Thank you, Tim, both for the information and the references for future use. I'm on the last enumeration district for this part of Sunderland and it's been quite an adventure. What has surprised me (and I don't know why!) has been the large number of overseas-born people who are not sailors but traders and craftsmen. So Horns Tavern it shall be. Thank you again. Janice

PS. Kelly's Directory of Northumberland and Durham 1858 shows : Horns [no apostrophe] T.Laws 164 High St.

----- Original Message ----- From: "janice swannell" <janices@twmba.net> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 4:06 PM Subject: [genealogy] [SUNDERLAND] sunderland pub > I'm checking a transcription of the 1861 census of part of Sunderland for > the Freecens project. I am having trouble deciphering the name of a pub. It > looks like "Hosos Tavern" and has been transcribed as 'Horns Tavern'. > Options include 'Hows Tavern' or 'Hoors Tavern'. > The address is 164 High St and the innkeeper is Thomas Laws. Number 165 is > the General Woolfe Tavern. > > Thirsty lot, Sunderland folk! > > Janice > Toowoomba Janice, I have bad news and good news... First the bad news: The 1881 census CDroms show the following : 164 High St. "Naval Reserve Arms" (so someone changed the name between 1861 and 1881) 165 High St. "General Woolf Hotel" 166 High St. "Waterloo Hotel" 171 High St. "Great Eastern Hotel" uninhabited Thirsty folk indeed, but...that portion of High St (East) is close to the docks, and the census also shows 120 vessels of various sizes in port at the time.....- Now the GOOD NEWS: http://www.historicaldirectories.org/ has the Slaters Commercial Directory of Durham Northumberland and Yorkshire 1855 available for online search (that might help with other transcription problems that you may have??). There, in the list of Taverns and Public Houses for Sunderland you will find "Horn, John D. Heslop, 164 High St." Same pub, different landlord.

I'm checking a transcription of the 1861 census of part of Sunderland for the Freecens project. I am having trouble deciphering the name of a pub. It looks like "Hosos Tavern" and has been transcribed as 'Horns Tavern'. Options include 'Hows Tavern' or 'Hoors Tavern'. The address is 164 High St and the innkeeper is Thomas Laws. Number 165 is the General Woolfe Tavern. Thirsty lot, Sunderland folk! Janice Toowoomba

Hello, I thought I would just give an update of my surname interests as it has grown considerably in the last year, also to thank everyone who has helped me to get this far with my research. Kind regards Carole Robinson Researching Surnames BROWN, SMITH, FENWICK, (1800 Northumberland) SMITH, FENWICK, HARRISON, HALL, HIELD, CLOUGH, RIDLEY, PADGET, BURN, INCH, SMITH, HOLMES, SOLKELD/SOKELL, DONEY, GOYIN/GOYEN/GOYNE (Co Durham) HALL, HIELD, CLOUGH, GILBERTSON, LAYTON, LONSDALL/LONSDALE (Yorkshire) HOLMES, SOLKELD/SOKELL, (North Yorkshire) BARRASS, ROBINSON (Northumberland) CARR, WALMSELEY, BARRASS, ROBINSON, HETHERINGTON, EMMERSON, (Co Durham)

In a message dated 16/09/2004 12:17:31 GMT Daylight Time, janices@twmba.net writes: What has surprised me (and I don't know why!) has been the large number of overseas-born people who are not sailors but traders and craftsmen. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. As a major sea port (in Victorian times it was accepted as being the fourth port in the kingdom), Sunderland played host to wave after wave of immigrants. Each wave served as a boon to the area among them were: Scandinavians and their sea expertise: Germans, whose pork butchering enterprises could not be matched for service and quality: Italian ice-cream vendors: Jews and their pawnbroking businesses: the Irish as builders and labourers, in the 1851 census 5.7% of the town's population were Irish born. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

