Hi Marina I have Toft & Whatcott who were mariners and Beadle who was assistant dock master Why not put your interest on the list and see if any one has any connections Cheers from Pat in Sunderland

In a message dated 24/02/2005 17:55:50 GMT Standard Time, mdececo@cox.net writes: While I'm on the subject, is there a good guide to county formations? I"m sure the boundaries changed from time to time as they did here in the US. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> County is a not part of the name of English counties, with the sole exception of County Durham, where it precedes the main part of the name in the same way as in all Irish counties. The boundaries of the ancient counties have not changed, but England & Wales have had more administrative boundary changes than most other countries. These sites may help. British Counties, Parishes, etc. for Genealogists http://homepages.nildram.co.uk/%7Ejimella/counties.htm Geography - Beginners guide http://www.statistics.gov.uk/geography/beginners_guide.asp Association of British Counties - Frequently asked questions http://www.abcounties.co.uk/FAQ.htm#question1 Administrative Units Typology _http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/au_ft/home_page.jsp_ (http://www.visionofbritain.org.uk/au_ft/home_page.jsp) Traditional counties of England _http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_counties_of_England_ (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditional_counties_of_England) Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

Hi Everyone I am interested in the following families who all lived in the Roker, Monkwearmouth & Southwick areas 1850 onwards. BUCKLEY WILSON (of Whitburn Street/Garden Court - Dairymen) FOOTS HEPTINSTALL If anyone else has any connections get in touch please. Does anyone know if Sunderland library have many photos of this area, and in general where would the "wills" of these people be because the Wilsons in Whitburn street had a shop and a big house in Roker Avenue. Jo Foots

Hello: I need to know how to properly enter a county name. I know that some counties in England are written "County Durham" and others might not have "county" in the title. Perhaps others might be written as "Yorkshire County"?? Is there some kind of guide to how they should be written? Should the term "county" even be used? While I'm on the subject, is there a good guide to county formations? I"m sure the boundaries changed from time to time as they did here in the US. Marina Dececo

Just found a photo in teh book of Sapper Paul M Heptinstall of 3 Abbay St and when he was commissioned. A citation when he was awarded the Military Cross etc. Avril

Hi Joe, I have a book by Peter Gibson "Southwick -on Wear" Vol 2 ISBN 0-9513908-1-3 Southwick Publications. I paid £5.99 for it some years ago. It was written 1988. It includes tithe maps and photos of places and families . In the list of war dead 1914-1919? a JT Foots aged 20 Private, and G Heptinstall Private 21.8.1915 & several Wilsons, aged from 20-35 Avril

In a message dated 24/02/2005 13:03:03 GMT Standard Time, foots@blueyonder.co.uk writes: and in general where would the "wills" of these people be >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See http://www.courtservice.gov.uk/cms/3800.htm Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

There are lost of Roxby's on Durham Online Frances have you used the site its free to look then you can purcahse what you think might be yours http://www.durhamrecordsonline.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Frances Vivienne Proud" <fvproud@btopenworld.com> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 23, 2005 6:12 PM Subject: [SUNDERLAND] 1841 lookup please > I wonder if anyone could do a look up for me please? > > I am looking for a Jane Roxby and her son, John Roxby. I am not sure how old Jane would be in 1841 but her son, John, would be 18. He was a coalminer. Jane was from Newbottle, so they could be in Newbottle or Houghton-le-Spring areas. > > John was illegitimate. > > Thanks > Frances in Harrogate > > > ==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== > To contact the List Owner send mail to, > ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-admin@lists5.rootsweb.com > >

I wonder if anyone could do a look up for me please? I am looking for a Jane Roxby and her son, John Roxby. I am not sure how old Jane would be in 1841 but her son, John, would be 18. He was a coalminer. Jane was from Newbottle, so they could be in Newbottle or Houghton-le-Spring areas. John was illegitimate. Thanks Frances in Harrogate

