Stan - the hall was quite a big place, sufficient in size for the NCB to consider the uses that have been mentioned. This discussion has caused me to think of the other 'halls' in the area. Cocken Hall, Houghton Hall, Morton House (not a 'hall' but large enough to be classed as one, Herrington Hall, Silksworth Hall, Farringdon Hall and Thorney Close Hall come to mind. Alan Vickers.
Other references that I have regarding Herrington Hall are: From the Family Notices from The Newcastle Weekly Courant for 25th March 1780: "Died Tuesday se'nnight at Yarm, Mrs Robinson. relict of the late Marshall Robinson, Esq., of Herrington Hall, in the county of Durham." William Moore of Herrington Hall voted in the 1868 elections. (From the North Durham Poll Book for 1868.) Whellan's Directory for 1894 lists William Lishman, Esq as the occupant. Alan Vickers.
From "Herrington and its folk": A long line of Robinsons lived here with property at Cleadon, Hetton, Whitburn and Houghton but their principal business interests became centred on the quayside at Southwick where they were malsters. The last to live here was Ralph Robinson but in 1795 it was sold to William Beckwith from Thurcroft, Yorkshire. ..... In 1855 the hall was occupied by T W Panton, manager of Bishopwearmouth Ironworks. In 1871 W Moore, a solicitor was here. In 1894 William Lishman, colliery manager, was occupant, the Earl of Durham having by then bought the property. The Vaux family rented the hall in the early years of the 20th century The last occupant was the builder, Mr Harry Bell. In 1947 the property was taken over by the NCB The two-storied georgian building....was demolished in 1957-8 when the cellars, dating from about 1570 were exposed. My reference to the NCB considering converting the hall into a training centre in 1960 was a little inaccurate, I now recall that this was in the mid 1950s. Clearly the occupants of the hall should have appeared on the 1871 census. Hope that this helps. Alan Vickers
There is a picture of Herrington Hall in "Lost Houses of Co. Durham"/ Demolished in 1957 and it does look pretty big to me. PS Cellars dated to 1570 Avril
I have followed this discussion of Herrington Hall with interest as it has a connection to our family, I believe. This is the information that I have. In 1556 William PUNSHON of Chester le Street acquired the manor of West Herrington. This may be the same William PUNSHON who is mentioned in Surtees History of Co Durham as having a coat of arms The arms were granted to William PUNSHON, 6 September 1575, by William Flower, Norroy The description: Azure, a fesse embattled inter three Sheeps' heads erased argent the translation I have " bright blue, a third of the shape blocked off with battlement shaped line three sheeps heads sort of torn off and silver" William PUNSHON [estimated birth about 1520] married Sibilla Birtfeilde d. of Thomas Birtfeilde of CLS [Surtees] in about 1550 I'd love to hear from anyone who might have more information Heather
In a message dated 02/12/2004 16:24:23 GMT Standard Time, gospeloak@hotmail.com writes: I would like to know if this list covers the area around Windgate. If so would there be someone who would know the street location of Holy Trinity church at Wingate Grange and if there are any photos of the church available on line. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wingate is well outside the Sunderland area but there is a picture of the Parish Church of the Holy Trinity, Front Street, Wingate at http://www.imagesofengland.org.uk/home.asp You can either use the General Quick Search or register to use the Standard or Advanced Search. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org
List - I would like to know if this list covers the area around Windgate. If so would there be someone who would know the steet location of Holy Trinity church at Wingate Grange and if there are any photos of the church available on line. Tom
In a message dated 02/12/2004 13:57:07 GMT Standard Time, alan.fulwell@tiscali.co.uk writes: Clearly the occupants of the hall should have appeared on the 1871 census. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Alan, I have found it now, it was in Middle Herrington, just along Crow Lane from the Board Inn, as it was in the village that it is why it is not shown separately on the OS map. I think 'Hall' is a bit of an exaggeration! I have searched all of East Herrington in the 1881 Census but it is not there. Even if it was unoccupied I would have thought it would be listed. It is still possible that 'Harrington' is 'Farrington' as it was a large household in the 1880s, William Mallam, the owner had a staff of 9 servants and a housekeeper. There were 18 residents altogether in the 1881 Census. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org
There were two halls - Herrington Hall and Farringdon Hall. In about 1960 the NCB considered converting Herrington Hall into a mining training centre but the proposal was abandoned and the hall was demolished. The hall had very strong connections There is an article and photo in "Herrington and its folk" by Douglas W Smith. Alan Vickers.
