In a message dated 07/02/2005 15:54:55 GMT Standard Time, joanmurray@xtra.co.nz writes: A copy of the family status taken from the 1901 census has under the 'where born' section for my GG ..Liveden British Subject.Could any lister explain what that term means. Joan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From the 1861 Census British subjects by birth born in foreign parts had to be distinguished from those who were naturalised and from 1901 country of nationality, as distinct from birth, had to be given. Liveden is obviously a mistranscription of Sweden, as Liveden is a town in Moldova. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

Hi, Everyone! I just received a certified copy of an entry of death from the GRO for Cuthbert Hall. The copy lists his occupation as "Wagon Rider". Can anyone describe to me what a Wagon Rider's job actually is? By the way, it turned out that the Cuthbert on the entry of death is not my Cuthbert! Perhaps he belongs to someone else out there. Cuthbert Hall, died Sept 18, 1877, age: 54 years, occupation: wagon rider, cause of death: diarhea & debility (certified by WA Hope, LSA, signature: George Bell, present at the death: Margaret Hall, Sunderland, location of death: Booth Street, district: North Bishopwearmouth, Co. Durham. Another question! Does anyone know what the designation LSA following the name of the person certifying the death means? Thank you in advance. Charles San Diego, CA, USA

My G-Grandfather was born in Sweden in 1846 and then married a Sunderland girl and took up residence in Sunderland .A copy of the family status taken from the 1901 census has under the 'where born' section for my GG ..Liveden British Subject.Could any lister explain what that term means.Joan

Hello Someone is selling on Ebay a photograph of Sunderland WW1 soldier Percy Johnson. Might be someone in this groups relative. WRITING ON BACK PERCY JOHNSON 39 WOODBINE ST HENDON SUNDERLAND Item number: 6151234623 Regards Tony Rackstraw -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.5 - Release Date: 3/02/05

Hi Philip, Thanks for your info. The reason I'm looking for Laura White is... My Grandad, Trevor Morris, Believed his mother to be Laura White. However when he received a copy of his birth certificate it stated his mother as being Maria May Johnson. He has 4 older siblings the eldest being Donald Ogilvie, b 1924, to the same mother, different father, in the UK. Trevor and the middle 3 sibs were born in New Zealand. The 2 elder of the 3 have Laura White as on their birth certs. The 3rd has the same as Trevor. The same woman gave birth to all 5 children. We are trying to determine her true identity. Any help as to where I should be looking or what I should be looking for would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Karina.

Hello All Does anybody have the following in there Family Tree Thomas Blackburn born 1805 Wakefield his wife was Sarah born Corbridge 1808 I do not have her maiden name. These are the children I know about, but there may be more. Mary Ann born Sunderland 1835/6 Elizabeth born Stella, Gatehead, Elizabeth married John Bell who was a Sailor. The Family lived in Cleadon, Whitburn, Thomas and Sarah & Mary Ann ran the Grocer shop in the Village. Maybe someone can help. Regards Allan Robson

Hi Listers, I'm looking for a Laura White b 1890, Sunderland. In 1929 she boarded a ship, with 5yr old son Donald Ogilvie, for New Zealand. On board she met a Thomas Morris, a crew member, who cared for her while she was sick. She had 4 childen to him and later married him, all in NZ. Any help would be greatly appreciated, Karina. Australia

Hi all Can anyone find the GRO index number for the birth of Harry Gustard Roxby. He was born on around 4 December 1878, but I am unable to find the index number. I am wanting to order the birth certificate so that I can confirm his mothers maiden name. Hope someone out there can help! Thanks Frances

In a message dated 04/02/2005 18:37:51 GMT Standard Time, fvproud@btopenworld.com writes: He was born on around 4 December 1878, Hi Frances, If you are sure of the approx date you can get the certificate from Sunderland Register Office, the GRO Index is not needed when you order from the local office. The cost is the same. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

Hallo I am hoping that someone else has connections to GEORGE BROWN who married MARGARET GRAY in the Parish Church of Seaton 18. 10. 1852 George's father was also GEORGE BROWN BLACKSMITH Margaret's father was BENJAMIN GRAY MINER. They came to Australia shortly after marrying. Any help on the family still in Durham would be great. Many Thanks Barbara

