Argyle House was a private school. It still exists although it is now ARGYLE HOUSE SCHOOL19-20 Thornhill Park, Sunderland, Tyne and Wear SR2 7LA. http://www.isbi.com/isbi-viewschool/2654-ARGYLE_HOUSE_SCHOOL.html It could be that the original premises were on Belvedere Road, Sunderland, and they subsequently moved to Thornhill Park. Perhaps another lister can confirm this? In 1941 the school would have been evacuated, so the premises could have been requisitioned by the forces. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

 Hi Murray Thank you very much. I did know most of what you supplied but I was surprised at extra info you found. There is an poss extra in 1871 CHARLES Albert 3 yrs and where he may have been in 1891 (London) I was also trying to trace Wilfred in 1891 & you have possibly solved a mystery for me. Wilfred married an Iasabel b. Tanfield and I'll put money on that it is the daughter of the house in 1891. My line is through his sister MARY E. and she married a butcher from Chester-le-Street in 1901 I couldn't think how they met but I bet it was through Isabel's family living in Chester-le-Street. For list info 1871 GEORGE H COATES is in Staffordshire 1871 ALFRED H COATES is in Warminster 1891 EDWIN COATES is in Huddersfield 1913 Poss mention North Riding Yorkshire (Coneysthorpe) Again thank you for your excellent help. Tony Surtees tsurt@btinternet.com -----Original Message----- From: Murray Jones [mailto:joneswm@accesscomm.ca] Sent: 23 August 2004 16:46 To: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SUNDERLAND] Coates of Sunderland Hi Tony Thought you might like Wilfred in 1871 and 1891 if you don't already have him and family. Maybe found som eother members of family in 1891. Take care Murray Jones Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada *********************************************** Household Record 1881 British Census Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Benjamin W. COATES Head M Male 47 Almondbury, York Bookseller & Printer Employing 2 Men 8 Boys Martha M. COATES Wife M Female 40 Worcester, Worcester Edwin W. COATES Son U Male 18 Huddersfield, York Booksellers Assistant >Wilfred COATES Son U Male 15 Warminster, Wiltshire Booksellers Assistant George H. COATES Son Male 12 Warminster, Wiltshire Scholar Alfred H. COATES Son Male 11 Warminster, Wiltshire Scholar Mary E. COATES Daur Female 8 Warminster, Wiltshire Scholar Alice M. COATES Daur Female 7 Warminster, Wiltshire Scholar Elsie K. COATES Daur Female 6 Warminster, Wiltshire Scholar Margaret G. COATES Daur Female 4 Warminster, Wiltshire Henry Miller CATER Visitor M Male 48 London, Middlesex Commercial Traveller Jane Eliza CATER Visitor M Female 43 Mile End, Middlesex Mary Ann LAY Serv U Female 20 Upton Scudamore, Wiltshire General Serv Annie PEARCE Serv U Female 17 Warminster, Wiltshire Nursemaid Dom Serv Source Information: Dwelling 15 Market Place Census PlaceWarminster, Wiltshire, England Family History Library Film 1341495 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 2056 / 12 Page Number 17 *************************************************** 1871 England Census Civil parish: Warminster Ecclesiastical parish: Warminster Christchurch Town: Warminster County/Island: Wiltshire Country: England Street address: Market Place (no # given) Source information: RG10/1933 Registration district: Warminster Sub-registration district: Warminster ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Folio: 53 Page: 16 Household schedule number: 80 Folio: 53 Page: 16 Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Benjamin Walter Contes* 27 Almondbury, Yorkshire Head Bookseller Printer & Sationer Employing 3 Men 1 Boy Martha Matilda Contes* 29 Worcestershire Wife Edwin Walter Contes* 8 Huddersfield, Yorkshire Son Arthur Contes* 6 Warminster, Wiltshire Son Wilfred Contes* 5 Warminster, Wiltshire Son Charles Albert Contes* 3 Warminster, Wiltshire Son * Mistranscribed - should be Coates Folio: 54 Page: 17 Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Alfred Herbert Coates 1 Warminster, Wiltshire Son George Henry Coates 2 Warminster, Wiltshire Son Ellen Herly 46 Monkton Deverill, Wiltshire Servant Martha Wheeler 17 Winterbourne Stoke, Wiltshire Servant Domsetic Servant ************************************** 1891 Census Civil parish: Warminster Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch Town: Warminster County: Wiltshire Street address: 15 Market Place Source information: RG12/1609 Registration district: Warminster Sub registration district: Warminster ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Folio: 101 Page: 13 NameAge in 1891BirthplaceRelationship to head-of-house Coates, Benj. W 57 Almondbury, Yorkshire Head Coates, Martha M 50 Worcester, Worcestershire Wife Coates, Elsie K 16 Warminster, Wiltshire Daughter Coates, Alfred H 21 Warminster, Wiltshire Son Coates, Alice Mabel 17 Warminster, Wiltshire Daughter ******************************************* 1891 Civil parish: Westbury Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew Town: County: Gloucestershire Street address: 6 Portland Street Source information: RG12/1987 Registration district: Barton Regis Sub registration district: Westbury ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Folio: 18 Page: 29 Name Age in 1891 Birthplace Relationship to head-of-house Coates, Geroge H 22 Single Warminster, Wiltshire Tenant Print Seller ******************************************** 1891 Census Civil parish: Chester le Street Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary and St Cuthbert Town: Chester-le-Street County: Durham Street address: Lumley Terrace Source information: RG12/4119 Registration district: Chester Le Street Sub registration district: Chester le Street ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Folio: 98 Page: 10 Name Age in 1891 Birthplace Relationship to head-of-house Armstrong, Isabel 29 Tanfield, Durham Daughter Armstrong, Margery 72 Ryton, Durham Wife Armstrong, Thomas 69 Wylam, Northumberland Head Coates, Hilfred* 27 Warminster, Wiltshire Visitor Stationer * Probably should be Wilfred *********************************** 1891 Cenaus Civil parish: Preshute Ecclesiastical parish: Marlborough St Mary Town: County: Wiltshire Street address: Salsbury Road Source information: RG12/1598 Registration district: Marlborough Sub registration district: Marlborough ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Folio: 140 Page: 1 NameAge in 1891BirthplaceRelationship to head-of-house Coates, Charles Albert 23 Warminster, Wiltshire Boarder Bank Cashier ************************************* 1891 Civil parish: Lambeth Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity County: London Street address: Source information: RG12/391 Registration district: Lambeth Sub registration district: Lambeth Church First ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Folio: 87 Page: 6 Name Age in 1891 Birthplace Relationship to head-of-house Coates, Arthur 28 Warminster, Wiltshire Lodger Ironmonger's Assisance ************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Surtees" <tsurt@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 4:43 AM Subject: [SUNDERLAND] Coates of Sunderland > I am trying to trace the descendants of WILFRED COATES b.1866 __________________________

