ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-D-request@rootsweb.com wrote: Dear Stan, Thanks for your info on Mowbray Park. The parks of Sunderland have quite a history, don't they? It's good that the people of Sunderland have, over the years, had their say on matters that affect them - and made a difference. We really do have some beautiful parks. I prefer Backhouse over all others as it is so natural and I love to watch the changing seasons. Right now, the crocuses are a wonderful sight. Someone in the park told me, some years ago, that a type of daffodil (a very small, yellow one) was named after Mrs. Backhouse and that the park is now planted with 'Mrs. Backhouse' daffodils. That's a nice story. There is a large, round, structure about halfway along the main path that leads through the park and I believe it used to be a fountain. Does anyone remember this? I would love to see it reinstated but unfortunately in this day and age, I don't suppose it would last very long before being vandalised. I also remember being taken, as a child, to visit the aviary although there is no sign of it now. Best wishes, Jem > ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-D Digest Volume 05 : Issue 55 Today's Topics: #1 Hardy [Jane Waddington #2 Sunderland Parks [Stanmapstone@aol.com] #3 RE: [SUNDERLAND] Hardy ["Anne Ambrose" Administrivia: To post to the list, messages should be sent to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com To unsubscribe from ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-D, send a message to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-D-request@rootsweb.com that contains in the body of the message the command unsubscribe and no other text. No subject line is necessary, but if your software requires one, just use unsubscribe in the subject, too. To contact the ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-D list administrator, send mail to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-admin@rootsweb.com. ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:26:11 +0000 (GMT) From: Jane Waddington To: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Hardy Hi, If anyone has any info on the following names, i'd greatly appreciate it. Noble(Sunderland, know lived @ 6, Salem St South @1901census) Hardy(Sundreland) Purdy(Sunderland) Also 'May Noble' - comedienne, apparently connected to Jimmy James and the Poirots(Sunderland) May Garbutt Ward Kennedy Igas Swarwell(Norweigen name I believe) Freeman Morrison(JohnMcWilliam)(Scotland) Thanks, hope to hear form anyone soon Jane North Yorkshire ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:50:04 EST From: Stanmapstone@aol.com To: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Sunderland Parks In a message dated 03/03/2005 13:14:03 GMT Standard Time, jem.wickets@btinternet.com writes: I'm particularly interested in the wording of his will as it relates to the conditions attached to the use of the park which he bequeathed to the town as it was then. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jem, On a similar topic, in 1873 Sunderland Council decided to seek designs for a Town Hall at the north end of Mowbray Park. However Alderman Reed, and others felt that building in Mowbray Park was infringing the rights of citizens, that the Park had been dedicated to the use of the people of Sunderland, freely and in perpetuity, and that a Town Hall would infringe that right. Ratepayers instituted legal proceedings to halt the scheme, the court's judgement, on appeal, was that Mowbray Park was dedicated to public use, although it said the Library and Museum part of the scheme was permissible. The council abandoned the proposal and subsequently settled on the Shrubbery site in Fawcett Street. The first part of the park was Building Hill, which was purchased by the Council in 1854, the north part was purchased in 1866 from the North Eastern Railway. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org ______________________________ > ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 20:45:43 +0000 From: "Anne Ambrose" To: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: RE: [SUNDERLAND] Hardy Hi Jane I am a Morrison by birth born in Sunderland. Father was Mathew Wright Downey Morrison son of Alexander Morrison. Alexander Morrison was born in Banffshire Scotland 6 April 1873. I can trace most of this family back to James morrison b abt 1735 in Gamrie Banff Scotland. If you think we might have a link let me know as I am always keen to share information Anne Ambrose nee Morrison >From: Jane Waddington >To: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [SUNDERLAND] Hardy >Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:26:11 +0000 (GMT) > >Hi, >If anyone has any info on the following names, i'd greatly appreciate it. >Noble(Sunderland, know lived @ 6, Salem St South @1901census) >Hardy(Sundreland) >Purdy(Sunderland) >Also 'May Noble' - comedienne, apparently connected to Jimmy James and the >Poirots(Sunderland) >May Garbutt >Ward Kennedy >Igas Swarwell(Norweigen name I believe) >Freeman >Morrison(JohnMcWilliam)(Scotland) > >Thanks, hope to hear form anyone soon >Jane >North Yorkshire > > > >==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== >To post to the list, messages should be sent to >ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com >

In a message dated 05/03/2005 09:13:56 GMT Standard Time, jem.wickets@btinternet.com writes: There is a large, round, structure about halfway along the main path that leads through the park and I believe it used to be a fountain. Does anyone remember this? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dear Jem, The fountain is marked on the Ordnance Survey map, on the path that runs along the north side of Hendon Burn just before the junction with the path that comes down from Ashburne house. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