I wished to thank everyone for the fantastic response. I did not expect anything so soon! Yes I had done my research for Free BDM and thankyou to Tim for your effort. I would not have asked without at least making the effort myself before I asked. If I can assist anyone with some lancs or chesire items, I have several resources for my own family tree who belonged in that area. Unfortunatley my resources on Durham Co, is zilch. Anyway please contact me off list. Again thanks so much to all and now I will see where the info leads me, but I think he might have to spend some pennies to buy certificates. I know it cost me heaps for my own family history, but so lovely to have! Lynn Cheshire Cat in OZ

----- Original Message ----- From: "Our Mail" <ourmail@chez-williams.com> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 1:49 PM Subject: [SUNDERLAND] Wright > I am trying to trace the parents of Samuel Wright (a mariner) who married Sarah Jane Greenwell (born in Monkwearmouth) at Long Benton Northumberland on 10 Mar 1868. Hi John Does it help to know Samuel was born in Belfast? Assuming of course, this is your family in 1871. Take care. Murray Jones Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada ********************************* 1871 British Census Civil parish: Bishop Wearmouth Ecclesiastical parish: Hendon St Paul County/Island: Durham Country: England Street address: Source information: RG10/5007 Registration district: Sunderland Sub-registration district: South Bishop Wearmouth ED, institution, or vessel: 9 Folio: 75 Page: 73 Household schedule number: 405 Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Ralph G Wright 2 Sunderland, Durham Son Samuel Wright 31 Belfast, Ireland Head Sarah J Wright 21 Sunderland, Durham Wife ****************************** Household Record 1881 British Census Name RelationMarital StatusGenderAgeBirthplaceOccupationDisability Sarah J. WRIGHT Sister (Head) M Female 31 Sunderland, Durham, England Sailors Wife Ralph WRIGHT St Son Male 12 Sunderland, Durham, England John WRIGHT St Son Male 9 Sunderland, Durham, England Samuel WRIGHT St Son Male 4 Sunderland, Durham, England Robert WRIGHT St Son Male 2 Sunderland, Durham, England Source Information: Dwelling 155 Victor Street Census PlaceMonkwearmouth Shore, Durham, England Family History Library Film 1342206 Public Records Office Reference RG11 Piece / Folio 5007 / 83 Page Number 91 ********************************

Trying again with the correct address!! I am trying to trace the parents of Samuel Wright (a mariner) who married Sarah Jane Greenwell (born in Monkwearmouth) at Long Benton Northumberland on 10 Mar 1868. They lived in Sunderland after their marriage and had 4 sons (Ralph, John, Samuel and Robert). I know from the marriage certificate that his father was also Samuel (a carpenter) probably born around 1805 but I don't know who his mother was. Does anyone know anything about this family? John

Hello listers! Hoping that someone out there may know the answer to this little poser! I am trying to trace back down my paternal line, the Roxbys (also the Hillams). I have found what I assume was my grt grt grandfathers birth in the Family Search records. It says that he was christened in 1823 in Houghton-le-Spring and that his mother was Jane Roxby. There is no mention of the father! Could this be that whoever input the records just didn't know? - Or was he illegitimate? If anyone out there can help that would be great! Frances Proud (nee Roxby)

Hi, Lynne, Some results from FreeBMD. I suspoect that you can't get at the 1930's records yet. Births Jun 1901 ORR Frances Bulger Sunderland 10a 768 Births Dec 1906 Cowan Nancy Sunderland 10a 748 Marriages Sep 1904 Cowan James Sunderland 10a 1097 Nicholson Annie Sunderland 10a 1097 Good luck, Tim S. (please remove my fairly obvious spam trap if you wish to contact me directly) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lynn Elves" <elvesgandalf@hotmail.com> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2005 6:01 PM Subject: [genealogy] [SUNDERLAND] new to list and names > Hi It has been a few years since I did research, this was mainly on Chesire > adn Lancs lists. So Hi > > My Name is Lynn and I am helping my partner trace his family history. > > The surnames I am interested in: > Orr - Thomas, Francis Bulger, Margaret and siblings etc. Francis Bulder Orr > married Nancy Cowan > Nicholson- Annie - Annie married a James Cowan around 1907 in Sunderland, > Cowan, James, Nancy his daughter. > King _ charles edward King b 1931 and his fatherJohn Geroge King who married > Elizabeth Murdock. They may have been from Ireland. > > I have tried searching the Durham site and then I lost where I was, it was > free and gave good details. > I searched, free BDM, > Family search ( and found no names- maybe I did it wrong) > I tried the 1881 census, but because I dont have exact dates this is not > possible. > 1901 censu, but cant afford the costs, I had a decoder but it has a run time > error and think its way too old now. > I had the first set of British vital records, but again difficult as I > really dont have great details. > > I beleive they were all born and married in or around Sunderland. > Rough dates: > Margaret Orr b 1932 > Nancy Cowan b 1908 > Francis Bulger Orr b approx 1900-1901 > James COwan and Annie Nicholson married 1907 > Charles Edward King b 1931 > > Any assistance or ideas welcome Many thanks > > Lynn Johnson > Cheshire Cat In OZ > > > > ==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== > To post to the list, messages should be sent to > ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com >