As I live in Canada I rely on the internet for a lot of my genealogical information. I would really appreciate any help from other interested parties. According to the 1881 census for Haswell, Durham, England, my great great grandfather William Lawson lived at 9 6th Cross Road with his wife Elizabeth. Elizabeth was born in Murton abt. 1826. They had a son George born about 1864 in Hartepoole and another, my great grandfather, William born about 1867 also in Hartepoole. A daughter Margaret was born there abt. 1869 and another son James in 1871. Would anyone with access to the 1871 Census be able to give me further information about the family. I have tried unsuccessfully to establish a wedding date which would undoubtedly provide a maiden name for Elizabeth. Also in 1891, a son John, born in Ruabon Wales abt. 1849, mysteriously appears on the Census. I am left to wonder whose son he is - William's or Elizabeth's? Thank you in advance for any help. Diane Brown

----- Original Message ----- From: <Stanmapstone@aol.com> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 12:01 AM Subject: [genealogy] Re: [SUNDERLAND] Introducing myself >> The reason I think that the Lumsdens had something to do with the Luxdon > Laundry is that in the 1950s I knew someone called Lumsden-Taylor, and was told > that his family owned the laundry, there still exists a County Luxdon Laundry > Ltd. in Sunderland. > > Regards Stan Mapstone > www.mapstone.org Two undocumented sources may be better than one ? My wife also states that the Luxdon laundry was owned by the Lumsden-Taylor family. (Unequivocal statement in response to my query "do you know of any connection between the Lumsden-Taylors and the Luxdon Laundry?" - "The Luxdon laundry was owned by the Lumsden-Taylors"). Her family in Sunderland always sent their laundry to Luxdons, perhaps as a consequence of some personal acquaintance - eg membership of the Rotary Club of Sunderland?. Tim Sewell.

Dear Derek, How interesting to hear of your connection with St Bede's Terrace too! I stayed in a bed and breakfast there once in 1993, but I can't remember the number I stayed at now! As to the RITSONs, I have no less than 101 of them in my tree! None of them encroach on the twentieth century but I do have one Stanley RITSON, born 17th April 1888 who married a lady called Violet Alice CLARKE (no background on her). Stanley's father, Ernest George RITSON was born on 26 November 1865 in Sunderland and his mother was Isabella WRIGHT, born in about the same year. Stanley had 5 siblings, namely John George RITSON (born 19 Sep 1886), Minnie RITSON, (born 29 Sep 1890), Constance RITSON (born 1892), James Bede RITSON (born 1895) and Ernest George RITSON, born 1897). If "your Stanley RITSON can relate to these then he can help me get the tree up to date! SPEAKING OF FOOTBALL...... it is said that Malcolm ALLISON, former manager of Middlesbough FC etc claimed descent from the ALLISONS of Monkwearmouth. I wrote to him once to try to find out more about it but got no reply. Does anyone know if there is any substance in this, or do you think our Malcolm was just "hanging one on"?! I don't think I believe it personally and have certainly found no evidence to support any such claim. Clifford A. _______________________

Clifford, I've been reading with interest your mails concerning Sunderland ancestors, I had family who lived in st bede's tce early 1900's at No.3 the Sparlings of Hills bookshop. and at 13, my fathers family, Lamberts I also saw you mention RITSON, any relation with Stanley RITSON the surgeon, also a director of Sunderland AFC ? regards, Derek.

In a message dated 12/09/2004 22:22:20 GMT Daylight Time, clifford-allison@supanet.com writes: I'd love to know more about the ALLISON mill and the LUMSDON laundry you mention. I search long and hard for collateral branches of both these families, with little success so far. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The firm William Allison were Millers at 120-121 Whitburn Street, between Dundas Street and Calver Street. They are listed in the 1914 Directory and I remember were still there after WW2. The reason I think that the Lumsdens had something to do with the Luxdon Laundry is that in the 1950s I knew someone called Lumsden-Taylor, and was told that his family owned the laundry, there still exists a County Luxdon Laundry Ltd. in Sunderland. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

