David I was very interested to see your posting about the ROWNTREE family. I have an Ann ROWNTREE married to a Thomas MORDEY in my tree. They married in 1808 in Sunderland. children from this marriage are Ann Dorothy Mary Ann Jonathon Alice Edward Margaret Jane John Rowntree (yep - born 1826) Thomas and Stephenson. I have a couple of christenings to check at Holy Trinity to see if I can find more details for Ann ROWNTREES father, I'm hoping for that extra information we get 1798-1812 in the registers. Looking at the IGI (which I always take with a pinch of salt until I've checked the original registers), potentially Ann's parents could be Edward and Dorothy. Particularly when looking at the childrens names and considering the strong naming tradition. Would be interested in sharing information with you although if you think there may be a connection here. My Rowntree information at the moment however is very limited. looking forward to hearing back Diane R Sunderland UK David Rowntree <davtree@bigpond.com> wrote: Have just joined so this may be going over old ground. I am trying to figure out the parishes in Sunderland around the 1800's particularly in Bishopwearmouth. St.Thomas was formed in 1844, what was the parish before that? Where did it get to as it all appears to be St.Michael's now. Also does anyone know what the following was : "Robinson Lane-Nc And Saint Georges-Nc", it appears in the IGI as a parish but I don't know where it is. Also has anyone done any work on the Rowntree name in Bishopwearmouth, I can get back to about 1800 but it gets a bit confused then. David Rowntree Tasmania, Australia ==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from this list send a message to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L-request@rootsweb.com that contains (in the body of the message) the command unsubscribe to unsubscribe from digest send the command unsubscribe to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-D-request@rootsweb.com --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - sooooo many all-new ways to express yourself

Have just joined so this may be going over old ground. I am trying to figure out the parishes in Sunderland around the 1800's particularly in Bishopwearmouth. St.Thomas was formed in 1844, what was the parish before that? Where did it get to as it all appears to be St.Michael's now. Also does anyone know what the following was : "Robinson Lane-Nc And Saint Georges-Nc", it appears in the IGI as a parish but I don't know where it is. Also has anyone done any work on the Rowntree name in Bishopwearmouth, I can get back to about 1800 but it gets a bit confused then. David Rowntree Tasmania, Australia

Hi - wonder if anyone can help? I've searched various mining terms website but have been unable to find the following, which relates to my grandfather, Thomas MORTON who, aged 19 in the 1901 census, was a: Coalminer - off hand (below ground). It's the 'off hand' bit I'm having trouble with. I know he had a clubbed foot, so it's unlikely that he did very manual work. Well, that's a guess on my part. Maybe he didn't have any problems because family anecdotes say that he went on, in later life, to being a 'shot-putter' or some such term. Anyway, he placed the shot for controlled explosions. Clubbed foot and all, he must have been able to run! If anyone know what he would have done as a coalminer 'off hand' I'd be obliged. Cheers, Jackie

<<<<In a message dated 24/06/2004 14:13:59 GMT Daylight Time, davtree@bigpond.com writes: Also does anyone know what the following was: "Robinson Lane-Nc And Saint Georges-Nc", it appears in the IGI as a parish but I don't know where it is.>>>> Nc means non-conformist, they are not Parishes, this is an illustration of IGI gobbledegook. You should treat everything from the IGI with extreme caution. Robinson's Lane was a Calvanistic Presbyterian Meeting House, founded in 1739 by a secession of part of the congregation from the Corn Market Chapel. St. George's, in Belvedere Road, built in 1890, was originally a Presbyterian church. It replaced the Villiers Street Chapel (1825), which in turn had replaced the Robinson's Lane meeting house. It is now a United Reform Church. Regards Stan Mapstone

<<<<In a message dated 24/06/2004 14:13:59 GMT Daylight Time, davtree@bigpond.com writes: I am trying to figure out the parishes in Sunderland around the 1800's particularly in Bishopwearmouth.>>>>> Church of England Parishes in Sunderland: Bishopwearmouth St. Michael and All Angels is an Ancient parish of the Diocese of Durham. Parts of this parish became part of these parishes: Bishopwearmouth Christ Church (1875); Bishopwearmouth St. Gabriel (1904); Bishopwearmouth St. Nicholas (1936); Bishopwearmouth St. Peter (1868); Bishopwearmouth St. Thomas (1844); Bishopwearmouth (Ayres Quay) St. Stephen (1875); Deptford St. Andrew (1844); Hendon St. Paul (1854); Millfield St. Hilda (1894); Millfield St. Mark (1868); Ryhope St. Paul (1854); Silksworth St. Matthew (1868); South Hylton St. Mary (1854); Sunderland Holy Trinity (1719) Monkwearmouth St. Peter Ancient parish of the Diocese of Durham. Parts of this parish became part of these parishes: Monkwearmouth All Saints (1844); Monkwearmouth St. Cuthbert (1880); Monkwearmouth Venerable Bede (1871); Southwick Holy Trinity (1847) Regards Stan Mapstone

