Hi everyone, I have an original certificate showing the marriage of the above couple - i.e. it is the copy which was handed to the happy couple - dated 23rd November 1830. The marriage took place in the Parish Church of Bishopwearmouth. It is a printed form (page 186 entry 558) which has been completed in ink by the Curate of Bishopwearmouth - Ch Grant LLB and is signed as a "true Extract" completed on the day they were married. Unfortunately I don't know who they were. I have a Mary Ann Potts born in Deptford, Sunderland in 1832 whose father was Thomas, but have not been able to trace her birth to confirm whether or not this couple are her parents. I've looked through large chunks of the 1841 census for the family, but without success so far. There is a Mary Ann Potts on IGI with a father Thomas but her mother is Eliza Bailey. On her marriage certificate her father's occupation is Railway Contractor and she married in Gateshead in 1854 but haven't been able to find her on the 1851 census either. Does anyone have this couple in their family? The certificate was one of many I found when clearing out my grandmother's possessions when she died and if they were Mary Ann's parents they would be my grandmother's g-grandparents. Any help with solving this mystery would be very gratefully received. Thanks. Pat

Ken, While I don't have any Collins in my connections I did come across some living in the same boarding house From the 1891 Census RG12/4129 folio 81 page 1, 4 Farringdon Row ... a few families at this address... Lancelot Collins, head, marr, 28, brewers Drayman, sunderland Anne ", wife, marr, 26, sunderland John ", son, 4, sunderland Hope this helps Cheers John Crickmore Canberra, Australia > -----Original Message----- > From: Ken Peterson > > > Hello, > I am new to this list, am researching various families from > Sunderland as follows. COLLINS, LUCKLEY, BOWREN, REVEL, I > have them mainly about 1780-1850 based in Sunderland, if > anyone has any possible connection would love to hear from > them. Regards Ken Peterson

In a message dated 15/08/2004 20:00:42 GMT Daylight Time, familytree92@yahoo.ca writes: We are interested in finding out information about the “SHIP INN” on 11 Cross St. in Southwick. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just to avoid any confusion, the Ship Inn was on the corner of Cross Street and Collin Place, but it is in the directories as being at 1 Collin Place Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

In a message dated 15/08/2004 20:00:42 GMT Daylight Time, familytree92@yahoo.ca writes: Are there directories that would list the inn keepers between 1881 into the 1900’s? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In Kelly's 1902 Directory the Publican of the Ship Inn 1 Collin Place was Joseph Hall. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

In a message dated 15/08/2004 20:00:42 GMT Daylight Time, familytree92@yahoo.ca writes: Are there directories that would list the inn keepers between 1881 into the 1900’s? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Try Digital Library of Historical Directories http://www.historicaldirectories.org/ Southwick was incorporated into Sunderland in 1928, this brought the pubs in the district under Sunderland's licensing authorities. In a decade eight Southwick pubs were closed. At the Brewster Sessions in 1929 the Chief Constable opposed the renewal of three licences these were the Ship Inn public house, 1 Collin Place; Pedestrian Arms beerhouse, 25 Victoria Street, and the Glassmakers' Arms beerhouse, 31 Sunderland Road. The grounds for the Police objections were given as the premises being unnecessary, structurally deficient and unsuitable. The Bench agreed that all three licences should be reported for compensation. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

We are interested in finding out information about the �SHIP INN� on 11 Cross St. in Southwick . I understand it doesn�t exist anymore. We know my husband�s gt. grandfather, Edward FOX became the innkeeper after WWI. Are there directories that would list the inn keepers between 1881 into the 1900�s? Where might I find photos of the Ship Inn? Thank you. Judy Mann --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals

I�m wondering if someone with the 1891 census can please help me out with a family ? I�m looking for William MANN abt. age 48 born in Norfolk and wife Ruth. On the 1881 census he�s age 38 and the Inn Keeper of the Ship Inn, 11 Cross St. in Southwick. My husband�s MANN family came from Norfolk before moving to Southwick abt. 1863/4. His gt. grandfather, Edward Fox was the Inn Keeper of the Ship Inn in Southwick after WWI. Thank you for any help. Judy Mann Canada --------------------------------- Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals

In a message dated 14/08/2004 22:05:02 GMT Daylight Time, andrew.mccletchie@virgin.net writes: was the manager of a shop in gladstone street, roker, approx 1890-1920 the owners may well have been a family called byfield >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From Kelly's 1914 Directory; 106 Gladstone Street, Joseph Byfield, Pawnbroker. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

There was a Sunderland Pawnbrokers' Association, and the Berger family was said to have been the oldest pawnbrokering family business established in the town. In 1894 there were 46 Pawnbrokers in Sunderland, none in Gladstone Street. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

