Hello All, I was reading an article in one of the family history periodicals concerning statutory notices given to licensee's regarding habitual drunkards. I have an original notice issued to the licensee of the Aberdeen Arms, Wear Street, Sunderland, with photograph. The person mentioned was a Mrs Ellen Cockburn, 10 Garden Court, Monkwearmouth, Sunderland. her conviction dated Feb 3rd. 1903 at Sunderland Police Court. On the reverse side of the notice is a copy of the habitual drunkards-licensing act 1902, signed by the then chief constable a Mr Carter. 20th Feb 1903. I wondered if anyone has an Ellen Cockburn,b.1869 amongst their interests( and would admit to same !!) and if so would they like a copy. My father got hold of this notice after amalgamating his firm with that of a very old Sunderland solicitor, Tindall Green, who was probably "on the case". Regards, Derek. Interests- LAMBERT, DOBSON, PURVIS, PRYDE(Hendon bakery), REED,STEPHENSON,SPARLING,SCOTT, RUSSELL.

Hi Folks, Thanks for your help I was able to view all the messages as directed. I am trying to trace the family of Daniel Duggan and Jessie Law (later spelt Lowe). They were living in Seaham when the 1891 census was taken but I have been told they later moved to Sunderland to an area called Red Hill (?). I would be grateful for any help received, our family surname sometime appears spelt Dugan or Dougan so it tends to make things a bit more difficult. Kind Regards, Paddy Duggan.

Hi Folks, I am new to this list, is it on air yet as there does not appear to be any traffic coming my way. Kind Regards, Paddy Duggan.

The Smith's Arms, and the Old Mill, Southwick Green were built in the 1820s, and stood a few yards apart. The property between the pubs was a blacksmiths during the 19th cent, hence the name. After the closure of the Smiths' Arms an effort was made to save the building as part of Southwick's heritage, but this failed and in 1984 it suffered the same fate as the Old Mill which was demolished three years before. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

In a message dated 10/07/2004 22:23:17 GMT Daylight Time, sheila.titcombe@virgin.net writes: My ancestor William Miles married Elizabeth Reynolds in the "parish church in the parish of Sunderland" on 20 November 1859, witnesses Thomas Smith and Elizabeth Colling Miles. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>... The parish church of Sunderland was Holy Trinity, opened in 1719, Tyne and Wear Archive Service have the baptism records on microfilm, see http://www.thenortheast.com/archives/ "William was a "rigger" so I presume he must have gone away to sea at times." Not necessarily, riggers were also employed in shipbuilding, the major industry in Sunderland. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

In a message dated 10/07/2004 10:42:39 GMT Daylight Time, Epaxton@aol.com writes: Has anyone come across "Pasturian" which is what it looks like? or for the same person "Husbandman"? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Edward, Husbandman is a term that can describe an occupation, the cultivation of the land "farming", or to designate status in which sense it usually applies to a small-holder, who might also have to work on the land of larger owners to maintain himself, a tenant farmer. As for "Pasturian" there does not appear to be any such word. All I can think of is that he let out grazing pasture for the fattening of cattle or sheep, and it could be "pastureman". Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

In a message dated 17/07/2004 05:14:20 GMT Daylight Time, paddystop@ozonline.com.au writes: Hi Folks, I am new to this list, is it on air yet as there does not appear to be any traffic coming my way. Hi Paddy, If you go to _http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND/2004-07_ (http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND/2004-07) you can see all of the 27 messages that have been posted to the list in July Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

Dear List I am a new subscriber to this list and are hoping that someone can help me with my enquiry. > > My great grandfather, James CUTTER, was employed as an underground horsekeeper with the Wearmouth Colliery in Southwick, Sunderland. > > On or around 1924/25 he was kicked by a horse while at work which resulted in him losing his sight. As a result, he spent the last 25 years of his life blind and much of that time living alone in Southwick. There are some great stories handed down about how he got around including knowing the number of steps to the tram stop, the number of steps from the tram to his favourite pub on The Green and being able to find his spot at the bar from some notches he carved into the bar. > > Having had the opportunity to spend some time in Southwick last year, I was able to find 2 pubs still in existence (the TRAM CAR INN and the SUN INN), however, I could not find the pub my great grandfather used to frequent, the SMITHS ARMS (which is what I understand it was called). > > My questions are: > > 1.. Can anyone confirm that the SMITHS ARMS existed in Southwick? > 2.. If it did exist, where exactly was it located? > 3.. Does anyone know where I could find any old photographs of this pub or The Green, Southwick or even an old map showing exactly where the pubs were/are located? > Any help would be very gratefully appreciated. > > Kind Regards > > Grahame McDonald > Sydney Australia