In a message dated 23/02/2005 19:26:38 GMT Standard Time, mdececo@cox.net writes: Was there any special enumeration of these "missing" mariners? I'm supposing not since they may have been far away from their country. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The enumerated population at each census from 1801 to 1831 was exclusive of those serving at home or abroad in the Royal Navy, the Army and the Merchant Service, although approximations to their numbers were given in the Enumeration Abstract on each occasion; in 1821 the number serving in local Militia embodied for training were shown in the county tables. In 1841 the Army at home, members of the Royal Navy and the Merchant Service on shore and, in some cases, persons on board vessels in harbours were included in the enumerated population. At each census from 1851 to 1931 the enumerated population included the Army at home, members of the Royal Navy and the Merchant Service on shore and, from 1851 to 1921, all persons on board vessels in port on census night or arriving the following day; the Air Force at home was included in 1921 and 1931. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

Hello: I'm working on my cousin's maternal lines which come out of Sunderland. There are several "mariners" in her lines, according the the various census records I've found. There are also a couple of census records where the wife is head of household and listed as a mariner's wife but he apparently is at sea at the time of enumeration. Was there any special enumeration of these "missing" mariners? I'm supposing not since they may have been far away from their country. I'm pretty well-versed in United States records but have only been working with British civil registration and census records up to this point, using Ancestry and before that some census records at the LDS Family History Library at Salt Lake City. Marina Dececo

----- Original Message ----- From: "Hauser Family" <hauser@internode.on.net> To: "ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND" <ENG-DUR-SUNDRLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 22, 2005 8:15 AM Subject: Fw: [SUNDERLAND] Family Tree > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Hauser Family" <hauser@internode.on.net> > To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 7:58 AM > Subject: [SUNDERLAND] Family Tree > > >> Thanks for all the support for the Hunter side - I still have questions >> but I've applied for some birth and marriage certificates which I hope >> will fill a few missing links. >> My request this time is for the other side of the family and here's a >> beauty - the Smiths!! >> >> I'm looking for the parents (and grandparents if possible ??) of Clara >> Isabella Smith. Her DOB is 3/12/06 born in Sunderland, Durham. I have >> the marriage certificate and the name of her father was John George SMITH >> (a publican) who is recorded as "deceased" at the time of the wedding. >> They were married in 1906 at Sunderland. >> >> Children in the family were Bessie Smith 26/12/04 >> Clara Isabella Smith 3/12/06 >> Mary Smith c1907 >> Annie Smith c1909 >> James Smith c1909 >> George Smith c1911 >> >> Thanks in anticipation >> >> Regards Maureen >> >> >> ==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== >> To post to the list, messages should be sent to >> ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com >> > >

I have a family of Anderson's in Southwick in 1850's onwards--Ralph and Elizabeth and their children Ann, Hinda, Margaret,Jack and Ralph. Ralph's Father was William and his mother Jane [nee Wells].William was born in Windy Nook in 1829. I have failed so far to find any more children of William and Jane but there are a lot of Anderson's around Southwick and living very close to mine, which families tended to do. Does anyone have a connection to this family please??

I am also interested in the name Oswald.. I have an Oswald Young born 1855 in Philadelphia, which is close to Newbottle and Penshaw.. the name Oswald does not appear anywhere else in the family so am curious if it is a family name or a common first name? His parents were Mary Jane Smith and William Young. Ring any bells with the Oswalds? Thanks, Barbara in Tennessee

Hello, I am interested in the families that were ancestors of Robert OSWALD and Elizabeth PATTERSON of Penshaw. They were married in 1824 at Penshaw. I do not know who their parents were or the birth dates of either of them. If someone could please check the PR of Newbottle, Penshaw, Philadelphia or Sedgefield, for their birth records, I would deeply appreciate it. Thank you, Michele Crawford Ontario, Canada

