Hi Folks wonder if someone can help. A friend of mine has a marriage certificate that just states Sunderland RC Chapel. She has checked St Benets and St Mary's RC Churches but no sign of the couple. It is before St Hilda's was opened. I wonder - does anyone know which church this certificate might relate to. Many thanks Diane R --------------------------------- ALL-NEW Yahoo! Messenger - all new features - even more fun!

In answer to Allan's Robson query Unfortunately they often fibbed as to where they were born Some of my lines gave Sunderland & Staffordshire on different census Or could he have been illegitimate and registered under another name Cheers from Pat in windy Sunderland

Hello All I am just wondering about the following, while search for my Gt,Gt,Grandfather who name is John Robson who says on the 1861 Census he was born in Bishopwearmouth I checked the Sunderland Birth Reistrations and found that there was not a single John Robson Birth Registered in Sunderland during the years of 1839 and 1840 and one in 1838 and one entry in 1841 both of which are not my line. With John Robson being such a common name in this area is it possible that some birth registrations although recorded have bee missed off the St Catherines Index. Regards Allan Robson

Is there any possibility that he was illegitimate and so given the mother's surname, adopting RObson on the mother's marriage? edward Surrey, England Using Norton Anti-Virus 2005 Researching: Paxton/Laing/Howard/Moat/Patterson in Sunderland and Newcastle Miller/McCurdie in Kilmory, Arran Wyllie in Kilmarnock and Tarbolton, Ayrshire and then in Tradeston, Glasgow McPhail in Campbeltown, Argyll and then in Anderston, Glasgow McPhail in Oban, Argyll and then in Anderston, Glasgow Currie in Milton, Glasgow Mundell/Raffel/Glendinning/Dinwoodie/Leithhead in Moffat and Kirkmichael, Dumfriesshire, and then in Glasgow Kerr/McLeod in Assynt, Sutherland

----- Original Message ----- From: <Margenlw@aol.com> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 4:05 AM Subject: [genealogy] [SUNDERLAND] Re: Street query > > Good Afternoon listers, > > I have received a 1842 marriage certificate solemnized in the > Bishopswearmouth area of Sunderland. > > Unfortunaltey I cannot read the name of the street where the bride > lived, nor have I been able to get hold of an old map of the area. > > The name looks like Sword Row? Sows Row? Sors Row? Sort Row? > > Could anyone please help me with either of these problems, or both; > purchasing an old map or this elusive name. > > Many thanks. > > Regards > > Marge > Marge, If you open http://www.old-maps.co.uk/gazetteer/10durha111/10durha111gazB.htm and then click on Bishopwearmouth, you will see a map from 1861. You can enlarge it, and may perhaps find the street that you are looking for. You can also purchase a hard copy of the map from that site. Just a wild guess - could your address be Silksworth Row, abbreviated as "S'worth Row" to fit into the available space on the certificate? In the past I have found the registrars at Sunderland can be very helpful. You may find that an email to them, asking if they could examine the original certificate for you, could solve your puzzles. ( registrars@sunderland.gov.uk ) HTH Tim S.

I am puzzled!! In the 1871 census Ihave John Costello ,born London aged 36, Equestrian Jester , lodging 24, Regent Street, Wigan with Ellen Costello, Wife ,Born Gloucester, Aged24, and Ada Clementine Costello,Daughter aged 6mnths born in Scarborough. In the 1881 census I have John Costello,born London,aged 46,Equestrian lodging 21, Burlington Street, Ashton Under Lyne, Lancashire with Ellen Costello,Wife,aged22 ,born Hereford (Gloucs?) and Mary Jane Costello,Daughter, aged 10, born Scarborough. I have found Ada Clementine vol.9d page 307 and a Mary Jane vol.9d 305 both born in Scarborough in 1870 - registered in dec qtr. Where was Mary Jane in 1871 and where was Ada Clementine in 1881? Was an Equestrian Jester someone who made people laugh while riding a horse? Any ideas anyone? Regards Pam

Hello Listers, What a lovely lot of people you are. Thank you all so much for your lists of maps and suggestions for the proper name. Kind regards Marge

Hi Marge Silksworth Row shortened ? It ran down towards St Michaels and All Angels I do have a map I could try to scan if you would like to try Cheers Pat

Is the list still active?? I don't seem to be getting any mail at all.

In a message dated 11/02/2005 17:06:39 GMT Standard Time, Margenlw@aol.com writes: The name looks like Sword Row? Sows Row? Sors Row? Sort Row? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There is no street or lane in Bishopwearmouth at that date with a name like that. I agree with Tim S. that it is Silksworth Row. If you want old maps of Sunderland then there are: 1836 Sunderland Area http://aesica.dur.ac.uk/pip/singlezoom.asp?img=p2354&ref1=2225 1826 map Sunderland http://aesica.dur.ac.uk/pip/singlezoom.asp?img=p1666&ref1=1813 1827 map Sunderland http://aesica.dur.ac.uk/pip/singlezoom.asp?img=p2387&ref1=2258 1831 map Sunderland http://aesica.dur.ac.uk/pip/singlezoom.asp?img=p2379&ref1=2250 1844 map Sunderland http://aesica.dur.ac.uk/pip/singlezoom.asp?img=p2357&ref1=2228 1850 map Sunderland http://aesica.dur.ac.uk/pip/singlezoom.asp?img=p2381&ref1=2252 1851 map Sunderland http://aesica.dur.ac.uk/pip/singlezoom.asp?img=p2650&ref1=2415 Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