In a message dated 01/12/2004 19:31:57 GMT Standard Time, alan.fulwell@tiscali.co.uk writes: There were two halls - Herrington Hall and Farringdon Hall. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the 1881 Census there is a Farrington Hall but no Herrington Hall. Dwelling: Farrington Hall Census Place: Silksworth, Durham, England Source: FHL Film 1342196 PRO Ref RG11 Piece 4974 Folio 113 Page 11 William MALLAM M 46 M Ryhope, Durham, England Rel: Head Occ: Farmer 127 Acres Employing 1 Man & 2 Boys So was Herrington Hall built after 1881? It is certainly not on the 1878 OS Map, but is in the 1890 Directory. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org
>My gg grandparents Thomas robert Cavanagh and Hannah Tweedle, both worked and lived at Harrington Hall, Silksworth. They married 14 May 1884 at the Houghton-le-Spring Registry Office. Hannah was a domestic servant and Thomas an Agricultural labourer at the hall. >My main question is has anyone ever heard of Harrington Hall at Silksworth? The place you are referring to may be Herrington Hall, which used to stand near the Sunderland to Durham road (A690) at Middle Herrington, which is not far from the original Silksworth (as opposed the New Silksworth). I can't recall where I obtained the following information, but you might find it interesting. If I can be of any further help... give me a shout. Regards... David Allan. ================================================================= General William Beckwith, who it is said, was noted for his part in putting down the Bristol Riots, following the defeat of the Reform Bill in October 1831, lived for a time at Herrington Hall until his wife Priscilla (nee Hopper) inherited Silksworth Hall. Herrington Hall was situated on the south side of Crow Lane in Middle Herrington. The rather splendid-looking Georgian two-storied mansion, with its bow windows and impressive staircase hid earlier foundations which dated back to around 1570. Large conservatories had also been a later addition. You may already be aware that the Vaux family rented the Hall in the early years of the 20th century, Colonel Edwin Vaux, son of Cuthbert, was in command for 44 years of a gunnery volunteer company. He married in 1875, Mary, sister of Sir Theodore Doxford of Silksworth Hall and had one daughter who married Major Cheke. Their son Sir Marcus Cheke, who often came to the Hall, was British Minister to the Holy See. He died in 1961 in Rome. Colonel Vaux died in 1908 leaving a fortune of £86,000. The last residing occupant was a building contractor called Harry Bell, who lived there during the 1930s. After the WWII the property was acquired by the NCB in 1947 who had originally had plans to convert it into a miners' convalescent home. The plans remained as such and towards the end of the 1950s the decision was taken to demolish Herrington Hall. General Beckwith was High Sheriff for the county, and apart from his army rank, was also Knight of Hanover, a Guelphic Order now obsolete. He spent a great deal of his time over-wintering in Paris with his wife. Priscilla was a convert to Catholicism in the days of the Oxford Movement. It was Priscilla who provided the funds to build St Leonards RC Church in New Silksworth and she was well known for her grand arrival in her carriage for Mass each Sunday. In 1871 Mrs Beckwith owned 792 acres with £2,133 in rents. They had no children and a nephew inherited Silksworth. Beckwith Road in Herrington was named after General Beckwith. The parkland, a green oasis, with the remnants of the stream that traversed it and century-old trees was the site of many local sporting events. Before the First World War an annual cricket match between East and West Herrington took place. The bothy men from the Hall once held boxing matches organised by the Rev Knight of Ryhope, then Curate of New Herrington. The Durham County Show was held here twice in the 1940s. With the opening of the 5 acre playing field at the top of the parkland a telegram of congratulations was received by officials from the Duke of Edinburgh as President of the