Hi All Can anyone tell me if the following streets still exist and where. Bank Street and Barrack Street, i used to live in Hendon and the place called the Parade was not far away i thought this may have been a likely spot for the last named Street. Thank you for any info forth coming. Regards Allan. 28/01/05 14:51pm -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm

Barrack Street is still there see http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=440791&Y=557612&A=Y&Z=1 Bank Street is not, it was to the north of Barrack Street and ran parallel to the river between Long Bank and Pottery Bank. The Parade is some distance away to the south see http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=440860&Y=556327&A=Y&Z=1 You can see old maps of Sunderland at _http://www.tomorrows-history.com/mapping/maps.htm_ (http://www.tomorrows-history.com/mapping/maps.htm) Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

Hi Peter, My husbands GGrandmother GRACE GRIEVESON was born in Gateshead in 1850 but was christened in Monkwearmouth in 1851. Parents were ROBERT GRIEVESON and JANE PORTEOUS.I have found other siblings JANE ANN c 1851 Monkwearmouth,ELIZABETH AMANDA b 1852 Sunderland,ELEANOR HANNAH b 1857 Sunderland,WILLIAM PORTEOUS b 1860 Sunderland and GEORGE THOMAS b 1866 at Jarrow. Do you know the parents of your Robert? Marie > My Great Grandfather was Robert Grieveson born in 1849 in the Sunderland / > Monkwearmouth area of Durham. > > > > He was, I believe, married 2 (possibly 3) times: > > > > > > 1 to Jane Clephan in 1869 (this is the one I am not sure about) > > > > Possible child = Robert born > about 1869 > > > > 2 to my Great Grandmother Catherine Crawford in 1878 in Hendor, > Bishopwearmouth > > > > Children = Annie born > about 1879 > > Amelia/Emillia > 1883 (My Grandmother) > > Lilian Elizabeth > 1883 > > Edward Crawford > 1884 > > Joseph Henderson > 1886 > > Isabella Fox > 1888 > > Ralph Crawford > 1890 > > Mary Ann > 1892 > > > > 3 to Margaret Ruth Whittaker in 1897 in Hartlepool > > > > Children = George Whittaker > 1900 > > > > > > My Grandmother and her sister Isabella were adopted by a family member and > ended up in Wales around about the turn of the century where my Grandmother > met my Grandfather from the Frome area of Somerset. Amelia Grieveson and > my grandfather (William Herbert Trussler) were married in Swansea in 1904 > > > > I would be most interested to hear from anyone who is interested in any of > the above names. > > > > Best regards > > > > Peter Jones > > > > > > ==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== > To unsubscribe from this list send a message to > ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L-request@rootsweb.com > that contains (in the body of the message) the command unsubscribe > to unsubscribe from digest send the command unsubscribe to > ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-D-request@rootsweb.com >

Hi Lyn/Everyone Reference for marriage of Eleanor Hore & John S Waters should have read Sep Qtr 10a 658 (don't know where the 19b came from) Sunderland A quick look at freeBMB brings up marriage Sarah Jane Hore & John Stafford Waters Sep Qtr 10a 852 Sunderland Kathryn ----- Original Message ----- From: "kogden" <kogden@supanet.com> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 6:41 PM Subject: Re: [SUNDERLAND] HORE/WATERS FAMILY > Hi Lyn > > I think I have links to these families but not everything quite ties up. On > the 1871 census I have a John and Eleanor Waters living with Eleanor's > widowed mother Mary Ann Hore (nee Drummond). Also with them is Eleanor's > younger sister Sarah and their son William age 1 year. In the September Qtr > 1869 marriage index Eleanor Ann Hore and John Stafford Waters are listed on > the same page (19b 658) On the 1881 census John S Waters wife is down as > Sarah, so did Eleanor die and John marry her sister? I was under the > impression that a marriage between a man and his wife's sister was regarded > as incest. Can anyone confirm this? > > Mary Ann Hore was the daughter of James Drummond and Mary Husband. She > married William Hoar in 1840, all I know about William is that he was a > mariner and his father was called John, I think William died in 1858. I > have been searching for William and Mary Ann Hoar on the 1861 census as Mary > Ann is the sister of my ggg grandfather James Drummond. James' mother died > when he was 2 years old and in 1851 he was living with his grandparents > James & Mary Drummond but he was not with them in 1861. I have not had any > luck with the 1861 so far but I will have a look over the next few weeks to > see if I can find any trace of them on the 1851. > > Kathryn > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Lyn Tregilgas" <lyn.tregilgas@ozemail.com.au> > To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 12:27 AM > Subject: [SUNDERLAND] HORE/WATERS FAMILY > > > > I am researching the above families both separately and together. John > Stafford Waters b. 1845 Durham also a brother William. I have no idea who > their parents were. > > > > I know Joihn married Sarah Jane Hore, don't know when but their son > William was born in 1867 and Eleanor b. 1875. > > > > I would really appreciate sks willing to look up the 1851 census which may > give me details on both families. > > > > Regards > > Lyn Tregilgas > > in hot and sunny Adelaide > > South Australia > > > > > > ==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== > > Hylton Castle, > > http://blake.sunderland.ac.uk/~ta5msy/castle.htm > > > > > > ==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== > Hylton Castle, > http://blake.sunderland.ac.uk/~ta5msy/castle.htm >

