in Law & unmarried! As for the son George, they did have one with that name and the year & place of birth and occupation are the same. He was married to a woman named Mary but the info I have suggests that she was born in Shields (presumably S. Shields) and was three years younger than him (Freebmd: Marriage Sunderland Dist Dec Qtr 1858 & 1881 Census: RG11 5003/81 91). However, if the daughter, Elizabeth A. was born in 1856 then that marriage registration may not be the same one. I'll have to do some more checking. I look forward to your next instalment. Douglas

Hi Mike Regarding the Scotch church in North Bridge Street Iunderstand that the NDHS in Newcastle holds the records for this church Would you like me to e-mail some photos of the church which is about 5 minutes walk from where I live Will have to wait till the weather brightens up as it is very overcast at the moment and the only photos which I took last week of the church for some-one in Australia are a bit on the dark side Regards George Sunderland

Hi Mike The Scotch church in North Bridge St. is still standing but is now called the HEBRON church Regards George

Listers A possible relative of mine, William CRAWFORD, is listed in the IGI as being christened at both Bridge Road-Scotch Church Presbyterian and North Bridge Presbyterian Church in Monkwearmouth on 18 Nov 1832. Can anyone confirm that these references would be to the same church, and if so which its more usual name would be? Thanks. Mike Mellor Wellington, NZ

The entry in the book "Buildings and Beliefs by Tom Corfe and Geoffrey Milburn, published by Wearside Historic Churches Group in 1984, reads: "1891, by W L Newcombe. The most striking Gothic church north of the river, its tall slender spire surmounted by a weathercock. Decorated nave. Originally Free Church of Scotland, replacing a plain Classical building of 1827." Alan Vickers.

Photo and details of the church are available at http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/public/editable/themes/local-heritage/listedbuildings/details/sunnorth/920111159.htm be sure to cut and paste the whole URL. This site has all of Sunderland's listed buildings. http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/public/editable/themes/local-heritage/listedbuildings/listedbuildings.htm Regards Stan Mapstone

In a message dated 12/02/2004 09:43:16 GMT Standard Time, alan-vickers@lineone.net writes: > "1891, by W L Newcombe. The most striking Gothic church north of the > river, > its tall slender spire surmounted by a weathercock. Decorated nave. > Originally Free Church of Scotland, replacing a plain Classical building of > 1827." > More details; Formerly known as: Free Church of Scotland NORTH BRIDGE STREET.   Presbyterian church with gates attached.   Now Church of the Assemblies of God (Hebron Church).    1891-2.  By W L Newcombe on site of 1827 Scotch Chapel by John Dobson.  Rock faced sandstone with granite shafts and ashlar dressings, quoins and spire.  Roof graduated Lakeland slate.  Sanctuary and aisled nave with West entrance hall, North West entrance porch and South West tower entrance.  Decorated style with perpendicular aisles. Regards Stan Mapstone

Photo and details of the church are available at http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/public/editable/themes/local-heritage/listedbuildings/details/sunnorth/920111159.htm be sure to cut and paste the whole URL. This site has all of Sunderland's listed buildings. http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/public/editable/themes/local-heritage/listedbuildings/listedbuildings.htm Regards Stan Mapstone