Someone asked the list recently if there was a picture of the above Inn. Please contact me as I have a lovely photo of it.

1891 image sent off list Doug Brown, Queanbeyan, Australia

Hello Carole This is the only Robert HARRRISON age 62 I could find and he was born Cockerton. He has a son William right age, I think, but he is coal miner not tailor and born Edmonsley instead of Sacriston. Also found an Eleanor ROSS age 12 born Durham that may of interest. I hope this is useful and hasn't just added to the confusion. Take care. Murray Jones Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada ********************************** 1891 Census Civil parish: Esh Ecclesiastical parish: St Michaels Town: ?shaw Moor County: Durham Street address: 61 Water Rd Source information: RG12/4094 Registration district: Lanchester Sub registration district: Lanchester ED, institution, or vessel: 4b Folio: 47 Page: 5 Name Age in 1891 Birthplace Relationship to head-of-house Harrison, Robert 62 Widower Cockerton, Durham Head Home Keeper Harrison, William 23* Edmonsley, Durham Son Coal Miner Ross, Annie E 8 Tudhoe, Cumberland Visitor Ross, Jane 9 Tudhoe, Cumberland Visitor Janes, Sarah 57 Widow Maryport, Cumberland Servant Housekeeper Jones, Bella 12 Langley park, Cumberland Boarder * Probaly 33. It has a pencil mark through it on the image. ********************************* All 1891 HARRISONs (using Soundex) born Sacriston Name Age in 1891 Birthplace Relationship to head-of-house Civil parish County Harrison, Ann 48 Sacriston, Durham Wife Chester le Street Durham Harrison, Ellen 9 Sacriston, Durham Daughter St Paul Yorkshire Harrison, Lucy 19 Sacriston, Durham Daughter Gomersal Yorkshire Harrison, Mary 22 Sacriston, Durham Wife Esh Durham Harrison, Robert 6 Sacriston, Durham Son St Paul Yorkshire Harrison, Sarah 4 Sacriston, Durham Daughter St Paul Yorkshire **************************************** All 1891 HARRISONs (using Soundex) born Cockerton Name Age in 1891 Birthplace Relationship to head-of-house Civil parish County Harrison, Caroline 59 Cockerton, DurhamWife Hornby Yorkshire Harrison, Charles Alfred 14 Cockerton, Durham Son Darlington Durham Harrison, Elizabeth 65 Cockerton, Durham Wife Darlington Durham Harrison, John 62 Cockerton, Durham Head Cockerton Durham Harrison, John 39 Cockerton, Durham Head Thornaby Yorkshire Harrison, Mary Ann 29 Cockerton, Durham Daughter Cockerton Durham Harrison, Robert 62 Cockerton, Durham Head Esh Durham Horseman, Elizabeth 75 Cockerton, Durham Middleton St George Durham Horseman, William 19 Cockerton, DurhamServant South Cowton Yorkshire ******************************************** 1891 Census Civil parish: Tudhoe Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Innocents Village: Tudhoe colliery County: Durham Street address: 13 Tudhoe colliery Source information: RG12/4101 Registration district: Durham Sub registration district: St Oswald ED, institution, or vessel: 47 Folio: 118 Page: 3 Name Age in 1891 Birthplace Relationship to head-of-house Ross, Deborah H 2wks Tudhoe colliery, Durham Daughter Ross, Edward 39 Thornley, Durham Head Ross, Eleanor 12 Butcher race, Durham Daughter Ross, Jane 31 Shepherds inn, Durham Wife Tudhoe Durham Ross, Mary Isabella 3 Tudhoe colliery, Durham Daughter Ross, Robert Harrison* 6 Tudhoe colliery, Durham Son *Interesting son is named Robert Harrison ****************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: <brian@robinson8298.fsnet.co.uk> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 4:55 PM Subject: [SUNDERLAND] 1871 and1891 look-up > ROBERT HARRISON head m 52 born Cockerton, Durham (occ Labourer)

Hello I would be very gratefull if someone with the 1871 and 1891 census for Houghton-le-spring or Chester-le-street could look-up a ROBERT HARRISON for me He is on the 1881 census as ROBERT HARRISON head m 52 born Cockerton, Durham (occ Labourer) JANE HARRISON wife 56 born Shirburn, Durham WILLIAM HARRISON son 23 born Sacriston, Durham (occ Tailor) ELONOR ROSS G Daugh 2 born Durham EDWARD GOLLY lodger u 28 Born Crook, Durham (occ laboureR I am trying to find out if there is a relationship to another ROBERT HARRISON who married a DOROTHY ROSS in Houghton-le-spring in 1860 and was born in Newcastle-upon-tyne I have another ROBERT HARRISON that is causing confusion, he married my 2 great-grandmother DRUSILLA HALL in 1879 in Durham, she was a widow with two daughters from her previous marriage (I had a lot of help in this direction from a family bible ) On the 1881 census he gave his place of birth as Houghton, (I think it was Bournmoor) and his age as 39. His first child was born in 1880 and named MARY JANE, a second one was ANNIE, and a son GEORGE, this name could have come from DRUSILLA's father GEORGE It would be great if it was possable to find him also on the 1871 census, he would hopefully be living with his mother (Its a long shot though) I know not to take info on census as gosple from past expearience! My great grandmother ISABELLA HALL was a step-daughter on the 1881 census but on the 1891 she was named HARRISON (daughter) so was her sister, she was married as ISABELLA HARRISON !! On the 1901 census ISABELLA was married, her sister was still with her parents and gave her own surname as HALL step daughter Thankyou in advance for any info relaiting to this puzzle Carole Robinson -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm

Hi I am trying to trace the descendants of WILFRED COATES b.1866 Warminster. He in the 1901 census is living at Longwood Roker Sunderland with his wifw ISABEL M. COATES, Daughters ISABEL A. 8yrs. WINIFRED E. 6yrs & son WILFRED B. 1yr. also there is MARGARET E CHOLES neice 25yrs. WILFRED also owned a Stationers shop at 25 FAWCETT Street Sunderland. Anyone who can help please get in touch. I can supply some relatives from 1841 to date. Tony Surtees tsurt@btinternet.com  

Hi Tony Thought you might like Wilfred in 1871 and 1891 if you don't already have him and family. Maybe found som eother members of family in 1891. Take care Murray Jones Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada *********************************************** Household Record 1881 British Census Name Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Benjamin W. COATES Head M Male 47 Almondbury, York Bookseller & Printer Employing 2 Men 8 Boys Martha M. COATES Wife M Female 40 Worcester, Worcester Edwin W. COATES Son U Male 18 Huddersfield, York Booksellers Assistant >Wilfred COATES Son U Male 15 Warminster, Wiltshire Booksellers Assistant George H. COATES Son Male 12 Warminster, Wiltshire Scholar Alfred H. COATES Son Male 11 Warminster, Wiltshire Scholar Mary E. COATES Daur Female 8 Warminster, Wiltshire Scholar Alice M. COATES Daur Female 7 Warminster, Wiltshire Scholar Elsie K. COATES Daur Female 6 Warminster, Wiltshire Scholar Margaret G. COATES Daur Female 4 Warminster, Wiltshire Henry Miller CATER Visitor M Male 48 London, Middlesex Commercial Traveller Jane Eliza CATER Visitor M Female 43 Mile End, Middlesex Mary Ann LAY Serv U Female 20 Upton Scudamore, Wiltshire General Serv Annie PEARCE Serv U Female 17 Warminster, Wiltshire Nursemaid Dom Serv Source Information: Dwelling 15 Market Place Census PlaceWarminster, Wiltshire, England Family History Library Film 1341495 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 2056 / 12 Page Number 17 *************************************************** 1871 England Census Civil parish: Warminster Ecclesiastical parish: Warminster Christchurch Town: Warminster County/Island: Wiltshire Country: England Street address: Market Place (no # given) Source information: RG10/1933 Registration district: Warminster Sub-registration district: Warminster ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Folio: 53 Page: 16 Household schedule number: 80 Folio: 53 Page: 16 Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Benjamin Walter Contes* 27 Almondbury, Yorkshire Head Bookseller Printer & Sationer Employing 3 Men 1 Boy Martha Matilda Contes* 29 Worcestershire Wife Edwin Walter Contes* 8 Huddersfield, Yorkshire Son Arthur Contes* 6 Warminster, Wiltshire Son Wilfred Contes* 5 Warminster, Wiltshire Son Charles Albert Contes* 3 Warminster, Wiltshire Son * Mistranscribed - should be Coates Folio: 54 Page: 17 Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Alfred Herbert Coates 1 Warminster, Wiltshire Son George Henry Coates 2 Warminster, Wiltshire Son Ellen Herly 46 Monkton Deverill, Wiltshire Servant Martha Wheeler 17 Winterbourne Stoke, Wiltshire Servant Domsetic Servant ************************************** 1891 Census Civil parish: Warminster Ecclesiastical parish: Christchurch Town: Warminster County: Wiltshire Street address: 15 Market Place Source information: RG12/1609 Registration district: Warminster Sub registration district: Warminster ED, institution, or vessel: 11 Folio: 101 Page: 13 NameAge in 1891BirthplaceRelationship to head-of-house Coates, Benj. W 57 Almondbury, Yorkshire Head Coates, Martha M 50 Worcester, Worcestershire Wife Coates, Elsie K 16 Warminster, Wiltshire Daughter Coates, Alfred H 21 Warminster, Wiltshire Son Coates, Alice Mabel 17 Warminster, Wiltshire Daughter ******************************************* 1891 Civil parish: Westbury Ecclesiastical parish: St Matthew Town: County: Gloucestershire Street address: 6 Portland Street Source information: RG12/1987 Registration district: Barton Regis Sub registration district: Westbury ED, institution, or vessel: 1 Folio: 18 Page: 29 Name Age in 1891 Birthplace Relationship to head-of-house Coates, Geroge H 22 Single Warminster, Wiltshire Tenant Print Seller ******************************************** 1891 Census Civil parish: Chester le Street Ecclesiastical parish: St Mary and St Cuthbert Town: Chester-le-Street County: Durham Street address: Lumley Terrace Source information: RG12/4119 Registration district: Chester Le Street Sub registration district: Chester le Street ED, institution, or vessel: 6 Folio: 98 Page: 10 Name Age in 1891 Birthplace Relationship to head-of-house Armstrong, Isabel 29 Tanfield, Durham Daughter Armstrong, Margery 72 Ryton, Durham Wife Armstrong, Thomas 69 Wylam, Northumberland Head Coates, Hilfred* 27 Warminster, Wiltshire Visitor Stationer * Probably should be Wilfred *********************************** 1891 Cenaus Civil parish: Preshute Ecclesiastical parish: Marlborough St Mary Town: County: Wiltshire Street address: Salsbury Road Source information: RG12/1598 Registration district: Marlborough Sub registration district: Marlborough ED, institution, or vessel: 10 Folio: 140 Page: 1 NameAge in 1891BirthplaceRelationship to head-of-house Coates, Charles Albert 23 Warminster, Wiltshire Boarder Bank Cashier ************************************* 1891 Civil parish: Lambeth Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity County: London Street address: Source information: RG12/391 Registration district: Lambeth Sub registration district: Lambeth Church First ED, institution, or vessel: 4 Folio: 87 Page: 6 Name Age in 1891 Birthplace Relationship to head-of-house Coates, Arthur 28 Warminster, Wiltshire Lodger Ironmonger's Assisance ************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tony Surtees" <tsurt@btinternet.com> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, August 23, 2004 4:43 AM Subject: [SUNDERLAND] Coates of Sunderland > I am trying to trace the descendants of WILFRED COATES b.1866

