hello everyone this is slightly off-topic, but... a mate of mine has a father (alive and kicking in his 60's) who is the 17th of 18 children so i was just wondering if listers can beat this, past or present, within sunderland ? as i say, off-topic, but worth the discussion? cheers andrew

Can anyone tell me the denomination St. Cuthberts Church, Monkwearmouth,in 1897. I have a communion companion book which was presented to Catherine McLeod on the occasion of her first communion at the church on Christmas Day, 1897, by the then vicar, a Rev. McGorrigle or McGonnigle. She was actually confirmed on the 23rd. Any other information about this event, e.g. Catherine's age, address at the time, etc., would be very much appreciated. I have managed to trace a Catherine McLeod in the area and she would have been about 7 in 1897. She was the daughter of Edwin and Dorthy Jane McLeod, of 57, Warwick Street, Monkwearmouth, born 22.3.1890, and was baptised at Whitburn Street Wesleyan Methodist Church (Not St. Cuthberts) on 15.4.1890. I think this could possibly be the Catherine I'm trying to trace, but the age at confirmation puzzles me, as I thought only the Roman Catholic religion confirmed children at such an early age and that Church of England and non-conformists! left this until the children were in their early teens. As I live in Australia and cannot look up local records, it would be much appreciated if anyone can help. Thanks.

There is a Catherine McLeod in the 1901 Census aged 15, so give or take a year she could have been 12 in Dec 1907, which is a more reasonable age for confirmation. The minister was the Rev. William Alexander M'Gonigle. Regards Stan Mapstone

I don't know the address in 1897 but there is Edwin McLeod, a mariner, registered at 16 Churchill Street on the 1899/90 Wards Directory. This street was/is at the back of Mowbray Park off Toward Road.

In a message dated 13/03/2004 09:28:51 GMT Standard Time, lizken@hotkey.net.au writes: > Can anyone tell me the denomination St. Cuthbert's Church, Monkwearmouth, > in 1897. St. Cuthbert's, Hamilton Street, was Church of England. A former Presbyterian Chapel, it was consecrated in July 1880. ........was baptised at Whitburn Street Wesleyan Methodist Church (Not St. Cuthbert's) on 15.4.1890' It is unlikely, but not impossible, that if she was baptised as a Methodist, she would confirmed into the Church of England. If she lived in Warwick Street the nearest the parish church was the Venerable Bede on Newcastle Road. St. Cuthbert's was quite a distance away, although not far from the Whitburn Street chapel. Regards Stan Mapstone

Hello Stan, Would there be no chance of an age in years that early? I suppose the very fact that they were over or under 21 would be nice, At least it would give a ballpark figure to look for a Baptism and Possibly if either were from another Parish again to help with a baptism Entry. Was it by Banns or Licence. Would Durham RO hold the Banns or Licence Application? Yours Frank -----Original Message----- From: Stanmapstone@aol.com [mailto:Stanmapstone@aol.com] Sent: 09 March 2004 09:38 To: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SUNDERLAND] JOHNSON/GREENSIT Marriage In a message dated 08/03/2004 20:48:24 GMT Standard Time, frank-johnson@old-road.freeserve.co.uk writes: > I was wondering if the register would give a More comprehensive entry > I don't know what you mean by 'More comprehensive entry.' Under Hardwicke's Marriage Act 1753, the information recorded in the register is the names of the bride and groom, the date and place, weather the marriage was by banns or licence, the consent of the parents if either of the couple were under the age of 21, the marital status of the bride and groom, and the names of witnesses. Regards Stan Mapstone ==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== History of Sunderland, http://www.sunderland-index.co.uk/history/history01.html

Hi Eric, 1841321/01 page 53Folio 2? RobinsonsLane MUSHANS Mary 20 Yes " Wm 10mths Yes Just thought I'd let you know that a Mushen descendant of Thomasine 1767-1834 has surfaced this last week on St Helena. A case of "wherever you gan........." Avril

In a message dated 08/03/2004 20:48:24 GMT Standard Time, frank-johnson@old-road.freeserve.co.uk writes: > I was wondering if the register would give a > More comprehensive entry > I don't know what you mean by 'More comprehensive entry.' Under Hardwicke's Marriage Act 1753, the information recorded in the register is the names of the bride and groom, the date and place, weather the marriage was by banns or licence, the consent of the parents if either of the couple were under the age of 21, the marital status of the bride and groom, and the names of witnesses. Regards Stan Mapstone

Hello, Could anyone with access to the 1841 or 1851 census for Durham provide me with any informtion concerning George MUSHENS and family. Wife Mary (nee Simmons) (B:1820, D:1869), children William (B:1840, D:1863), Ann (B: 1843), George (B:1845, D:1861), Mary (B:1847, D:1847), John (B:1848, D:1851), Sarah Jane (B:1849), Robert (B:1851, D:1863). Many thanks. Eric Mushins Australia

Hello List, I wonder if anybody has access to Bishopwearmouth Registers 1818 They could check details of The Marriage: 24 August 1818 between James JOHNSON and Margaret GREENSIT I found the reference in Durham Marriages but it gives only the date, names and location. I was wondering if the register would give a More comprehensive entry Yours Frank Frank-johnson@old-road.freeserve.co.uk

Hi, I have just joined the list and am researching the PARKER family who appear in the 1881 Census at Bishopwearmouth. CHARLES W PARKER & CATHERINE PARKER at Willow Pond Ter with 6 children.Charles birthplace states, Nat British Subject, Prussia. I have their Marriage Cert from 1868 when they were both living at Dunning St.Any further info gratefully received. Regards Jan