Hi Lyn I think I have links to these families but not everything quite ties up. On the 1871 census I have a John and Eleanor Waters living with Eleanor's widowed mother Mary Ann Hore (nee Drummond). Also with them is Eleanor's younger sister Sarah and their son William age 1 year. In the September Qtr 1869 marriage index Eleanor Ann Hore and John Stafford Waters are listed on the same page (19b 658) On the 1881 census John S Waters wife is down as Sarah, so did Eleanor die and John marry her sister? I was under the impression that a marriage between a man and his wife's sister was regarded as incest. Can anyone confirm this? Mary Ann Hore was the daughter of James Drummond and Mary Husband. She married William Hoar in 1840, all I know about William is that he was a mariner and his father was called John, I think William died in 1858. I have been searching for William and Mary Ann Hoar on the 1861 census as Mary Ann is the sister of my ggg grandfather James Drummond. James' mother died when he was 2 years old and in 1851 he was living with his grandparents James & Mary Drummond but he was not with them in 1861. I have not had any luck with the 1861 so far but I will have a look over the next few weeks to see if I can find any trace of them on the 1851. Kathryn ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lyn Tregilgas" <lyn.tregilgas@ozemail.com.au> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 25, 2005 12:27 AM Subject: [SUNDERLAND] HORE/WATERS FAMILY > I am researching the above families both separately and together. John Stafford Waters b. 1845 Durham also a brother William. I have no idea who their parents were. > > I know Joihn married Sarah Jane Hore, don't know when but their son William was born in 1867 and Eleanor b. 1875. > > I would really appreciate sks willing to look up the 1851 census which may give me details on both families. > > Regards > Lyn Tregilgas > in hot and sunny Adelaide > South Australia > > > ==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== > Hylton Castle, > http://blake.sunderland.ac.uk/~ta5msy/castle.htm >

I am researching the above families both separately and together. John Stafford Waters b. 1845 Durham also a brother William. I have no idea who their parents were. I know Joihn married Sarah Jane Hore, don't know when but their son William was born in 1867 and Eleanor b. 1875. I would really appreciate sks willing to look up the 1851 census which may give me details on both families. Regards Lyn Tregilgas in hot and sunny Adelaide South Australia

Hi all, Does anyone have access and able to do a lookup for me please, Peel Street , Sunderland. Surnames : Vallaney/ Vallany or Gallagher. Thankyou Angela

Hi all, Does any one have access and able to do a lookup for me, please for Thomas Augustine (Or maybe Thomas) Ridley, probably as a joiner Frank (Francis) abt 1854 1877 they were living at 2 William Street, Rylton Road TIA Ruth Ridley Australia

Hi Ruth Could it be Hylton Rd as Rylton does not ring bells ? Cheers from Pat in chilly Sunderland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth" <reridley10@optusnet.com.au> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2005 12:28 AM Subject: [SUNDERLAND] 1871 Census > Hi all, > Does any one have access and able to do a lookup for me, please for > Thomas Augustine (Or maybe Thomas) Ridley, probably as a joiner > Frank (Francis) abt 1854 > 1877 they were living at 2 William Street, Rylton Road > TIA > Ruth Ridley > Australia > > > ==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== > History of Sunderland, > http://www.sunderland-index.co.uk/history/history01.html > >

In a message dated 24/01/2005 01:16:25 GMT Standard Time, reridley10@optusnet.com.au writes: 1877 they were living at 2 William Street, Rylton Road William Street was on the north side of Hylton Road opposite the hospital, between Bell Street and Peacock Street West. There was no street called Rylton in Sunderland. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

Hi Ruth I wasn't really clear about Thomas but I did find a Frances RIDLEY in Durham born about 1854. There are a lot of Thoams RIDLEYs in Durham so could use some more info if you have it. Take care and have a great day. Murray Jones Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada ************************* 1871 Census Civil parish: Bishop Wearmouth Ecclesiastical parish: St Andrew County/Island: Durham Country: England Street address: 43 Nedbury? St Source information: RG10/5001 Registration district: Sunderland Sub-registration district: North Bishop Wearmouth ED, institution, or vessel: 14 Folio/Page: 85/50 & 86/61 Household schedule number: 293 Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Frances Ridley 16 Bishop Wearmouth, Durham Relative* Joiners Apprentice Emma Swan 28 Bishop Wearmouth, Durham Wife Emma Jane Swan 2 Sunderland, Durham Daughter Jos Swan 4 Sunderland, Durham Son Matthew R Swan 28 Fulwell, Durham Head Matthew Thos Swan 6 Sunderland, Durham Son *No indication what the relationship is. *************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruth" <reridley10@optusnet.com.au> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 23, 2005 6:28 PM Subject: [SUNDERLAND] 1871 Census > Hi all, > Does any one have access and able to do a lookup for me, please for Thomas > Augustine (Or maybe Thomas) Ridley, probably as a joiner > Frank (Francis) abt 1854 1877 they were living at 2 William Street, > Rylton Road > TIA > Ruth Ridley > Australia > > > ==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== > History of Sunderland, > http://www.sunderland-index.co.uk/history/history01.html > > >