Hi all, I have recently received a marriage certificate for Robert GOVIS & Elizabeth SPEARING who married at the Parish Church in the parish of Sunderland on 23 April 1849. The residence at the time of marriage for both is shown as Mill Street (I presume Sunderland). As this is only a couple of years before the 1851 census I think that there is a chance that they may still be living in that area. If someone has a copy of that census would they please be so kind as to have a look at Mill Street. The name may appear as GOVERS and I believe Robert may have been born in Ireland. Thanks in advance, Andy in the Land of Oz --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.742 / Virus Database: 495 - Release Date: 19/08/2004

I have just come across one of my ancestors on a passenger list for SS Lusitania in 1909 in New York. He is grouped with a Swedish sea captain and they are going to Panama. Now John Durey was a marine engineer born and bred and with family in Southwick, so what is he doing in Panama? The Panama Canal was under constuction at this time and the list shows he had been through New York previously and indeed is absent from his family on 1901 census. Were engineers recruited from Sunderland shipyards to work on the Canal? Has anyone else come across family going there?

He is hoping that the database may be completed and put online to coincide with the Victoria County History launch of the History of Sunderland. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See http://www.englandpast.net/ Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

In the September issue of Family Tree Magazine is a letter from Ken Coleman stating that he has a database of the baptisms, marriages and burials, covering 1567-1812 for the parishes of Monkwearmouth and Bishopwearmouth including Sunderland, amounting to over 100,000 entries. He is hoping that the database may be completed and put online to coincide with the Victoria County History launch of the History of Sunderland. If you send him written enquiries with a SAE, he will sweep his database. There is no search fee but donations to cover administration costs will be appreciated. I will send his address to anyone interested, as I am reluctant to put it on the list without his permission.… Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

The September 2004 Vol 20 No 11 issue of Family Tree Magazine has printed on the front cover ' Free Cover CD includes complete Gateshead 1871 Census', this is also on the CD. I get mine by subscription so don't know how easy it is to get from a newsagents. It covers Registration District Gateshead 552 RG10/ 5048 to RG10/ 5062 as well as a Street Index. Their web site is http://www.family-tree.co.uk/ Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