Hi Jane I am a Morrison by birth born in Sunderland. Father was Mathew Wright Downey Morrison son of Alexander Morrison. Alexander Morrison was born in Banffshire Scotland 6 April 1873. I can trace most of this family back to James morrison b abt 1735 in Gamrie Banff Scotland. If you think we might have a link let me know as I am always keen to share information Anne Ambrose nee Morrison >From: Jane Waddington <jfreemandesigns@btinternet.com> >To: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: [SUNDERLAND] Hardy >Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:26:11 +0000 (GMT) > >Hi, >If anyone has any info on the following names, i'd greatly appreciate it. >Noble(Sunderland, know lived @ 6, Salem St South @1901census) >Hardy(Sundreland) >Purdy(Sunderland) >Also 'May Noble' - comedienne, apparently connected to Jimmy James and the >Poirots(Sunderland) >May Garbutt >Ward Kennedy >Igas Swarwell(Norweigen name I believe) >Freeman >Morrison(JohnMcWilliam)(Scotland) > >Thanks, hope to hear form anyone soon >Jane >North Yorkshire > > > >==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== >To post to the list, messages should be sent to >ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com >

Hello Anne I am also a Morrison by birth. It will be interesting if we connect. My grandfather, Alexander MORRISON was born 17 April 1873 in Monkwearmouth. His father, Alexander MORRISON was born 21 September 1830, Monkwearmouth Shore; His father Alexander MORISON was born 21 June 1786 in Edinburgh, his father was William MORRISON born 23 February 1758 also Edinburgh; William married Margaret MORISON born about 1760 and her father was Donald MORISON. Where they were from, I do not know. William and Margaret were married 18 May 1785 at Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh. This may be the line where we may tie in. The Margaret MORISON line. William's father was William MORISON born 8 February 1730 also Edinburgh., his father was James Morison christened 8 May 1698 at St Cuthbert, Edinburgh, his father was Williame Morisone, christened 25 November 1660 at Edinburgh Parish, his father was James MORISONE christened 20 September 1629 at Edinburgh Parish. I have a trip to Scotland in the planning stage to try and find Margaret MORISON and her father, Donald MORISON and where they might be found. I have found several Margaret MORISON's with a father, Donald MORISON from several places and not sure just where they might be from. I thought that if I go to Edinburgh I may find a clue as to where they might be from. My grandfather came to America with his mother, Susannah Webster HILES MORRISON when he was 16 years old. The MORRISON line seemed to follow the shipbuilding industry or the Royal Navy as an occupation. The given names of William, Alexander, James, John and Robert were prominent in my MORRISON family line. I have spelled the names as I found them on the original record. I have found over 36 ways to spell MORRISON including MORREYSOUNE. I will share any information I have with others also. Regards Dorothy USA ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Ambrose" <anneofgrafton@hotmail.com> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 12:45 PM Subject: RE: [SUNDERLAND] Hardy > Hi Jane > > I am a Morrison by birth born in Sunderland. Father was Mathew Wright > Downey Morrison son of Alexander Morrison. Alexander Morrison was born in > Banffshire Scotland 6 April 1873. I can trace most of this family back to > James morrison b abt 1735 in Gamrie Banff Scotland. If you think we might > have a link let me know as I am always keen to share information > > > > > Anne Ambrose nee Morrison > > > > >>From: Jane Waddington <jfreemandesigns@btinternet.com> >>To: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com >>Subject: [SUNDERLAND] Hardy >>Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:26:11 +0000 (GMT) >> >>Hi, >>If anyone has any info on the following names, i'd greatly appreciate it. >>Noble(Sunderland, know lived @ 6, Salem St South @1901census) >>Hardy(Sundreland) >>Purdy(Sunderland) >>Also 'May Noble' - comedienne, apparently connected to Jimmy James and the >>Poirots(Sunderland) >>May Garbutt >>Ward Kennedy >>Igas Swarwell(Norweigen name I believe) >>Freeman >>Morrison(JohnMcWilliam)(Scotland) >> >>Thanks, hope to hear form anyone soon >>Jane >>North Yorkshire >> >> >> >>==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== >>To post to the list, messages should be sent to >>ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com >> > > > > ==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== > This list is only as good as you make it. Please Participate and help keep > it interesting! > > >

Hi, If anyone has any info on the following names, i'd greatly appreciate it. Noble(Sunderland, know lived @ 6, Salem St South @1901census) Hardy(Sundreland) Purdy(Sunderland) Also 'May Noble' - comedienne, apparently connected to Jimmy James and the Poirots(Sunderland) May Garbutt Ward Kennedy Igas Swarwell(Norweigen name I believe) Freeman Morrison(JohnMcWilliam)(Scotland) Thanks, hope to hear form anyone soon Jane North Yorkshire

In a message dated 03/03/2005 13:14:03 GMT Standard Time, jem.wickets@btinternet.com writes: I'm particularly interested in the wording of his will as it relates to the conditions attached to the use of the park which he bequeathed to the town as it was then. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Jem, On a similar topic, in 1873 Sunderland Council decided to seek designs for a Town Hall at the north end of Mowbray Park. However Alderman Reed, and others felt that building in Mowbray Park was infringing the rights of citizens, that the Park had been dedicated to the use of the people of Sunderland, freely and in perpetuity, and that a Town Hall would infringe that right. Ratepayers instituted legal proceedings to halt the scheme, the court's judgement, on appeal, was that Mowbray Park was dedicated to public use, although it said the Library and Museum part of the scheme was permissible. The council abandoned the proposal and subsequently settled on the Shrubbery site in Fawcett Street. The first part of the park was Building Hill, which was purchased by the Council in 1854, the north part was purchased in 1866 from the North Eastern Railway. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

