RG 9/3751 Parish: Seaham (part) (Divided between RG 9/3747 & 3751) Hamlet: Seaham (8) Hamlet: New Seaham Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

In a message dated 20/02/2005 21:55:18 GMT Standard Time, jmhurst@eastleake.net writes: Hello, can anyone tell me what the piece no is for Seaham Harbour in the 1861 census please >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Maureen. To find out what piece number relates to any place go to http://www.catalogue.nationalarchives.gov.uk/search.asp The series codes for the various censuses are 1841 HO107 1851 HO107 1861 RG9 1871 RG10 1881 RG11 1891 RG12 1901 RG13 RG 9/3749 Parish: Dalton-le-Dale (part) (Divided between RG 9/3747-3749) Hamlet: Dawdon (part) (Divided between RG 9/3748-3749) Hamlet: East Morton Hamlet: Seaham Harbour Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

Hi RG9 3751 FF 82-102 coves the Civil Parish of Seaham and the Ecclesiastical Parish of Christ Church. Regards Carol Barber Freecen Co-ordinator for Yorkshire, Durham and Westmorland http://freecen.rootsweb.com -----Original Message----- From: AvrilSteward@aol.com [mailto:AvrilSteward@aol.com] Sent: 20 February 2005 22:08 To: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SUNDERLAND] Re Seaham Harbour Gotts RG9 3751 FF82-102 I think this was the town alone, rather than the parish of Seaham Have you tried Durham Records Online, they seem to have Seaham Harbour sewn up,so to speak ==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== The Lambton Worm, http://orac.sunderland.ac.uk/lambton.html

Hello, can anyone tell me what the piece no is for Seaham Harbour in the 1861 census please. I have checked through seaham for Mary Gott who according to the 1901 census was born at Seaham Harbour about 1852. She married John Petersen or Pettersen a Dane and in 1876 or7 had a daughter ada born Seaham Colliery I havent been able to find them in the 1881 census either. Maybe because they we foreign they slipped through the census nets. Has anyone any ideas. The Gotts were possibly Swedish I am trying to find some info for my uncle who is 92.They were his grandparents. Thank you Regards Maureen Hurst

Hello All Does anybody have the following family in there tree James Bevan married Elizabeth Blackburn Bell in Sunderland 1892, there children Isabella born 1893 Elizabeth born 1995 Stanley born 1896 Vera born 1898. on the 1901 census the family lived a 2 Chatsworth St, Sunderland James Bevan was a Professor of Music. Regards Allan Robson

----- Original Message ----- From: <Stanmapstone@aol.com> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2005 1:20 AM Subject: [genealogy] Re: [SUNDERLAND] More Queries > > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. > Hi Pat, > All certificates are a certified copy of the entry in the marriage register > i.e. there is no original certificate as such. If you went to the Sunderland > Register Office then they could look at the register for you. I assume that > that would not charge for doing this, in fact if you have the date and register > number (in the left hand column) they might do it over the phone. You could > then decide if it would be worth buying a new copy. > > If there is no fathers name then it usually signifies that the name of the > father is unknown, for what ever reason, or (incorrectly) that he has died. > > Regards Stan Mapstone > www.mapstone.org Just to amplify what Stan has written - Not so long ago I asked just what the Sunderland registrars issued in the way of marriage certificates, and their response included the following "certificates would be 'certified' photocopies of the original entries showing participants signatures." So for the standard price of £7 one can get the non-standard product of a document with original signatures on it. Tim S.

Could any one tell me (politely) what fratribus means. I have come across a burial entry in 1641 which says "Simon Sheraton was a fratribus". I know frater means brother. He had married and had three chidlren, so I don't think he was a monk. Afraid my Latin went pearshaped after the 4th form over 40 years ago! Regards Avril

Also try RG9 3749 which has Dawdon under town of Seaham Harbour

RG9 3751 FF82-102 I think this was the town alone, rather than the parish of Seaham Have you tried Durham Records Online, they seem to have Seaham Harbour sewn up,so to speak