Hello, I've got ancestors attending St Barnabas, Middle Hendon. I cannot find microfilms of these records in the LDS library search. Does anyone on the list know if these records are included as part of a larger/different grouping? Many thanks, Kim Minnesota USA

Since making my earlier posting I have located a copy of "Southwick on Wear - an Illustrated History" by Peter Gibson and on page 24 there is a photo of The Smiths Arms with the caption: "The Old Mill and The Smiths Arms were built in the 1820s. The Smiths Arms is seen here in about 1946, was demolished in August 1984 after standing derelict for four or five years, and after an attempt failed by a local councillor to have it listed as a building of architectural interest...." Regarding The Old Mill pub, referred to above, there is a photo on the same page and a note that it closed as a pub in the mid 1970s and was used forr a time as an electric shop. It was demolished in September 1981. Alan Vickers.

There are books on the history of Southwick produced by Peter Gibson which may have information on this. There are notes and photos of Southwick Green and of the Robert Thompson Memorial on George Graham's website at http://pages.progidy.net/ghgraham/southwickgreen.htm Hope that this is of some help. Alan Vickes.

There is a Southwick History and Preservation Society. I have it listed in my favourites site as: _http://www.rootsweb.com/~engshps/index.html_ (http://www.rootsweb.com/~engshps/index.html) Hope you may found this useful. Hope it's still in existence. Avril

Give to Tony Blare and the Queen please! Dear Edward , Ken,Tony Blare ,and Her Royal Majesty Queen Elizabeth, This is your Peverel-Peverley- Durham and Yorkshire, England neighbors of 1600 reporting in. Does this make any sense. A Reverend is a Pastor. Durham was full of early Puritans and they refuse to call anyone Reverend but God. Thus ,could this possibly be Pasturian meaning the Pastor?? Ken's idea is also interesting. Hi guys our ancestors maybe knew each other. President Bush is a Peverel cousin so we are routing for him to be re elected. Bless ,Tony Blare and Her Royal Majesty ( also a cousin)for helping us in the Iraq War. You will never be sorry you stood by us! Thank you!Thank you! Just wanted you to know we all love you over here! Love June and the Groups of Peverel cousins in the USA( about 7,000) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ken Urwin" <ken@kurwin.freeserve.co.uk> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, July 11, 2004 9:03 AM Subject: Re: [SUNDERLAND] Occupation help > Hi there, Edward, > > Now that the occupation of Husbandman has been explained and solved for you, > how's this for an educated guess for your query of the occupation > 'Pasturian?' It could possibly be Pastureman, which might suggest also > something to do with farming although I haven't heard of it myself. > > Regards, > Ken Urwin. > > > > > ==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== > To contact the List Owner send mail to, > ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-admin@lists5.rootsweb.com >

Hi there, Edward, Now that the occupation of Husbandman has been explained and solved for you, how's this for an educated guess for your query of the occupation 'Pasturian?' It could possibly be Pastureman, which might suggest also something to do with farming although I haven't heard of it myself. Regards, Ken Urwin.

I am new to this list and wonder if any kind soul can help me out here please? My ancestor William Miles married Elizabeth Reynolds in the "parish church in the parish of Sunderland" on 20 November 1859, witnesses Thomas Smith and Elizabeth Colling Miles. Does anyone have access to the baptism registers for this church to see if they had any children at all baptised here please as I cannot find Willam & Elizabeth Miles until the 1881 census when they were living at 90 Maxwell Street, Westhoe, Co. Durham. They both state they were from Lynn in Norfolk but are proving totally elusive to find. William was a "rigger" so I presume he must have gone away to sea at times. Is there a surname index available for the 1861 or 1871 or 1891 census at all please? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you. Sheila

Edward - as far as I am able to find from my records the Vicar of All Saints from 1849 to 1886 was Rev. Benjamin C Kennicott. Alan Vickers.

Brilliant - I can see that now, but it was such a blur! Thanks a lot. edward Limpsfield, Surrey Using Norton SystemWorks

Thanks Avril - that is great. I wasn't even sure I'd read 'husbandman' properly!! edward Limpsfield, Surrey Using Norton SystemWorks

Husbandman was a tenant farmer, according The Family Historian's Enquire Within. the dictionary definition is a man who cultivates the ground, farmer. I pass on the other occupation, though probably something to do with farming.

Many thanks to Shan for giving me the info and the census image - perfect! Regards, Fiona Wilson Sheffield, UK