<<<In a message dated 24/06/2004 12:50:57 GMT Daylight Time, jem.wickets@btinternet.com writes: Coalminer - off hand (below ground).>>> Hi Jackie, Off Hand Man, Odd Worker, Day Labourer, Day Hand, Dataller, Datal Worker: These are general terms for men or boys employed above or below ground and paid by the day. Those below ground were mostly employed in constructional and repair work, timbering, roofing, laying roadways, clearing away debris, etc. Regards Stan Mapstone

I have been hunting for tthese BAILEY's for a long while. I know John Baileyof Northants married a Sarah u/k in the 1850's. Later census data give her bpl as Aycliffe Durham as well as that of their son, John Bailey. I have tried Church, civil reg and census data for 1851 and 61 for the Aycliffe and surrounding area with no luck at all. The only thing that comes close is a FreeBMD ref to the marriage of a John BAILEY to possibly a Sarah ANKERS/ANGUS in Sutherland in 1859. Since certificates in Canadian dollars are quite expensiveand this is really a fishing expedition I would like to have a bit more info before I order it. I'm wondering if there are any church records, presumably Cof E that some one could do a lookup for me or is there a site for Sutherland like the Teesvalley Index to which I can e-mail or write for verification John's father was John BAILEY and I believe he would have been a widower already when he married Sarah. Thanks Sandie Ellicott

Thomas BELLERBY was b. July 8 1848 in Sunderland. Place of birth was 'Green Bishopwearmouth Co. Durham' I take this to be 'The Green' beside Bishopwearmouth Church. Father Robert, mother Eliuzabeth Richardson. He went on to live in Cullercoats Northumberland. Does anyone have any knowledge of This BELLERBY family or of any other Bellerbys in Sunderland. Ther is a Robert Bellerby on the 1881 census b. Sunderland and age 30.-seems likely to be connected. Betty.

Hello, Can anyone please help me find the marriage of Alice Bown to Donald Mackinnon believed to have taken place in Sunderland in approximately 1896. In 1881 according to the Census she was 6 years old and was residing with her mother Lauretta Bown ,Mariners Wife,at 46 Parade Bishopwearmouth Durham. She gave birth to a daughter Elsie Mackinnon on the 28th of October 1903 at 22 Wear St Sunderland. I would greatly appreciate any information on this family. With Regards Bill Maddock

Good morning I am new to this list and posting my quest to find my great-grandfather John TURNER (b. 8th March 1861 surname HENDERSON) at Sunderland, Co. Durham. John's mother Mary HENDERSON (nee TURNS) remarried after her first husband Robert died. She married William TURNER Feb. 2, 1868, making John about 7 years old at the time. Mary and William raised John's son as theirs. The mother of John's son was a Sarah BRANCH. I am currently trying to find John TURNER. Not sure if he would have kept his birth name or used his stepfather's last name, as in the 1881, census when/if he married. There are two John TURNERs in the 1891 census age 30 and born Sunderland but marriage registrations don't seem to fit. No John HENDERSONs at all in the age rang 28-32 in 1891. Would love to hear if perhaps anyone has a John TURNER married, after 1880, with father Robert HENDERSON (Blacksmith) or William TURNER (Joiner) listed on marriage registration. My apologies to those list members also on the NORTHUMBRIA and DUR-NBL lists if you have heard this before. Thanks and have a great day. Murray Jones Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada

With thanks to the D&G list.... ...The BBC has just announced that the British Library has decided to put 100 years of 19th century newspapers online . http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3795631.stm The new website will be online within the next 18 months edward Limpsfield, Surrey Using Norton SystemWorks

<<<In a message dated 11/06/2004 05:10:00 GMT Daylight Time, Mushins@aol.com writes: However, several others - Mary (D 1847), George (D 1861), William (D 1863), and Robert (D 1863) are not listed. They probably all lived in or near the Deptford area.>>>>> Bishopwearmouth Cemetery was opened in 1856, and the old one in Thornton Place closed, so Mary would be buried in the old cemetery. If the others were not buried in Bishopwearmouth then there was Sunderland Cemetery, on Ryhope Road, opened in 1858, and Mere Knolls Cemetery opened in 1856. For available records see http://www.thenortheast.com/archives/UserGuides/01_Cemeteries.html Regards Stan Mapstone

In an old list of burials at Bishopwearmouth Cemetery I have 2 MUSHENS relatives listed between 1863 and 1869. However, several others - Mary (D 1847), George (D 1861), William (D 1863), and Robert (D 1863) are not listed. They probably all lived in or near the Deptford area. Any suggestions where they may be buried and how I may be able to follow this up? Kind regards, Eric Mushins Australia