Forgot I had this one Cheers from a Sunderland that is picture postcard with snow Pat 1841 Census, Sunderland District Family Number: 11501.4 North Hylton, Outlying Farms & Dwellings, Salt Grass Houses Stephen Sutcliffe, 55, Coalminer, N Sarah Sutcliffe, 40, N James Sutcliffe, 20, Shipwright, N John Sutcliffe, 15, Shipwright, N Joseph Sutcliffe, 15, Ropemaker, N Frances Sutcliffe, 12, N Ann Sutcliffe, 10, N George Sutcliffe, 6, N James Thompson, 15, Ropemaker John Clark, 30, Potter, N (S)

Hope my spares help some one Cheers Pat in a freezing cold Sunderland 1851 Census, Sunderland District Family Number: 10435.5 Tunstall (New Silksworth) 1851 Census, Tunstall Village Mary Pattison [Patterson], Head, widowed, 59, Farmer of 197 acres, born Backworth, Northumberland James Pattison [Patterson], son, 33, born Tunstall, County Durham Edward Pattison [Patterson], son, 31, born Tunstall, County Durham Hannah Clark, Female Servant, 23, born Bishopwearmouth, County Durham Elizabeth Manningtree(?), Female Servant, 16, born [birth town not shown], Ireland Ralph Ramshaw, Male Servant, 16, born Ryhope, County Durham --------------- 1861 Census, Sunderland District Family Number: 11710.6 Ryhope 1861 Census, Ryhope Village Harriet Clark, Head, widowed, 75, Fundholder, born Tynemouth, Northumberland Harriet Clark, daughter, 38, Fundholder, born Tynemouth, Northumberland Rebecca Frances Clark, daughter, 23, born Barnard Castle, Durham Eleanor Inman Butterfield, visitor, widowed, 49, Fundholder, born Blagdon, Somerset Hannah Robinson, Female Servant, 27, born Danby, Yorkshire Isabella Clifford, Female Servant, 16, Kitchenmaid, born Houghton-le-Spring, Durham 1871 Census, Sunderland District Family Number: 13946.7 (Old) Silksworth 1871 Census, Silksworth Village John Duxfield, Head, married, 52, Farmer of 220 acres, born Stannington, Northumberland Hannah Duxfield, Wife, married, 38, born Edrom(?), Berwickshire, Scotland George Joseph Duxfield, son, 13, Scholar, born Gosforth, Northumberland Frederick William Duxfield, son, 10, Scholar, born Gosforth, Northumberland Elizabeth Sarah Duxfield, daughter, 9, Scholar, born Wallsend, Northumberland Robert Dickinson Duxfield, son, 8, Scholar, born Wallsend, Northumberland Alfred Timothy Duxfield, son, 7, Scholar, born Wallsend, Northumberland Andrew Haig Duxfield, son, 6, Scholar, born Silksworth, County Durham Janet Duxfield, niece, 20, Servant, born Wallsend, Northumberland Eliza Haig, sister-in-law, 49(?), Annuitant, born Tweedmouth, Northumberland Mary Ann Clark, visitor, married, 59, Draper, born Monkwearmouth, County Durham James Mooney, Male Servant, 19, Agricultural Labourer, born All Saints, Newcastle, [Northumberland] Ann Storey, Servant, 17, Agricultural Labourer, born Hetton-le-Hole, County Durham

Thank you Stan you always come up trumps so it seems to publish the whole info would be ok On a different note I have a query over a marriage certificate I have a photo copy, of a copy ,of an original certificate from 1853 The copy is not a good one and very faded It looks like there is no Fathers name at all but if it had been written in and faded then the copy would not show it -or so I think ! If I went to Sunderland registry and enquired about a new copy would their original record show if there is a fathers name on it I know I had a hiccup at Easington because a name had been written as Mary in the log ( list of records of BMD I am not sure of its correct name ) where as the certificate said May -which was the name I was looking for Any ideas ? Cheers Pat

Hi Stan I paid for the info from Durham records online who in turned emailed it to me I had picked out a few Clark's -wish they had a name like Wheelbarrow to make life easier ! I could possibly pick out the names and list them but there are several so it thought it might be easier to list the whole lot Cheers Pat

Thank you to Avril who helped with my question about 1851 Census. Couldn't do this without all of you and your knowledge. Judy