Stan, Thanks so much for your kind welcome and interest. I am sure we have met on other lists, notably Brian Pears' Northumbria list. I'd love to know more about the ALLISON mill and the LUMSDON laundry you mention. I search long and hard for collateral branches of both these families, with little success so far. ALLISON. So far as I know, in the latter 19th century most ALLISONS were engineers, brewers and DLI soldiers. John ALLISON (c1741-1800) was a coalfitter from Monkwearmouth but I have never heard of any mill there. Can you tell me more of the family running it? This may help me to find collateral branches, which I am sure must exist. LUMSDON Likewise with this family. Joseph LUMSDON (1821-1902) was an anchor and chainmaker on the Wear, as was his father Edward, who married Margaret LIDDEL in St Hilda's South Shields on 18th Nov 1813. Again, I don't know enough about the origins of this family and, if the LUMSDON launderers connect, this could help my quest. I shall place this reply on the list if I may, as its contents may prove a help to others. Aye, Clifford Allison ___________________________________ -----Original Message----- From: Stanmapstone@aol.com [mailto:Stanmapstone@aol.com] Sent: 12 September 2004 14:18 To: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [SUNDERLAND] Introducing myself Hi Clifford, Welcome to the list. You seem to be connected to some prominent Sunderland families, Allison, Lumsdon and Vaux. Allisons owned a mill for feedstuffs in Monkwearmouth, Vaux owned the brewery of course, and I think that the Lumsdons owned the Luxden Laundry on Fulwell Road. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org ==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== Genuki Sunderland pages, http://website.lineone.net/~pjoiner/genuki/DUR/Sunderland/index.html

Chris, Thanks for your interest: BUSBY George BUSBY is a root ancestor of mine. I know, from an old copied page from a book called "A History of Northumberland" Vol 3 page 224 that George BUSBY was appointed Master of the Grammar School at Hexham on 24th June 1771. The entry mentions that he came from Gateshead. The entry I refer to also mentions that George BUSBY was "perpetual curate of Hexham". There is a footnote reference to a mention of his in "Gentleman's Magazine for 1799, p. 168." George BUSBY married Ann SCURFIELD at St Mary's Gateshead on 27 Mar 1769. They had a daughter called Fanny BUSBY, who married Edward HINDE of Cockermouth in Monkwearmouth on 3 Dec 1796. I don't know much about Edward HINDE, but believe he was a Sunderland solicitor. Fanny and Edward HINDE had 9 children as far as I know. One of them was Henrietta HINDE, born in Monkwearmouth on 19 Apr 1799. Fanny married James ALLISON (my GG Grandfather) on 13 Jul 1819. They built and occupied a large house at Cleadon/Whitburn called Undercliff(e). James ALLISON was a shipbuilder on Monkwearmouth Shore until 1833, when his lease ran out. He then became a brewer and founded the Allison Brewery, which was ultimately taken over by Scottish and Newcastle, sometime early in the twentieth century. NOBLE The NOBLES intermarried repeatedly with my COXONS, who do not connect with the mainstream Sunderland COXONS, coming originally from Usworth Hall. The COXONS were mining engineers and lived at Cleadon Towers for a while in the early 20th century, though their fortunes ebbed and flowed. Suzannah Bell NOBLE (1837-1875) married Samuel Bailey COXON (born 1834 @ Seaham Harbour) on 10 Apr 1858 at Benfieldside, Consett. I think there was also a VAUX/NOBLE marriage. STOREY Sarah Ann STOREY (1814-1860) Married Cuthbert VAUX at Holy Trinity on 14 Jun 1834. She was a daughter of John STOREY and Sarah STAFFORD. I connect to the STOREYS and the VAUX families through my GG Grandmother Mary TEMPERLEY, who married John Young GOURLEY in 1824. She was a daughter of Edward TEMPERLET (originally a Hexham family) and Margaret VAUX. John Young GOURLEY (1801-1868) and MARY TEMPERLEY were the parents of Edward Temperley GOURLEY (1826-1902), who was Liberal MP for Sunderland 1868-1900. Try as I may, I CANNOT find John Young GOURLEY's ancestry. I believe the family came for Fife, but that's as far as I have got with him. He lived at 5 St Bede's Terrace, Bishopwearmouth and any help with his origins would be vastly appreciated by me! ____________________ I hope that helps you, Chris. I have kept this as concise as I fairly can, but if you find any connection or require more, please let me know. Aye, Clifford Allison.

