Sunderland has adopted the 7th Century holy man St Benedict Biscop as its patron saint. A special ceremony was held at St Peter's Church in Wearmouth - which St Biscop founded - on Wednesday. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Shaw" <richard.shaw@aqualisa.co.uk> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, January 13, 2005 10:29 PM Subject: [genealogy] [SUNDERLAND] Sunderland Moor Orphan Asylum > > > > > On the 1881 census David Burns aged 12 is listed at the address Sunderland > Moor. The head is listed as John Wright master of orphan asylum, David's > relationship to him is as an inmate with occupation scholar. This leads me > to believe that he was an orphan, however his widowed mother, Elizabeth > Duncan Burns is still alive and living a few streets away at 7 Hedworth > Street with three of his older sisters and his Grandfather. Also the other > 26 "inmates" are all male aged between 9 and 13, I feel that it is unlikely > that all the orphans in Sunderland fell into such a tight group, so I think > that it may be the orphanage was a school for boys. Does anyone have any > information relating to this institution that may help me understand what > was happening? > > Richard > Richard, you could scarcely do better than look at Stan Mapstone's post http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND/2004-12/1104174258 My grandfather-in-law also attended the orphanage, and i was also suprised to find that his mother was still alive at the time. But great-grandfather-in-law had died, and presumably great-grandmother-in-law decided that one less mouth to feed, plus the valuable training for a lifetime career at sea that young George William would get at the orphanage meant that he had to go. (A good decision, as it turned out - he became a senior Captain with Brocklebanks). Tim S. (Please remove my fairly obvious spam trap if you wish to reply by direct email)

Thank you Stan, I have rung Hills and the book is no longer available, but I will go on-line this afternoon and see if I can find it. Thank you for the additional information. Richard

My thanks to Dan and Tim for their information (and Stan for his earlier input). I found this most interesting and if anyone can point me in the direction of further reading on the orphanage I would be most grateful. Richard

On the 1881 census David Burns aged 12 is listed at the address Sunderland Moor. The head is listed as John Wright master of orphan asylum, David's relationship to him is as an inmate with occupation scholar. This leads me to believe that he was an orphan, however his widowed mother, Elizabeth Duncan Burns is still alive and living a few streets away at 7 Hedworth Street with three of his older sisters and his Grandfather. Also the other 26 "inmates" are all male aged between 9 and 13, I feel that it is unlikely that all the orphans in Sunderland fell into such a tight group, so I think that it may be the orphanage was a school for boys. Does anyone have any information relating to this institution that may help me understand what was happening? Richard

Hi All I have just joined this list and would like to add my interests. They are CARR and MULLEN. The earliest I have got back to is Thomas CARR marrying Margaret MULLEN on 7th November 1859 at the Parish Church, Monkwearmouth, their address at time of married was Brook Street. Would anyone have access to the 1861 census to see if either of their parents were still at this address? Happy hunting! Annie

In a message dated 13/01/2005 11:30:41 GMT Standard Time, richard.shaw@aqualisa.co.uk writes: I feel that it is unlikely that all the orphans in Sunderland fell into such a tight group, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Although it was called an Orphanage, and originally founded for the sons of seafarers, it appears to have open to children whose father had died but whose mother was still alive. In the article in the book a Mr. Kelly and his brother were placed in the Orphanage by their mother after their father, a painter died, because she could not manage on her weekly income of ten shillings. There were only places for fifty boys, who were allowed to visit their families once a month between 9 am. and 8 pm. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

In a message dated 13/01/2005 12:57:37 GMT Standard Time, richard.shaw@aqualisa.co.uk writes: if anyone can point me in the direction of further reading on the orphanage I would be most grateful. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In "Sunderland East End Revisited" by Alan Tedder, there is an article on the Orphanage. You can get the book from Hills in Waterloo Place, Sunderland. Tel. 0191 5674198 or Email HillsBookshop@btconnect.com Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

Hi Heather I am also looking for a Elizabeth Batty but with two T born about 1836/7/8 may have been in Sunderland she maried my G Grandfather James Allan in the late 1850 or 1860, dont know if this is any use to you but one never knows in this game. Regards Allan 12/01/05 18:56 pm ======================================== Message date : Jan 12 2005, 05:00 AM From : ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-D-request@rootsweb.com To : ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-D@rootsweb.com Copy to : Subject : ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-D Digest V05 #10 Hi all I have recently discovered a list of names to go with an old family photo of my BOLTON and BATY family taken about 1922. There are a couple names of children that don't fit in and hopefully someone can help. Unknown are: Rita PEARSON (London) about 8 years Ken MORRISON about 10 years - I believe he is the son of Lilly BATY and Robert MORRISON Heather Lutz Researching in Sunderland: Bolton, Jefferson, Baty, MacBeth, Menham, Summerville -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm

Hi all I have business in the north east over the coming months and I hope to be able to carry out some local research, and I would be grateful for some guidance of where to start! My questions: 1. How easy is Sunderland to travel about in by public transport, as I have links from Roker to Deptford to St Luke's Road, Pallion, to Toward Road which seems to be quite a spread? 2. Where would I be able to view original BMD entries, and is this place open at the weekend? 3. Where are pre-1837 church records kept, and when and where can they be viewed? 3. I need to visit the Maritime Museum, as my grandfather deposited some family papers with them which I haven't seen since I was about 8. Is it an easy place to research in? 4. Any other suggestions gratefully appreciated. Even though I've had some wonderful help from the list in the last few years, I still have a few areas where I'd like to find out a little more about the families I am researching, which are principally PAXTON's and LAING's. The PAXTONS started in High Ford in the 1750's, then Bishopwearmouth, went to Tynemouth (I don't know why) in the 1820's, then Newcastle briefly, then moved to M'w'mouth in the 1830's where they remained for many years before moving to Glasgow in 1912. My father then went on holidays in the 1940's to Roker. The LAINGS are reputed in family lore to be related to the shipbuilding LAINGS, but I have not yet found the link. (My suspicion is that Philip Laing's brother who left the business is our missing link) They lived in B'w'mouth at various addresses around Deptford Terrace, but marry in M'w'mouth. My records start in 1811'ish and a daughter eventually marries a PAXTON. I have a Gt Grandaunt LAING who my father was very fond of, who married a chap Charles Thomas HOWARD in 1906, and I have numerous photos of them and their daughter, but have been unable to track them down. Grateful for any help and guidance. TIA edward Surrey, England Using Norton Anti-Virus 2005 Researching: Paxton/Laing/Howard/Moat/Patterson in Sunderland and Newcastle Miller/McCurdie in Kilmory, Arran Wyllie in Kilmarnock and Tarbolton, Ayrshire and then in Tradeston, Glasgow McPhail in Campbeltown, Argyll and then in Anderston, Glasgow McPhail in Oban, Argyll and then in Anderson, Glasgow Currie in Milton, Glasgow Mundell/Raffel/Glendinning/Dinwoodie/Leithhead in Moffat and Kirkmichael, Dumfriesshire, and then in Glasgow Kerr/McLeod in Assynt, Sutherland

Hi all I have recently discovered a list of names to go with an old family photo of my BOLTON and BATY family taken about 1922. There are a couple names of children that don't fit in and hopefully someone can help. Unknown are: Rita PEARSON (London) about 8 years Ken MORRISON about 10 years - I believe he is the son of Lilly BATY and Robert MORRISON Heather Lutz Researching in Sunderland: Bolton, Jefferson, Baty, MacBeth, Menham, Summerville

Hi all, I have a James Baty, born Durham 1851 and Mary Jane Bolton, born 1852 Sunderland with 6 children Any help on these names greatly appreciated Ruth Australia---- Original Message ----- From: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-D-request@rootsweb.com> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-D@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 10:00 AM Subject: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-D Digest V05 #8

Adrian - Wards Directory for Sunderland, 1915-1916 lists families living at Nos 5, 11. 16, 17, & 20 Victoria Street, Southwick. No 11 was 'The Victoria Hotel#. The street was located between Stoney Lane and Cross Street. Cross Street was located between King Street and Collin Place. Hope that this helps. Alan Vickers.

I was intrigued to find in the 1871 Census that my g.grandfather Samuel WILSON and his family (wife Margaret, children Samuel, Ralph, Peter, Margaret) were living in the National School, Victoria St., Southwick, although Samuel's occupation was Bottle Maker. Also listed at the National School were Hugh MUNRO, a National Schoolmaster and his family. I assume that there was spare room in the school accommodation, which was rented out; in the 1881 census there are two sets of teachers living there. I can't find Victoria St. on a modern map; was it under the A1231 by any chance? And does anybody know why No. 2, (apparently next to the School) occupied by a John THOMPSON, a Potter-Turner, was known as Noah's Ark? Adrian

See http://www.british-genealogy.com/resources/census/index.htm for more information about censuses. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

A census was taken to record those living in a household at midnight on a Sunday. The dates of the census varied from year to year. Sun/Mon. 6/7th June 1841 Sun/Mon. 30/31st March 1851 Sun/Mon. 7/8th April 1861 Sun/Mon. 2/3rd April 1871 Sun/Mon. 3/4th April 1881 Sun/Mon. 5/6th April 1891 Sun/Mon. 31st March / 1st April 1901 It may be of interest that the actual wording in the Population Act, issued on the 9th August 1850 is 'The census is to be taken on Monday, March 31, of all persons in houses on the previous night.......The Secretary of State is to adopt means to take an account of the number of houseless poor on the night of the 30th of March, and of persons travelling and on shipboard.' Apparently the date was changed to March (it was held in June 1841) because of the 1851 Great Exhibition which was to open on the 1st. of May, which was likely to fill London with many visitors during May and June. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

Hello: Can anyone on the list tell me the "official dates" of the census for England? I know the years but would like to have something more specific. Also, how often was the census actually taken on the prescribed date? Always, sometimes, hardly ever? When I read the UK census for England at the Family History Library in Salt Lake I also found the enumeration date. Now, I'm reading the UK census for England on Ancestry and can't remember where I found the date. I'd appreciate some guidance on this one too, please. And, yes, I realize that the "official date" and the actual date may vary, at least that's my experience with Canada and US records. Oh, one more question: Is it OK to post surnames I'm searching here? Many thanks, Marina Dececo

There is a very interesting article - "The Lanes, Alleys and Quays of Old Sunderland" by C B Walker in "Sunderland's History No 5" - the journal of the Sunderland Antiquarian Society. The list contained in the article was compiled from the early records and runs to thirteen A5 pages. Unfortunately it does not include any references to the current queries on "streets within roads", however it may be a useful article to refer to on occasions. Alan Vickers.

Hello All Does anybody have the following in there tree as follows; John Hall, Married Jane Dixon in Sunderland in 1829 they had a daughter Eleanor Ann who was born around 1831. however this was John Hall's 2nd Marriage he had the following children from a previous marriage of which I cant find Robert. Jane John Maybe someone can help Regards Allan Robson -- Message sent with Supanet E-mail Signup to supanet at https://signup.supanet.com/cgi-bin/signup?_origin=sigwebmail

I have been in contact with a local historian who has provided me with information from the 1925 directory. From this it seems that Campbell Terrace was located on the East side of Fulwell Road, probably running between Browne Road and Sidecliffe Road. Alan Vickers.