----- Original Message ----- From: "Michele Crawford" <michele_crawford@sympatico.ca> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 4:38 PM Subject: [SUNDERLAND] Interested in OSWALD & PATTERSON - Penshaw > I am interested in the families that were ancestors of Robert OSWALD and > Elizabeth PATTERSON of Penshaw. They were married in 1824 at Penshaw. I do > not know who their parents were or the birth dates of either of them. Hi Michele I assume you have seen the marriage on the IGI. There is a possible Elizabeth OSWALD in 1871 census. Married at 24? Pehaps some of the Christenings from the same IGI batch are children of theirs? Murray Jones Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada **************************************** http://www.familysearch.org/ Search for: Oswald, British Isles Exact Spelling: Off Batch Number: 7613505 Painshaw, Durham, England 1. GEORGE HENRY OSWALD Gender: Male Christening: 25 MAR 1842 2. ELIZABETH OSWALD Gender: Female Christening: 25 FEB 1776 3. ANTHONY OSWALD Gender: Male Christening: 07 DEC 1800 4. ROBERT DYSON OSWALD Gender: Male Christening: 22 MAY 1825 5. ROBERT WILLIAM OSWALD Gender: Male Christening: 20 NOV 1825 6. RALPH OSWALD Gender: Male Christening: 07 OCT 1827 7. ANN OSWALD Gender: Female Christening: 25 OCT 1835 8. ELIZABETH OSWOLD Gender: Female Marriage: 17 JUN 1843 9. ELIZABETH OSWALD Gender: Female Marriage: 03 FEB 1821 10. ISABELLA OSWALD Gender: Female Marriage: 18 SEP 1837 11. ROBERT OSWALD / ELIZABETH PATTERSON Marriage: 22 FEB 1824 **************************** 1871 Census Civil parish: Sherburn Ecclesiastical parish: Pittington Town: Sherburn County/Island: Durham Street address: Sherburn Village Source information: RG10/4969 Registration district: Durham Sub-registration district: St Nicholas ED, institution, or vessel: 27 Folio: 45 Page: 24 Household schedule number: 134 1871 England Census Name Age in 1871 Birthplace Relationship Elizabeth Oswald 71 Widow Alnwick, Northumberland Head Anthony O Proudlank 35 Shadforth, Durham Grandson ****************************

----- Original Message ----- From: <AvrilSteward@aol.com> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 21, 2005 11:20 AM Subject: [genealogy] [SUNDERLAND] Latin Scholars Please! > Could any one tell me (politely) what fratribus means. I have come across a > burial entry in 1641 which says "Simon Sheraton was a fratribus". I know > frater means brother. > He had married and had three chidlren, so I don't think he was a monk. > > Afraid my Latin went pearshaped after the 4th form over 40 years ago! > Regards > Avril > > Avril, my Latin has been rusting away for close to 60 years now, but here goes! fratribus is the plural dative or ablative case of frater (3rd declension, group III - that comes from a very slow perusal of my son'sCollins Latin English dictionary). So "a fratribus" means "from the brothers". Maybe he had been a monk once? (Or possibly even a failed monk?) If you Google for the phrase "a fratribus" and then cheat by asking for a translation, you should get confirmation of that. eg http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.mindspring.com/~scarlson/synopt/ext/papias.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522a%2Bfratribus%2522%26start%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26sa%3DN Another reference describes Judas leaving fratribus apostoli = "his brother disciples". http://www.clues.abdn.ac.uk:8080/bestiary_old/alt/translat/trans65v.html HTH Tim S.

In a message dated 21/02/2005 16:08:10 GMT Standard Time, AvrilSteward@aol.com writes: and the prospect of Freemasonry (ie Bretheren). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Was that on the list? Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

My thanks to Tim and John, who came up with the both the declension and the prospect of Freemasonry (ie Bretheren). Bit of change from other Sheratons being pardoned for treason for their part in the Northern Earls revolt of 1569. Many thanks Avril

Thanks for all the support for the Hunter side - I still have questions but I've applied for some birth and marriage certificates which I hope will fill a few missing links. My request this time is for the other side of the family and here's a beauty - the Smiths!! I'm looking for the parents (and grandparents if possible ??) of Clara Isabella Smith. Her DOB is 3/12/06 born in Sunderland, Durham. I have the marriage certificate and the name of her father was John George SMITH (a publican) who is recorded as "deceased" at the time of the wedding. They were married in 1906 at Sunderland. Children in the family were Bessie Smith 26/12/04 Clara Isabella Smith 3/12/06 Mary Smith c1907 Annie Smith c1909 James Smith c1909 George Smith c1911 Thanks in anticipation Regards Maureen