In a message dated 12/09/2004 20:05:59 GMT Daylight Time, Epaxton@aol.com writes: During the first 50 years of the last century a member of our family was the Firemaster of Sunderland. I don't know his name as it was his wife who was a Paxton cousin of my grandfathers. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Edward, I don't know what you mean by 'Firemaster,' but in December 1898, the Town Council decided to put the Brigade on a strong footing, That month Mr Thomas Breaks, aged 38, was appointed Superintendent of the Brigade from a total of 47 applicants. Superintendent Breaks was the first Superintendent to be appointed to have sole responsibility of the Fire Brigade, his predecessors were appointed as Superintendents of Police, part of their duty being to oversee the running of the Fire Brigade. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

During the first 50 years of the last century a member of our family was the Firemaster of Sunderland. I don't know his name as it was his wife who was a Paxton cousin of my grandfathers. Is there a list of men (and possibly nowadays women) who have held this post? edward Limpsfield, Surrey Using Norton SystemWorks

Hello everybody! In due course I'm hoping that we can share a lot of information through this list. I have progressed research fairly quickly this year. I am not Northumbrian resident, living near London, but my Father originated from Fulwell/Seaburn/Cleadon/Whitburn in Sunderland and the family mostly seems to come from thereabouts. The ALLISONs seem to have been quite a well connected family in their day and I give below some names to try to tickle peoples' fancies! My Father had me late in life. So that you have the context, he was born at 4 Campbell Terrace, Fulwell (no longer there?) on 3rd January 1896. I was born in London in 1952. I must be one of the youngest surviving sons of a WW1 Veteran! ALLISON (formerly) of UNDERCLIFFE and TICKFORD ABBEY LUMSDON (and LUMSDEN?) GOURLEY (and GOURLAY?) TEMPERLEY VAUX LOVELY (or LOVELAY?) BELLARBY (or BELLERBY?) GYLBY. LIDDEL (and LIDDELL?) HALL (ugh!) BUSBY GUY CLAY COXON DOXFORD DARKE HINDE NOBLE RITSON STOREY THORMAN Those are the main ones, anyway! Looking forward to a long, happy and fruitful association! Clifford Allison

Hi Clifford, Welcome to the list. You seem to be connected to some prominent Sunderland families, Allison, Lumsdon and Vaux. Allisons owned a mill for feedstuffs in Monkwearmouth, Vaux owned the brewery of course, and I think that the Lumsdons owned the Luxden Laundry on Fulwell Road. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

----- Original Message ----- From: Don & Bev Froom To: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Sent: August 27, 2004 9:35 PM Subject: Alexander ROSS The 1871 Census states that my great grandfather Alexander ROSS was married to Anne ROSS and living at 18 North Quay East, Monkwearmouth in the Ecclesiastical District of St Peters. Alexander was 34 years old, an engine driver and was born in Scotland. I would really appreciate it if anyone might be able to give me some suggestions on how I might trace back to where my Grandfather was born in Scotland. If anyone has access to the 1861 or 1851 census perhaps that would give me some more clues. Thank you for your assistance. Bev Froom

Having been on the sidelines for quite a while now, I'd like to add my interests for Sunderland in the hope that someone can help me or give advice. Elizabeth Ann BROOKS had illegitimate daughter Margaret Ann in 1874. Margaret was adopted by Elizabeth COX who lived at 1 Minorca in the 1881 census. Robert COOK originally came from Boulby, as did at least 2 of his brothers. They were mariners, William was listed as a shipowner. Robert and Thomas both had sons named John Usher Cook, Usher being a middle name. The name I understand has carried on to this day. This family have proved very interesting and I would be keen to know of any information about any of them in Sunderland. Catherine CROSSLEY, was married to Edward MALLIN from Ireland in 1861. After giving birth to her 3rd child she died in 1867 age 24. Her father was called John. HODGSON, this is my main area of research and I have 2 links to the name. John, who I believe was born in 1799 in Whitby and married Margaret APPLEBY. Margaret was the daughter of Ralph APPLEBY and Hannah HODGSON. Hannah's parents were Thomas and Mary, I think GREENWELL. They also had a son called Moses. Every branch of the family has a Moses in it as far as the mid 1900s, but I've no idea where it originated. Any information that people may have will be most welcome. Thanks, Tracy

Andrew, I don't have a photo of the pawnbrokers in Gladstone St., but remember it very well, passing by on the way to Roker Park on the football special trams- no traffic jams then, a 40.000 crowd could be moved in a very short time. regards, Derek.