National Playing Fields Association. The parkland is a heritage of open space and was given to the people of Herrington in perpetuity as a place of recreation although a main road now crosses through it. It is to be resolutely preserved and defended. Another account of Herrington Hall records... Herrington Hall was demolished in 1957-58 when the cellars, dating from 1570, were exposed. It is thought that the house had been a dwelling continuously from that date, although it was added to and altered over the years. A long line of Robinsons, maltsters on the quayside at Southwick and owners of various properties in Whitburn, Cleadon, Houghton and Hetton, lived in the hall, and one of the Robinson daughters, Anne, married the famous Durham county historian Robert Surtees. In 1795, the hall was sold to General William Beckwith, High Sheriff for the county and Knight of Hanover. He moved out when his wife, Priscilla, inherited Silksworth House Estate. A number of businessmen occupied it during the 19th century until it was bought by the Earl of Durham as a dwelling for his local colliery manager (somewhat better than the usual line of tied pit housing!). The Vaux family then rented the hall. Colonel Edwin Vaux, son of Cuthbert of the brewing family, was commander of a gunnery volunteer company for 44 years, and married Mary, sister of Sir Theodore Doxford of Silksworth Hall. He died in 1908 and in 1926, the contents of the hall were put up for auction by his widow and disposed of in a two-day sale. The last occupant of the hall was the builder Harry Bell. In 1947, it was taken over by the National Coal Board, but plans to convert it to a convalescent home never materialised. It stood empty, and after a fire, subsidence and dry rot, it was demolished in 1957-58. And so another piece of Sunderland's fine built heritage bit the dust. Its parkland, with the remnants of a stream, century-old trees, and playing field at the top, is well used by the local community.
In a message dated 01/12/2004 17:17:48 GMT Standard Time, David.Allan@onyxnet.co.uk writes: The place you are referring to may be Herrington Hall, which used to stand near the Sunderland to Durham road (A690) at Middle Herrington, which is not far from the original Silksworth (as opposed the New Silksworth). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On the 1878 Ordnance Survey Map it is called Farrington Hall, roughly half way between East Herrington and Silksworth, and was accessed by a track from the Sunderland to Durham Road. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org
Hello All, This is the first posting from a long time lurker! As the Herringtons were mentioned it prompted me to post one of my great genealogy mysteries. My gg grandparents Thomas robert Cavanagh and Hannah Tweedle, both worked and lived at Harrington Hall, Silksworth. They married 14 May 1884 at the Houghton-le-Spring Registry Office. Hannah was a domestic servant and Thomas an Agricultural labourer at the hall. My main question is has anyone ever heard of Harrington Hall at Silksworth? I have found a Haraton Hall and a Herrington Hall, but both are not near Silksworth. Also what would be the likelihood that Hannah went from East Hetton/Kelloe where she was born/baptized to Low Rawgreen, Hexham for the 1881 census where she the domestic servant to a single man farming a 16 acre lot then back to Silkworth to be married in 1884. It just seems to be a bit unusal. The age of Hannah on the census is a couple of year out but it is the only match unless her name is spelt completely incorrectly. Any advice anyone has would be greatly apreciated. Sincerely Gabrielle tim sewell wrote on 30/11/04 5:13 pm: Murray, If you look for East Herrington, Middle Herrington, West Herrington and New Herrington you will find they are all real places. One of my Godmothers-in-law used to live in East Herrington. It is not far out of Sunderland, on the main road to Durham (A690). Tim S. --------------------------------- Moving house? Beach bar in Thailand? New Wardrobe? Win £10k with Yahoo! Mail to make your dream a reality.
