Thank you Stan for the info and Quick reply Willard Miller

In a message dated 01/03/2005 07:52:32 GMT Standard Time, willardmiller@comcast.net writes: I have a copy of a marriage certificate for my ggrandparents, Henry Miller and Jane Bowden. It appears that the name of the church is St. Thomas, Bishopwearmouth. Is there a church by this name, and if so, how close to Sunderland was it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> St Thomas' was in John Street in the town centre and was destroyed during WW2 by an enemy mine on the 14th March 1943. The vicar at the time, the Rev. Leyland Orton was killed while on duty as a fire watcher. St Thomas' was built as a Chapel-of-Ease to Bishopwearmouth Church 1827-29, and the parish was formed in 1856. My parents were married there. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

I have a copy of a marriage certificate for my ggrandparents, Henry Miller and Jane Bowden. It appears that the name of the church is St. Thomas, Bishopwearmouth. Is there a church by this name, and if so, how close to Sunderland was it. Willard Miller

I would greatly appreciate help in finding the 1861/1871 Census for Robert or Ann Bentham. The information I have is as follows:- Robert Bentham b Feb 1812 Yarm,YKS -d 1851-1877 -occ Master Mariner Ann Bentham -wife -b Oct 1815 Kingston upon Hull,YKS Jane Hannah Bentham -dtr -b abt 1839 Sunderland,Durham John Bentham -son -b abt 1842 Sunderland,Durham Robert Bentham -son -b abt 1845 Sunderland,Durham James Henry Bentham -son -b Sep 1849 Sunderland, Durham I am also trying to narrow down the year of death for Robert Bentham. Thanks again, Scott Bentham Winnipeg, Canada __________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - 250MB free storage. Do more. Manage less. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250

Thank you so much to Tracy, Avril, Lesley, Philip and Susan for their kind help with the information I needed. As you are all so knowledgeable about Bishopwearmouth, I wonder if I can now ask everyone's advice about how to find birth details for my WILLIAM DUGDALE around 1828. The earliest address I have for him was in 1855 at Exhibition Terrace, Hillfield, Bishopwearmouth. I think his parents are JOHN and ESTHER Dugdale who married in 1821 (I found their marriage on Genuki at St Peters, Monkwearmouth). WILLIAM married ISABELLA SMITH but I can't find their marriage on 1837online or the IGI, and Sunderland Local Studies Centre couldn't help me. If I can confirm William's parents it will be a huge chunk to add to my tree. Any advice gratefully accepted. Kind regards, Helen Dugdale Rotherham, South Yorkshire

Either from Sunderland Central Library or Durham Record Office, who both will send you photocopies of the register entry for William. Addresses from Durham Genuki site. Avril

Would anyone be able to look for Mary Clark (I know it's a popular name) aged about 17/18 in the 1851 census of Sunderland She married Thomas Tofu two years later, in 1853, and lived in Coronation Street -could I strike lucky and hope she was there in 1851 On her marriage certificate her Fathers name is John Clark glassmaker I am coming on in leaps and bounds except for the birth of John Clack /Toft He was born around 1852/ 53, Mary is his mother but it seems he was born before she wed To complicate things he gave his Fathers name on his marriage certificate as Thomas Clark! There are four births for John Clark in Sunderland in the time fame I am looking at but I want t be sure before ordering birth certificates Cheers for now Pat

Would anyone who has the above please look for Folio 509, Ho 107/2395 for Martha DUGDALE age 20 Visitor Unmarried Servant b Bishopwearmouth. I would be very pleased to know who she is living with. Also, if anyone has the 1861 or 1871 census for Bishopwearmouth, would it be possible to look for WILLIAM AND ISABELLA DUGDALE, possibly at 4 Picton Street. Thank you and regards, Helen Dugdale Rotherham, S Yorkshire

Hello Jo Trivia for your info. I share a gg grandfather Robert GIBSON, with Peter GIBSON the author of the Southwick books. On the 1881 census a John HEPTINSTALL is listed, living as a lodger with the GIBSON family at Southwick. Regards Barbara TONES born Sunderland - living Melbourne Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jo & Geoff" <foots@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, February 25, 2005 2:51 PM Subject: [SUNDERLAND] Heptinstall Connections > Cheers to Avril for looking up in her book on Southwick - I will enquire at > the library as to whether they still have a copy.. > > The Paul M Heptinstall you mentioned I believe ended up running a shop with > his wife in Roker which eventually became Storey Carpets!!! > > If anyone else comes across the name let me know. > > Jo > > > > > ==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== > This list is only as good as you make it. Please Participate and help keep it interesting! > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.4.0 - Release Date: 22/02/2005 > > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.4.0 - Release Date: 22/02/2005