Hi It has been a few years since I did research, this was mainly on Chesire adn Lancs lists. So Hi My Name is Lynn and I am helping my partner trace his family history. The surnames I am interested in: Orr - Thomas, Francis Bulger, Margaret and siblings etc. Francis Bulder Orr married Nancy Cowan Nicholson- Annie - Annie married a James Cowan around 1907 in Sunderland, Cowan, James, Nancy his daughter. King _ charles edward King b 1931 and his fatherJohn Geroge King who married Elizabeth Murdock. They may have been from Ireland. I have tried searching the Durham site and then I lost where I was, it was free and gave good details. I searched, free BDM, Family search ( and found no names- maybe I did it wrong) I tried the 1881 census, but because I dont have exact dates this is not possible. 1901 censu, but cant afford the costs, I had a decoder but it has a run time error and think its way too old now. I had the first set of British vital records, but again difficult as I really dont have great details. I beleive they were all born and married in or around Sunderland. Rough dates: Margaret Orr b 1932 Nancy Cowan b 1908 Francis Bulger Orr b approx 1900-1901 James COwan and Annie Nicholson married 1907 Charles Edward King b 1931 Any assistance or ideas welcome Many thanks Lynn Johnson Cheshire Cat In OZ

======================================== Message date : Jan 29 2005, 03:00 AM From : ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-D-request@rootsweb.com To : ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-D@rootsweb.com Copy to : Subject : ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-D Digest V05 #22 Barrack Street is still there see http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=440791&Y=557612&A=Y&Z=1 Bank Street is not, it was to the north of Barrack Street and ran parallel to the river between Long Bank and Pottery Bank. The Parade is some distance away to the south see http://www.streetmap.co.uk/streetmap.dll?G2M?X=440860&Y=556327&A=Y&Z=1 You can see old maps of Sunderland at _http://www.tomorrows-history.com/mapping/maps.htm_ (http://www.tomorrows-history.com/mapping/maps.htm) Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org I see you are still a font of knowlgedge, hope i have got that right, anyway thank you for info. Regards Allan. 29/01/05 14:19pm -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm

Plus any other name will be well received ! Researching Daniel TOFT who married a Mary ELDER on Aug.11th.1816 at Bishopwearmouth & Thomas TOFT was born on Oct.24th.1826 at Sunderland. Thomas Toft married Mary Clark 1853 Mary Clark had a son John Clark born 1853 ( My GGGrandfather ) who to complicate things went through life as toft & Clark 1853 John Clark-Toft born Sunderland 1855 Mary Jane TOFT born Sunderland 1857 Elizabeth Elder TOFT born Sunderland married 1875 Charles Warren? (Half sister to John Clark parents Thomas and Mary Clark? 1869 Thomas TOFT and Elizabeth Zilpah Beadle married Sunderland moved to census Dawdon 1862 Catherine TOFT and Nicholas Collings married in Sunderland moved to census Dawdon 1863 George TOFT married Annie Alexandria Withett 1884 March 1865 Robert Toft Married Elizabeth Jane Ayre Sunderland 1885 1868 Daniel TOFT born Sunderland 1873 13TH April John CLARK of Pemberton St ( who gave his fathers name as Thomas Clark) married Mary Jane WHATCOTT of Silver St (Father William Whatcott mariner )13th APRIL 1873 Cheers Pat

In a message dated 29/01/2005 07:02:38 GMT Standard Time, elvesgandalf@hotmail.com writes: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Another snippet a Thomas Orr married either Annie Bourn or Martha Elves in the March ¼ 1900 in Sunderland. They do not appear in the 1901 Census in Sunderland, probably been mistranscribed. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

In a message dated 29/01/2005 07:02:38 GMT Standard Time, elvesgandalf@hotmail.com writes: Francis Bulger Orr b approx 1900-1901 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> His birth was registered in the June ¼ of 1901. Do you know his parents names? Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org