Could someone with an 1851 census please look up Joesph Vincent (born in Sunderland in early 1845) and his parents John Vincent and Eliza (nee Barron)? Thanks. Ron Hancock

In a message dated 08/03/2004 17:43:09 GMT Standard Time, jan@ampersoft.co.uk writes: > CHARLES W PARKER &CATHERINE PARKER He appears in the 1901 Census, age 57 a Steam Crane Driver, born Germany, a British Subject. Regards Stan Mapstone

Hi All Had to go to Southwick , so I called round to Kipling Street (back of Kwiksave ) in the hope that the old street name plate would still be there as in many cases in that area---but no such luck Regards George

Yep - Gordon Terrace in Southwick, and a Gordon Terrace in Ryhope I am sure the postman loves it DR ----- Original Message ----- From: "marie KERR" <marie@kerr75.fsnet.co.uk> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, March 01, 2004 11:38 PM Subject: Re: [SUNDERLAND] nelson street, southwick, sunderland > While not 100% certain (having left Sunderland in 1971) I think Nelson St > was renamed rather than demolished. My memory of Kipling St is of terraced > cottages which were not new buildings.Also, several streets in Southwick > with the same name as streets on the south side of the river were remamed in > the late 60s including John St in Southwick which was renamed Darwin Street > when I lived there between 1965-1969.Perhaps you could check if there is/was > another Nelson St? Hope this is of some help. > Marie Kerr > marie@kerr75.fsnet.co.uk > > > > ==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== > History of Sunderland, > http://www.sunderland-index.co.uk/history/history01.html > .sunderland-index.co.uk/history/history01.html

In a message dated 01/03/2004 23:39:30 GMT Standard Time, marie@kerr75.fsnet.co.uk writes: > While not 100% certain (having left Sunderland in 1971) I think Nelson St > was renamed rather than demolished. My memory of Kipling St is of terraced > cottages which were not new buildings Looking at the aerial photograph on Multimap it does look as though the cottages are still there. There is a Nelson Street in Ryhope, but post-codes are supposed to avoid any confusion, aren't they (:-)? Regards Stan Mapstone

While not 100% certain (having left Sunderland in 1971) I think Nelson St was renamed rather than demolished. My memory of Kipling St is of terraced cottages which were not new buildings.Also, several streets in Southwick with the same name as streets on the south side of the river were remamed in the late 60s including John St in Southwick which was renamed Darwin Street when I lived there between 1965-1969.Perhaps you could check if there is/was another Nelson St? Hope this is of some help. Marie Kerr marie@kerr75.fsnet.co.uk

I am researching the following names - BANKS : Stretton (Cheshire), Manchester (Lancs) BRADBURY : Lymm (Cheshire) BROWNBILL : St Helens (Lancs) CALLAGHAN : St Helens (Lancs), Ireland DANIELS : Bowdon (Cheshire) GABRIEL : St Helens (Lancs), Liverpool (Lancs) GRATWICH : Barlaston (Staffs) HIGHAM : Lymm (Cheshire), Leigh (Lancs) JOHNSON : Over Peover (Cheshire) JOHNS(T)ON : Wallasey (Cheshire), Birkenhead (Cheshire), Hull (East Riding), North Shields/Tynemouth (Northumberland), Ryton (Co. Durham) JONES : Whitchurch (Shrops) LEIGH : Lymm (Cheshire) MILLER : Lymm (Cheshire), Grappenhall (Cheshire) MOSTON/MOSSON : Lymm (Cheshire), Over Peover (Cheshire), Marthall (Cheshire) NORBURY : Liverpool (Lancs) PERCIVAL : Lymm (Cheshire), Antrobus (Cheshire) RICHARDSON : Lymm (Cheshire), Prescot (Lancs) TABERN : St Helens (Lancs) THOMPSON : North Shields/Tynemouth (Northumberland) WILLIAMSON : Cheshire WINSTANLEY : Lymm (Cheshire) WOOTTON : Barlaston (Staffs), Moddershall (Staffs), Stone (Staffs) I would be pleased to hear from anyone with similar interests. Thanks Tim

Hello Karen I also have SAVAGES with a Sunderland connection James Henry WOODRUFF born in about 1810 in Sunderland married Maria SAVAGE in about 1840. There was some family connection to Savage Shoes - but this is not a branch of our tree that I know a lot about. Perhaps we have a connection Heather *************** > Just today I found my Savage family in Sunderland: > > James and Annie (Cooper) Savage married in 1890 in Milngavie, Scotland > Elizabeth > Catherine (my Grandmother) > James > Alice > Andrew > All the above born in Scotland > Annie born in Sunderland in 1901 (she was less than a month old at the time > of the 1901 census)

In a message dated 29/02/2004 17:37:50 GMT Standard Time, Clannessie@aol.com writes: > My question is does anyone know what companies where in Sunderland that > used > dock fitters? Did Sir John Jackson have an office there? ( I know he had one > > in London). Also did sailing ships, maybe mail ships, leave Sunderland to > South Africa? I am still trying to find passenger lists for the family. > At the time you refer to the South Docks of the River Wear Commissioners were the most important docks on the North-East coast. There was also the North Dock owned by the North Eastern Railway Company. There is no mention of Sir John Jackson in the 1902 Directory. As a major shipbuilding town and exporter of coal, ships would leave Sunderland for South Africa, but it was not a passenger port. Regards Stan Mapstone