In a message dated 14/08/2004 22:05:02 GMT Daylight Time, andrew.mccletchie@virgin.net writes: has anyone any leads into discovering the history of this type of shop... >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See http://6.1911encyclopedia.org/P/PA/PAWNBROKING.htm Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

hello everybody on the subject of pawnbrokers shops, my great-grandfather, Andrew McFarlan McCletchie, was the manager of a shop in gladstone street, roker, approx 1890-1920 the owners may well have been a family called byfield, possibly sisters has anyone any leads into discovering the history of this type of shop...what i really, really want is to obtain a photo of the staff outside the shop, the way they used to pose years ago any help is appreciated cheers andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Anderson" <joanchantelle@onetel.com> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, August 14, 2004 12:25 PM Subject: [SUNDERLAND] Fw: Pawn shop > > I have two photo's of my aunt outside the pawn shop in Southwick where she worked nearly all her working life, together with her employer who I understand was Jewish. Could anyone identify the shop for me if I sent the photo's to you?? > > > ==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== > The Lambton Worm, > http://orac.sunderland.ac.uk/lambton.html >

Joan Anderson writes about a southwick pawnbrokers, I lived at 2 Dunelm, Durham Rd, late 40's & early 50's next door was a Jewish family called GOLDMAN, I'm sure they owned a pawnbrokers in southwick. I am not certain but it could have been around Stoney Lane, which lead down to the Queen Alexandra bridge. Derek Lambert.

I have a photo taken at the Junior Technical School-? Southwick or Sunderland, with the following boys on. I will happily e-mail a copy to anyone with connections. It was taken around 1923. Billy Southern George Johnson Edgar Smith Harry Batty Maurice Swan Herbert Craig Frank Earl Howard ? Aishe Issac Goldberg George ?Powder or Pomder Leslie Douglas Cecil Rich Dennis Walwork Charles Seymour Willie Crosby Stan ? Swanney Tommy Elston John Robinson Allan Farrar Fred Fennel Kenneth Simpson Mr George Aitcheson [teacher] Alan Emmerson Leon Pournin Cyril Welch Richard Bow

I have two photo's of my aunt outside the pawn shop in Southwick where she worked nearly all her working life, together with her employer who I understand was Jewish. Could anyone identify the shop for me if I sent the photo's to you??

In a message dated 14/08/2004 00:37:18 GMT Daylight Time, tmg@blueyonder.co.uk writes: but in those days a ha'penny bought a lot of sweets. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It certainly did. I remember going to the Saturday matinee at the Roker Cinema, and deciding whether to go in the stalls for one penny and getting a pennyworth of sweets, or living it up and going in the circle for two pence and doing without the sweets. At least in the circle there was no chance of 'objects' landing on your head! Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

You could try the Southwick History And Preservation Society http://www.rootsweb.com/~engshps/index.html there is a contact Email address. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

My thanks to Stan and Trish for information on Hardcastle's Slip. I think I've managed to locate it on the current A-Z maps with Stan's information. Since the Wear is tidal, I guess that a body found at Hardcastle's Slip (which seems to have been approximately along what is now Corporation Quay) could have entered the water anywhere along the river or in the docks. Adrian.

It was in the mid 30s Stan and I shudder now when I think of it but in those days a ha'penny bought a lot of sweets. Thank you and Adrian for the memory of carefree ( if dangerous.) days. Regards Trish ----- Original Message ----- From: <Stanmapstone@aol.com> To: <tmg@blueyonder.co.uk>; <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 11:20 PM Subject: Re: [SUNDERLAND] Hardcastle's Slip > In a message dated 13/08/2004 15:54:58 GMT Daylight Time, > tmg@blueyonder.co.uk writes: > What memories you stirred up. As children we would swim across to save the > ha'penny it cost for the ferry. > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > > My Trish, you were taking a chance! I don't know when this was, but I had to > take soundings in the river in the 1950s, and the smell of the sewage then > was very noticeable. I would not have gone in the water for anything. > > Regards Stan Mapstone > www.mapstone.org > > >

As I remember it Adrian it was at Roker between the Harbour and the River and connected with Hendon , if my memory is playing tricks perhaps someone will correct me as to its exact location, but that is where I remember it. I hope this helps. Trish ----- Original Message ----- From: ADRABBOTT@aol.com To: tmg@blueyonder.co.uk ; ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 6:00 PM Subject: Re: [SUNDERLAND] Hardcastle's Slip In a message dated 13/08/2004 16:02:45 GMT Standard Time, tmg@blueyonder.co.uk writes: What memories you stirred up. As children we would swim across to save the ha'penny it cost for the ferry. Trish; Thankyou - so there was a ferry. But where was it, please? Adrian

In a message dated 13/08/2004 15:54:58 GMT Daylight Time, tmg@blueyonder.co.uk writes: What memories you stirred up. As children we would swim across to save the ha'penny it cost for the ferry. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My Trish, you were taking a chance! I don't know when this was, but I had to take soundings in the river in the 1950s, and the smell of the sewage then was very noticeable. I would not have gone in the water for anything. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org