Hi All Which month is the census attached to?? We in Canada only have August issue and it is not attached to that. Thanks Heather ----- Original Message ----- From: <Stanmapstone@aol.com> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 8:07 AM Subject: [SUNDERLAND] 1871 Gateshead Census > This month's Family Tree Magazine has a free cover disk with the complete > Gateshead 1871 Census. > > Regards Stan Mapstone > www.mapstone.org > > > ==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== > This list is only as good as you make it. Please Participate and help keep it interesting! > >

My interest in the Sunderland web site has been in regards to the Fulhams and Lawsons. However, I became very excited when I read the posting regarding the marriage of Louise and George. Perhaps our roots are linked! My great-grandfather is Charles Joseph Brown born 1870 in Northampton and dying circa 1939 in Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada. His occupation was a clicker in a shoe factory, then painter. I have his attestation papers for WW1. I have some information about his Father, Joseph Brown, born 1836. He married a Hannah who was born around 1839. They had four children; Joseph Charles (1870), Sarah A. (1867), Joseph H. (1869) and John F. (1878) . I do not have a George Henry who would have been born around 1880 if he was 25 at the time of his marriage. He married Ada Elizabeth Lewis, born 1877 in Northampton, on March 08, 1897 in All Saints Church, Northampton. They had four children; Roy, Hazel, Olive and Cyril. Cyril Brown, my Grandfather, was born on Oct. 05, 1898 in Northampton and died on April 15, 1984 in Winnipeg. He married Harriet Lawson, born May 11, 1898 at home, 145 Coronation Street, SUNDERLAND. Her life spanned three centuries. She passed away in Winnipeg at the age of 102. I hope this information is helpful. I would appreciate anything you can add. Diane Brown Toronto, Ontario, CANADA

This month's Family Tree Magazine has a free cover disk with the complete Gateshead 1871 Census. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

Hi everyone, this is my first post to your list. I have just found a marriage of Louise Margetts to George Henry Brown 3 March 1905. George's father's name was Charles Henry Brown and the witnesses were Joseph Brown and Ada Elizabeth Brown. George gave his occupation as engineer and his father was a saddler. I would like to find out what happened to this couple. She was probably from Oxfordshire but I don't know where George was born. At the time of there marriage in the register office Sunderland, they were both living at 54 Nora Street Sunderland. If I have the right Louise she had an illegitimate child in 1891, my Grandfather. On the marriage certificate she gives her age as 30 which for my Louise(a) is about 8 years too young, but she gives the right father's name and occupation. George is only 25 (maybe that's why she lied?). I know the Brown name is going to be difficult to trace but I would be grateful for any information that might help find if they had any children, and George's family. Thanks Penny in NZ

I don't know if you have this; George Smale, 21, married Ellen 'Peolar' (should it be Pevlar?), 21, on the 7th. Dec 1850, according to the St. Michael & All Angles Marriage Index. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

I have run into a wall on my Grandmothers side. Her father went by the name of Edward Orrell ( the 1881 and 1901 census shows two different places of birth) He married ? (no records found) Mary Ellen SMALE born July 1854 in Bishopwearmouth. Her parents were George Smale b 1829 m1850 to Ellen Pevlar b1829 According to the marriage certificate George's father was Adam Smale, a Timber Merchant and Ellen's father was John Pevlar. The spelling may be Peveler or Peveller or even Peverley. If anyone can help with any of these names I would be most grateful. Keith Errington North Vancouver Canada

Has anyone any information on the above family name, I have the following and I am trying to fill in any blanks or acquire more information on Gowland family. Gowland; Clement, watch maker 1757 - 1824. George, clock and watch maker, born 1759, worked in the Hylton Ferry area. About 1779 - 1790 George, clock maker, born 1782, working in the High Street, until he died 1829, left a widow Ann. Clement, 1791 - 1860 George Hay, born 1829. watch maker, silversmith, at 178 High Street at least 1860 - 1884 ( in partnership with his brother Clement 1860 - 1873) trading as G.H. & C of Sunderland 1854. Remark: 1881 census, George H was living at 3 Ashbrook Terrace, Bishopwearmouth, Durham, occupation Jeweller & Silversmith. He was living with his wife Mary (55) and his children Mary Elizabeth(26) Jane C. (24), Clement (21) a jewellers Assistant, George H (18) a Jewelers assistant Charles J (17). He also had a cook and a housemaid. Any help would be much appreciated. Trevor Lace