======================================== Message date : Feb 25 2005, 06:00 PM From : ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-D-request@rootsweb.com To : ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-D@rootsweb.com Copy to : Subject : ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-D Digest V05 #47 Hello All I also have a missing Mariner, Douglas Robson Joined the Merchant Service in 1851 in Sunderland as an Apprentice, we have him up to 1856, but no sign of him after that, he is not on any of the Census 1861-1901, Dont know what happened to him. Regards Allan Robson -- Message sent with Supanet E-mail Signup to supanet at https://signup.supanet.com/cgi-bin/signup?_origin=sigwebmail _Hi All I am looking for details of my Gr Grandfather also a mariner James Allan was he at sea Dec Jan Feb 1863 any help appreciated. Regards Allan. 26/02/05 13:44pm _____________________________ -- Whatever you Wanadoo: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/time/ This email has been checked for most known viruses - find out more at: http://www.wanadoo.co.uk/help/id/7098.htm

Ho 107/2395 Folio 509 Deptford Road, Bishopwearmouth FORSYTHE Edward Hd Widr 55 Engine man DUR Washington " Isabella Da Un 19 " Bishopwearmouth BATES Emma Gr Da 8 " DUGDALE Martha Vis Un 20 Servant " " Avril

> On the 1881 census a John > HEPTINSTALL is listed, living as a lodger with the GIBSON family at > Southwick. Thanks Barbara....will have a look Jo

In a message dated 26/02/2005 13:50:11 GMT Standard Time, emmo@emmerson1772.freeserve.co.uk writes: I also have a missing Mariner, Douglas Robson Joined the Merchant Service in 1851 in Sunderland as an Apprentice, we have him up to 1856, but no sign of him after that, he is not on any of the Census 1861-1901, Don't know what happened to him. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. Hi Allan, Life in the Merchant Service was more dangerous than in mining. In the 1860s the death rate was higher then in the worst Victorian city, 1 in 80 died of disease, 1 in 70 drowned and 1 in 20 was invalided out. So 1 in 12 were lost to the service by accident, disease or disability, to which can be added the large number who jumped ship, often in the USA or Australia. In 1881, the peak year, 4,000 masters and men died by wreck, drowning or accident. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

That's good to hear Averil are those records online at all as the Daniel Toft I believe would be mine If they are no online would you be able to pint me in the right direction to buy the book or Cod which ever it is Daniel Toft's death - 16th July 1848 from letters of administration (dated 20th December 1848) of his estate granted to his widow Mary. Value of estate was under 450 pounds. Seamen's register Daniel Toft aged 43 born Sunderland Number 4892 Toft family in Crew lists 'Zion's 27 May to 30 September 1836 from Liverpool to Quebec, Daniel Toft 44 born Sunderland is master and George Toft 14 born Sunderland is an apprentice. I have not been able to slot George into place yet but will no doubt if I keep digging Cheers Pat

The records published by the NDFHS are 12 fiche, I bought them several years ago, so you would have to look up their cost on the Societies web site, if they are still in print. Avril

I found my missing mariner in the Trafalgar Square Records (Seamens Home Sunderland) published by the NDFHS. He died in 1849 off the coast of Scarbrough from cholera whilst mate of the Mary & Dorothy of Sunderland (all information from record). This helped get me his seamans record at Kew, and found he came from Hampshire, red hair, 5'3'' and literate, plus date of birth A Daniel Toft is listed, an Alan Orrock, and a John & Thomas English. Even if you don't find your ancestor, they make interesting reading. Avril

In a message dated 25/02/2005 11:48:49 GMT Standard Time, foots@blueyonder.co.uk writes: Cheers to Avril for looking up in her book on Southwick - I will enquire at the library as to whether they still have a copy.. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would try Hills bookshop, they have the four volumes listed in their local books, e-mail _hillsbookshop@btconnect.com_ (mailto:hillsbookshop@btconnect.com) telephone 0191 5102365 I also saw them in Sunderland Tourist Information Centre 50 Fawcett St Sunderland, SR1 1RF telephone 0191 553 2001 Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

Cheers to Avril for looking up in her book on Southwick - I will enquire at the library as to whether they still have a copy.. The Paul M Heptinstall you mentioned I believe ended up running a shop with his wife in Roker which eventually became Storey Carpets!!! If anyone else comes across the name let me know. Jo

Hello All I also have a missing Mariner, Douglas Robson Joined the Merchant Service in 1851 in Sunderland as an Apprentice, we have him up to 1856, but no sign of him after that, he is not on any of the Census 1861-1901, Dont know what happened to him. Regards Allan Robson -- Message sent with Supanet E-mail Signup to supanet at https://signup.supanet.com/cgi-bin/signup?_origin=sigwebmail

Can anyone join the misssing mariners list? I have 2 x James Rames English's ( father & son) and a Robert Orrick. Many thanx... Mike English. .............................................................................. .................................... Tewkesbury Historical Society _www.ths.freeuk.com_ (http://www.ths.freeuk.com/) .............................................................................. ....................................