Good Afternoon listers, I have received a 1842 marriage certificate solemnized in the Bishopswearmouth area of Sunderland. Unfortunaltey I cannot read the name of the street where the bride lived, nor have I been able to get hold of an old map of the area. The name looks like Sword Row? Sows Row? Sors Row? Sort Row? Could anyone please help me with either of these problems, or both; purchasing an old map or this elusive name. Many thanks. Regards Marge an old map

Hi Joan List appears to be working. Just very quiet these days. Murray Jones Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joan Anderson" <joanchantelle@onetel.com> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 8:17 AM Subject: [SUNDERLAND] no mail > Is the list still active?? I don't seem to be getting any mail at all. > > > ==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== > The Lambton Worm, > http://orac.sunderland.ac.uk/lambton.html > > >

For Stan, I keep looking at the VCH site but there seems to be nothing more on the Sunderland section. Publishing of the history of Sunderland to 1719 was listed as 2004, is this the one referred to below - has anything happened yet. Best Regards David Rowntree -----Original Message----- From: Stanmapstone@aol.com [mailto:Stanmapstone@aol.com] Sent: Sunday, 22 August 2004 9:39 PM To: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SUNDERLAND] Database of Ancestors in Sunderland In the September issue of Family Tree Magazine is a letter from Ken Coleman stating that he has a database of the baptisms, marriages and burials, covering 1567-1812 for the parishes of Monkwearmouth and Bishopwearmouth including Sunderland, amounting to over 100,000 entries. He is hoping that the database may be completed and put online to coincide with the Victoria County History launch of the History of Sunderland. If you send him written enquiries with a SAE, he will sweep his database. There is no search fee but donations to cover administration costs will be appreciated. I will send his address to anyone interested, as I am reluctant to put it on the list without his permission.. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org ==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== The Lambton Worm, http://orac.sunderland.ac.uk/lambton.html

Hello All Does anybody have the following family in there tree: James Bevan married Elizabeth Blackburn Bell in Sunderland in 1892. they had the following Children Isabell born 1894 Elizabeth born 1895 Stanley born 1897 Vera born 1899 on the 1901 Census the family lived at 2 Chatsworth Street, Sunderland there may have been more children but this all I have. Maybe someone can help. Regards Allan Robson -- Message sent with Supanet E-mail Signup to supanet at https://signup.supanet.com/cgi-bin/signup?_origin=sigwebmail

In a message dated 09/02/2005 00:37:20 GMT Standard Time, davtree@bigpond.com writes: I keep looking at the VCH site but there seems to be nothing more on the Sunderland section. Publishing of the history of Sunderland to 1719 was listed as 2004, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Hi David, It seems that the five-year project will be completed in 2007. As well as the main volume there will be a paperback published in 2005 called The Origins of Sunderland, which will cover the development of the town up until 1719. http://www.sunderland.ac.uk/caffairs/203dec5.htm Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

JANE ARKLE married George Etherington on 10 Sep 1867. Her father was WILLIAM was described as a carter. Jane was born in abt 1846 in Sunderland. I believe her father was born in Rothbury Northumberland abt 1819. Does anyone have access to the 1851 or 1861 census for Sunderland - which should show the family? I am particularly interested in the names dates and places of birth of the various family members. John

Charles - a Wagon Rider was often employed by a colliery to work on the colliery railway, often a rope-hauled one working on an incline. His job was to ride on the last wagon that was being hauled up the incline to see that the wagons remained on the track. Alan Vickers.

Hello, Everyone! I am researching the Hall and Murray Families of Sunderland. Should anyone have links or information to the line described below, please contact me. Name Cuthbert HALL Birth 1819, Sunderland, Durham County, England Occupation Shipwright (capenter) aboard the vessel Bradley Spouse Elizabeth MURRAY Birth 1823, Sunderland, Durham County, England Occupation Homemaker Children1 F Mary HALL Birth 23 Mar 1855, Sunderland, England Death 20 Nov 1943, San Diego, San Diego County, CA Spouse John George WILLS, SR. Marriage 6 Apr 1874, Sunderland, Durham County, England 2 F Elizabeth HALL Birth 1861, Sunderland, Durham County, England 3 F Margaret HALL Birth 1866, Sunderland, Durham County, England 4 F Annie HALL Birth 1869, Sunderland, Durham County, England Notes for Cuthbert HALLThe 1891 England Census shows the family living at 4 Brougham St. in a four room house. Hope to hear from someone! Charles San Diego, CA, USA

In a message dated 07/02/2005 17:14:37 GMT Standard Time, keeptruckin@cox.net writes: The copy lists his occupation as "Wagon Rider". Can anyone describe to me what a Wagon Rider's job actually is? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> A wagon rider, aka wagonman, bank rider or brakesman (coal drops); accompanied loaded coal wagons (running alongside) down the gradient on which the wagon gravitated, and used the brake bar to check the speed when necessary, and sometimes operated the points lever to run the wagons into the sidings. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

Thank you Stan and Alan for your timely responses. They are much appreciated. Charles