I just wanted to say thank-you to all who responded to my e-mail plea for help with my Grandfather Horn and Baker line. I tried posting a thank-you before but it didn't reach me. I hope this gets through. The information I have received is an amazing blessing and I am very grateful to all your assistance. Sincerely, Jennifer Schack
I am researching the following names - BANKS : Stretton (Cheshire), Manchester (Lancs) BRADBURY : Lymm (Cheshire) BROWNBILL : St Helens (Lancs) CALLAGHAN : St Helens (Lancs), Ireland DANIELS : Bowdon (Cheshire) GABRIEL : St Helens (Lancs), Liverpool (Lancs), Dublin (Ireland) GARDNER : Dublin (Ireland) GRATWICH : Barlaston (Staffs) HIGHAM : Lymm (Cheshire), Leigh (Lancs) JOHNSON : Over Peover (Cheshire) JOHNSON : Barlaston (Staffs) JOHNS(T)ON : Wallasey (Cheshire), Birkenhead (Cheshire), Hull (East Riding), North Shields/Tynemouth (Northumberland), Ryton (Co. Durham) JONES : Whitchurch (Shrops) LEIGH : Lymm (Cheshire) MILLER : Lymm (Cheshire), Grappenhall (Cheshire) MOSTON/MOSSON : Lymm (Cheshire), Over Peover (Cheshire), Marthall (Cheshire) MYCOCK : Barlaston (Staffs) NORBURY : Liverpool (Lancs) PERCIVAL : Lymm (Cheshire), Antrobus (Cheshire) RICHARDSON : Lymm (Cheshire), Prescot (Lancs) TABERN : St Helens (Lancs) THOMPSON : North Shields/Tynemouth (Northumberland) WILLIAMSON : Cheshire WINSTANLEY : Lymm (Cheshire) WOOTTON : Barlaston (Staffs), Moddershall (Staffs), Stone (Staffs) I would be pleased to hear from anyone with similar interests. Thanks Tim
In a message dated 01/12/2004 11:24:14 GMT Standard Time, groupsgabbie@yahoo.co.uk writes: My main question is has anyone ever heard of Harrington Hall at Silksworth? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> It is Farrington Hall. High Farrington was on the road to Durham between Thorney Close and East Herrington. The council estate built there is called Farringdon. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org
For anyone who does not understand the meaning of civil parish, ecclesiastical parish, county, registration district, etc. this site has a detailed list of Administrative Unit descriptions. http://tiger.iso.port.ac.uk:7778/pls/nfp/prog.au_ft.dictionary Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org
Murray, If you look for East Herrington, Middle Herrington, West Herrington and New Herrington you will find they are all real places. One of my Godmothers-in-law used to live in East Herrington. It is not far out of Sunderland, on the main road to Durham (A690). Tim S. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Murray Jones" <joneswm@accesscomm.ca> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 30, 2004 4:09 PM Subject: [genealogy] Re: [SUNDERLAND] Sunderland Echo obit > Hi Jennifer > > If this is Peter and family in 1901 then Peter born in Durham. Herrington > doesn't seem to be aplace but maybe a mistranscription of Merrington or > maybe even Heighington. Perhaps Stan Mapstone could help with the > geography. > > Hope this helps. > > Murray Jones > Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada > > > ********************************** > 1901 British Census > Census_Place: Sunderland > Census_County: Borough Of Sunderland > Name PRO_Age Year_Born Where_Born Occupation > HORN, Rose 34 1867 Sussex, Bartle > HORN, Peter 33 1868 Durham, Herrington* Coal Miner Hewer > HORN, Edith 2 1899 Durham, Sland > HORN, Dany 10 1891 Hampshire, Portsmouth > HORN, Harold 3 1898 Durham, S'land > HORN, Norman 11M 1900 Durham, S'land > * Might this be Merrington or maybe even Heighington ? > ********************************** > > 1891 British Census > Civil parish: Monkwearmouth > Ecclesiastical parish: St Columba > County: Durham > Street address: 20 Bond Street > Source information: RG12/4147 > Registration district: Sunderland > Sub registration district: Monk Wearmouth > ED, institution, or vessel: 6 > Folio: 60 > Page: 51 > > Name Age in 1891 Birthplace Relationship to head-of-house > Horn, Florence 16 Sunderland, Durham Daughter > Horn, John 53 Washington, Durham Head > Horn, Mary Jane 54 Philadelphia, Durham Wife > Horn, Peter** 