Hello one and all I have some 'spare ' census info from searching for my elusive Clark/Toft in Sunderland and Easington registries Is it politically correct to post them on the site , did not want to get into any strife by doing the wrong thing Cheers Pat

In a message dated 19/02/2005 12:25:17 GMT Standard Time, derek.phillips2@ntlworld.com writes: I have a photo copy, of a copy ,of an original certificate from 1853 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Hi Pat, All certificates are a certified copy of the entry in the marriage register i.e. there is no original certificate as such. If you went to the Sunderland Register Office then they could look at the register for you. I assume that that would not charge for doing this, in fact if you have the date and register number (in the left hand column) they might do it over the phone. You could then decide if it would be worth buying a new copy. If there is no fathers name then it usually signifies that the name of the father is unknown, for what ever reason, or (incorrectly) that he has died. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

Hi Pat, Durham Records Online states that the Census data is protected by Crown copyright and is published under the waiver conditions set out in Her Majesty's Stationery Office Guidance Note 3 - Copyright in Public Records - (GN3). _http://www.hmso.gov.uk/copyright/guidance/gn_03.htm_ (http://www.hmso.gov.uk/copyright/guidance/gn_03.htm) For those Public Records which are subject to waiver you can copy, quote, index, transcribe, publish and broadcast the text of Crown Material in all formats and media throughout the world However the reproduction of images, including copies of documents, is not covered by the waiver. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

In a message dated 19/02/2005 10:44:13 GMT Standard Time, derek.phillips2@ntlworld.com writes: Is it politically correct to post them on the site, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Hi Pat, I don't know what 'politically correct' has to do with it, it is more to do with copyright and the terms under which you obtained the information. Where did the census information come from? For instance the 1901 Census has the following details on copyright. "The information contained in this Crown copyright protected material may be transcribed and then distributed or published in any format or medium, but only if it is reproduced accurately and not used in a misleading context. If you transcribe any of the Crown copyright information available through this web site, or distribute it to others or republish it, you must identify the source of the material." Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

Hello everybody, Re-posting my interests after a l - o - n - g absence, Thomas URWIN was born at Blanchland in 1806. He married Isabella ANDERSON in 1825. They had two children, John Jackson URWIN, (my great grandfather) born 1827, and Sarah Ann URWIN, born 1829. All three events taking place in Sunderland. I can find no trace of Thomas' death which I know was prior to 1854. I have no further information about John Jackson Urwin until 1856 when he is recorded as being a colliery viewer at Wearmouth Colliery. In later years he became a teacher at the Commercial and Nautical Academy, and then the Wearmouth Colliery Educational Institute, all Sunderland. In about 1865 he and his family moved to the village of Gillcrux, Cumberland where they lived until their final move to Middlesbrough three years later, where he is recorded as being the principal of Brougham Street Academy. In 1853 Sarah Ann Urwin is recorded as owning the Temperance Dining and Coffee Rooms, 200,High Street, Sunderland where she offered "Refreshments of every description on the shortest notice" and also "Well-aired beds." In 1854 she married James Hardie at Holy Trinity Church, Sunderland. I have further records and information of my Urwin family available to anyone interested, and any further information anyone can offer to me will be most welcome. Ken Urwin, Middlesbrough, NE England.

I can't help with the query but I am interested in the name McKenna as I have Thomas McKenna Bricklayer aged 26, marrying Ann Flanagan at St .Mary's Chapel Sunderland in 1886 .His father was Thomas McKenna Quarryman deceaced. I know nothing more about the couple after they married but Ann was my Great Grandfathers sister.I have only recently discovered this marriage Regards Maureen Hurst ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kevin Leighton" <kevliz@bigpond.net.au> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Thursday, February 17, 2005 3:30 AM Subject: [SUNDERLAND] Mc Kenna > Hi > > I wonder if anyone out there would be kind enough to do a look up on the > 1851 census for Jarrow. > > I am looking for JANE MCKENNA, approx 1 year old, born in JARROW > > Her father was JAMES MCKENNA born in IRELAND, a labourer at the shipyards. > > Jane was later living in Walker when she married William Leighton in 1868. > > Any help greatly appreciated. > > Liz Leighton > > > ==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== > History of Sunderland, > http://www.sunderland-index.co.uk/history/history01.html > >