On 8th June I asked: >In 1931 W. Layton PETRIE was, I believe, the Vicar of a Holy Trinity Church, the one in >either Southwick, Sunderland, or Stockton-on-Tees. For the record, I can now answer my own question, thanks to the suggestion from Avril that I consult an old Crockford's Clerical Directory. The name was actually Stanley Layton PETRIE. He was vicar of Holy Trinty Parish Church, Stockton on Tees, having left the parish of St. Barnabas, Hendon, in 1929. Also, the vicar of Holy Trinity, Southwick, was J.R BARKER, and for Holy Trinity, Sunderland it was W.R.DAWSON. This info. is from Crockford's, 1933, and before anybody asks, I am not related to any of these gentlemen. Adrian, Hants

I would like to hear from anyone with JOHNS(T)ONs from North Shields, Tynemouth, Hebburn or Sunderland around 1824/1828. Tim

I am researching the following names - BANKS : Stretton (Cheshire), Manchester (Lancs) BRADBURY : Lymm (Cheshire) BROWNBILL : St Helens (Lancs) CALLAGHAN : St Helens (Lancs), Ireland DANIELS : Bowdon (Cheshire) GABRIEL : St Helens (Lancs), Liverpool (Lancs), Dublin (Ireland) GARDNER : Dublin (Ireland) GRATWICH : Barlaston (Staffs) HIGHAM : Lymm (Cheshire), Leigh (Lancs) JOHNSON : Over Peover (Cheshire) JOHNS(T)ON : Wallasey (Cheshire), Birkenhead (Cheshire), Hull (East Riding), North Shields/Tynemouth (Northumberland), Ryton (Co. Durham) JONES : Whitchurch (Shrops) LEIGH : Lymm (Cheshire) MILLER : Lymm (Cheshire), Grappenhall (Cheshire) MOSTON/MOSSON : Lymm (Cheshire), Over Peover (Cheshire), Marthall (Cheshire) NORBURY : Liverpool (Lancs) PERCIVAL : Lymm (Cheshire), Antrobus (Cheshire) RICHARDSON : Lymm (Cheshire), Prescot (Lancs) TABERN : St Helens (Lancs) THOMPSON : North Shields/Tynemouth (Northumberland) WILLIAMSON : Cheshire WINSTANLEY : Lymm (Cheshire) WOOTTON : Barlaston (Staffs), Moddershall (Staffs), Stone (Staffs) I would be pleased to hear from anyone with similar interests. Thanks Tim

Hi, Not sure if this is the same chap but there cannot be many Layton Petrie as vicars in the NE in the first quarter of the 20th C: Church St. Barnabas, Hendon, is an ecclesiastical parish formed May 26, 1876, from that of St. Paul. The church, in Suffolk street south, built in 1866-68, is an edifice of red brick and stone, in the Early English style, consisting of apsidal chancel, clerestoried nave, aisles and west porch: there are 600 sittings. The register dates from the year 1876. The living is a vicarage, net yearly value £363, in the gift of the rector of Hendon, and held since 1915 by the Rev. Stanley Layton Petrie, of Hatfield Hall, Durham. [Kelly's Durham Directory (1925), page 456.] ----- Original Message ----- From: <ADRABBOTT@aol.com> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2004 10:53 AM Subject: [SUNDERLAND] Holy Trinity Church; W. Layton PETRIE > In 1931 W. Layton PETRIE was, I believe, the Vicar of a Holy Trinity Church, > the one in either Southwick, Sunderland, or Stockton-on-Tees. (It appears > that in 1925 he was in Hendon, Sunderland, so Southwick seems more likely). > Since I am the best part of 300 miles from the DRO, does anybody know which > church he was at, from a BMD certificate, for instance? > Adrian, Hants > > > ==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== > Hylton Castle, > http://blake.sunderland.ac.uk/~ta5msy/castle.htm > >

Adrian, I suggest you go to a local reference library that has back editions of Crockford Clerical Directory ( C of E yearly handbook) for the appropriate years, it should reveal all re Rev. Petrie. Avril

In 1931 W. Layton PETRIE was, I believe, the Vicar of a Holy Trinity Church, the one in either Southwick, Sunderland, or Stockton-on-Tees. (It appears that in 1925 he was in Hendon, Sunderland, so Southwick seems more likely). Since I am the best part of 300 miles from the DRO, does anybody know which church he was at, from a BMD certificate, for instance? Adrian, Hants

Can I just say that I've had a problem with the 1901 Census where names such as George and Edward were abbreviated to Geo. and Edw., and transcribed as such, so if you don't put the abbreviations in, or use a wildcard as Stan suggests you will not find the person you are looking for. This could occur with a name like Albert.......... edward Limpsfield, Surrey Using Norton SystemWorks