23 Oakenshaw, Durham Son > Baker, Rose 11*** Sunderland, Durham Visitor > Baker, Daisey Alice 24 Battle, Essex Visitor > Horn, Margt 11.12Portsmouth, Hampshire Daughter-of-above* > * With a line pointing to Daisey Alice > ** The only Peter HORN born Durham on a exact serach > *** Could be something else because it has a line drawn through the age. > ************************************** > > Household Record 1881 British Census > > Name Relation Marital Status Gender AgeBirthplaceOccupationDisability > Alfred DRAY Head M Male 27 Salehurst, Sussex, England Land & > Engineering Surveyor > Sarah A. DRAY Wife M Female 27 St Mary Cray, Kent, England > Albert Jas. DRAY Son U Male 4 St Leonards, Sussex, England Scholar > ?> Rose BAKER Serv U Female 14 Battle*, Sussex, England Domestic > Servant > Frank Chas. DRAY Son Of Above Male 1 Newcross, Kent, England > William FENWICK Nephew Male 13 Scholar > Lucy ANDREWS Lodger M Female 36 Market Harboro, Leicester, England > Lodging Keeper > Ellen GOWARD Lodger W Female 38 Market Harboro, Leicester, England > Lodging Keeper > Caroline UNWINS Boarder U Female 41 > * Bartle for Battle in 1901? > Source Information: > Dwelling 4 South Terrace > Census PlaceHastings St Andrew, Sussex, England > Family History Library Film 1341243 > Public Records Office Reference RG11 > Piece / Folio 1026 / 4 > Page Number 1 > ************************************** > > 1871 Census > Name: Rose Baker > Age in 1871: 4 > Estimated birth year: 1867 > Relation: Inmate > Gender: Female > Where born: Battle, Sussex, England > Civil parish: Penhurst > Town: Battle > County/Island: Sussex > Country: England > Source information: RG10/1037 > Registration district: Battle > Sub-registration district: Battle > ED, institution, or vessel: Union Workhouse > Folio: 82 > Page: 8 > Household schedule number: 1 > ************************** > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jennifer Schack" <Jschack@nucleus.com> > To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, November 29, 2004 3:00 PM > Subject: Re: [SUNDERLAND] Sunderland Echo obit > > > > > > Hello, > > > > I have been on the Sunderland list for some time now, hoping for a bite > > on one person who is eluding me. However, I have found nothing that is > > related to my family yet. So I thought perhaps someone else might be > > waiting as I have been and I would like to put out an APB for my > > missing Great-great grandfather. > > > > His name is James (or possibly John) William "Peter" Horn. He is said > > to be born 1868 and married Rose Baker in Sunderland, Northumberland > > April 13 1891. He was a soldier and came from a family with 9 sisters. > > Once he married Rose (a gypsy) he was disowned. He and Rose are said > > to have come to Canada in 1904, landing in Montreal. > > > > I would appreciate any help or information anyone can give me on how to > > find him in Sunderland. > > > > Most sincerely, > > > > Jennifer Schack > > > > > > ==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== > > Genuki Sunderland pages, > > http://website.lineone.net/~pjoiner/genuki/DUR/Sunderland/index.html > > > > > > > > > > ==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== > The Lambton Worm, > http://orac.sunderland.ac.uk/lambton.html >
In a message dated 30/11/2004 05:09:27 GMT Standard Time, joneswm@accesscomm.ca writes: Herrington doesn't seem to be a place >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Strictly speaking you are correct but, East Herrington, New Herrington, Middle Herrington, and West Herrington are all villages see the Ordnance Survey Gazetteer http://www.ordnancesurvey.co.uk/freefun/didyouknow/ The Parish of West Herrington St. Cuthbert was formed out of Houghton-le-Spring St. Michael and All Angels in 1838. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org
Hi Stan Thanks for that. Couldn't find Herrington on GENUKI. Murray > doesn't seem to be a place >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Strictly speaking you are correct but, East Herrington, New Herrington, > Middle Herrington, and West Herrington are all villages see