Hello my name is Maureen Hauser and I am just beginning a search for ancestors. I know that my mother's family - Hunters - lived in Sunderland, County durham. I have a Marjorie Hunter (my Mother) - born 1928 Reginald Hunter (my grandfather) -born 1906 - Married in Sunderland in 1928 to Clara Isabella Smith also from Sunderland Anthony Hunter (great Grandfather) - Born 1883 - Married rebecca Gillman in March 1902 Thomas Hunter (great great Grandfather) - Born in Jarrow 1862 - married Frances Fenwick in about 1882 Also a great great grandfather - William Gillman - born c1858 in Sunderland - married Elizabeth Parton G Ford in 1877 in Sunderland (June Qtr) Does anyone know any of these people Please help Maureen Allen (nee Hunter)

Hello I wonder if someone in Sunderland may be able to help. I wrote a letter to the Sunderland Echo just after Christmas, hoping they may publish an article that would help me locate relatives of my great grandfather JAMES LINCOLN RACKSTRAW who left Sunderland in 1912. I understand they may have published the article in the last few weeks. If anybody there has a scanner and has a copy of the article ... could they email me a copy? I hope this isn't too much to ask. I sent them a couple of photographs taken in the 1960 of my relatives in Sunderland so they might have published those too. Thank you very much Tony Rackstraw Christchurch, New Zealand. -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 19/01/05

Tony - the article "A life across the sea" appeared in last night's "Sunderland Echo". It included a section "Do you know his siblings?" The article is a full page and I am unable to scan it for you. It occurs to me that you may be able to access it via the newspaper's website. If you are unable to access the page or if you do not obtain a scan of the page I can send the article to you via ordinary post. Alan Vickers.

Did you know about the on-line Echo at http://www.sunderland-echo.co.uk/ ? Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

Has anybody an interest in George Lindsay 1863-c1952 and the company Lindsay Swan Hunter. My interest is really with his brother Robert James Lindsay my great Grandfather but am also interested in George who appears to have led an interesting life. Jim Robertson

Hello All Would anybody have any of the following in there tree. John Robson born Corbridge 1805 a Joiner by trade was Married to Eleanor Urwin born Byker 1809 they lived in Bishopwearmouth from 1850 onwards after previously living at Hetton-Le-Hole there children were`as follows: Robert born 1827 Jane born 1829 Mary Ann born 1832 Elizabeth born 1833 Douglas born 1835 John born 1840 Margaret born 1841 Arrmstrong born 1843. Douglas, John, & Armstrong were all Seaman in The Merchant Service. If anyone has link to any of the above family I would like to hear from them. Regards Allan Robson

Can anyone help I have a James Perry born Southwick 1820 I am trying to find out his parents names. Also William and Thomas Perry born South Hylton circa 1822/5. there parents. Does anyone have any ideas please Ken Perry -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.7.1 - Release Date: 19/01/2005

Dear Grant, Noticing your interest in major Shipbuilding families, I was wondering if you had heard of James Allison's yard on Monkwearmouth Shore. It lasted from 1818 until 1833 and one of the THOMPSONS (Robert 1797-1860) did his apprenticeship there. James Allison was Mayor of Sunderland twice and, whilst I wouldn't call him exactly "major", you can get a "bead" on his/my family at http://members.cox.net/ghgraham/jamesallison.html .Have you any knowledge of this family? Likewise, noting your interest in Sunderland MP's, I am trying to trace the origins of Sir Edward Temperley GOURLEY (1826-1902), who was an MP for Sunderland for 32 years (1868-1900). Rumour has it that the Gourleys came from Fife, but despite his knighthood and apparent renown, I've never been able to get behind Sir Edward's father, who was John Young Gourley, 1801-1867, a shipowner who lived in St Bede's Terrace. Any ideas you may have on how I could get further would be valued. Thanks in advance and Happy New Year! Clifford Allison. _________________________ Grant White Born Sunderland, now living London, England Always on the lookout for the major shipbuilding families of Wearside.

A couple of years ago I was corresponding with Pat Allinson about Sunderland MP 1922-1929 Sir Luke Thompson. If you're still interested I have some more data, but your old e-mail seems to be inactive ... please get back in touch. Many thanks Grant White Born Sunderland, now living London, England Always on the lookout for the major shipbuilding families of Wearside.