Hello Bev, I am replying to your mail on list because SKS may be able to help us on this one. A reply I had from Sunderland Local Studies said: "We would have copied the 1851 census for Exhibition Terrace but it does not appear in our street index to the census nor can we find it in the street directories. We think Hillfield must be Millfield, which is a district of Sunderland and does appear on the census." However, the birth certificate I have clearly shows Hillfield so, like you, I cannot find it! Hopefully, someone else may have come across it and can help us. Kind regards, Helen Dugdale S Yorkshire ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don & Bev Froom" <okfrooms@shaw.ca> To: "Helen Dugdale" <helendugdale@evemail.net> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 10:57 PM Subject: Re: [SUNDERLAND] RE: 1851/1871 BISHOPWEARMOUTH CENSUS > I notice that your William DUGDALE lived at Hillfield, Bishopwearmouth. > I have a copy of my Great grand-father's Alexander James ROSS marriage > certificate which gives his residence as Hillfield, Deptford, > Bishopwearmouth. > Do you have any idea where that address might be located? > This mailing list has been so helpful to me as well. I appreciate all > the little tid bits that are so generously shared. > Happy hunting. Bev Froom Kelowna, BC Canada. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Helen Dugdale" <helendugdale@evemail.net> > To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: February 28, 2005 4:36 PM > Subject: [SUNDERLAND] RE: 1851/1871 BISHOPWEARMOUTH CENSUS > > > > Thank you so much to Tracy, Avril, Lesley, Philip and Susan for their kind > help with the information I needed. > > > > As you are all so knowledgeable about Bishopwearmouth, I wonder if I can > now ask everyone's advice about how to find birth details for my WILLIAM > DUGDALE around 1828. The earliest address I have for him was in 1855 at > Exhibition Terrace, Hillfield, Bishopwearmouth. I think his parents are > JOHN and ESTHER Dugdale who married in 1821 (I found their marriage on > Genuki at St Peters, Monkwearmouth). > > > > WILLIAM married ISABELLA SMITH but I can't find their marriage on > 1837online or the IGI, and Sunderland Local Studies Centre couldn't help me. > > > > If I can confirm William's parents it will be a huge chunk to add to my > tree. Any advice gratefully accepted. > > > > Kind regards, > > Helen Dugdale > > Rotherham, South Yorkshire > > > > > > ==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== > > Sunderland L.D.S centre, > > http://www.lds.org.uk/genealogy/fhc/sunderland.htm > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.1 - Release Date: 27/02/05 > > > > > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.5.2 - Release Date: 28/02/05 > >

Hi - wonder if anyone can help me? I'm doing some research on Backhouse Park in Sunderland and I have been told that there may have been a copy of Edward Backhouse's will, mounted and framed, in either the Library or the old Museum. I have already been in touch with the Local Studies section of the library, but they don't know of it. Has anyone ever seen this and can tell me where I might find it, please? It's a bit of a long shot, but you never know. I'm particularly interested in the wording of his will as it relates to the conditions attached to the use of the park which he bequeathed to the town as it was then. Again I have been told (but I obviously need to check it out) that there was something about the park being...'for the use of the people of Sunderland, their dogs and horses...' or something similar. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Jem

In a message dated 03/03/2005 17:20:35 GMT Standard Time, ADRABBOTT@aol.com writes: I don't know about other systems, but on AOL which I have, if I click on "reply" to a message, it goes to the sender, not the list, so I have to watch out and add the list back on to the "Send to". >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Adrian, I also have AOL, and I click 'reply all' then delete the sender's address so that they do not get two messages. One Rootsweb list I am on is set up so that all replies go to the list and not to the original poster. This is up to the list owner to organise. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

I don't know about other systems, but on AOL which I have, if I click on "reply" to a message, it goes to the sender, not the list, so I have to watch out and add the list back on to the "Send to". I think this accounts for a lot of lost replies, and it applies to all three lists I subscribe to. Adrian.

In the 1881 Census there were 11 houses in Exhibition Terrace, 9 in Hillfield Terrace, 13 in Hill Field (this is how it is shown) and 9 in Sydenham Place which was at the end of Exhibition Terrace and Hillfield Terrace. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

In a message dated 03/03/2005 16:01:29 GMT Standard Time, helendugdale@evemail.net writes: I am replying to your mail on list because SKS may be able to help us on this one >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In my opinion replies to the list are always a good idea, not only could the reply contain information useful to someone else, but you never know what other details you may get. I can't understand why list members are reluctant to do this. You often get postings saying thank you to several people, when none have appeared on the list. Perhaps someone can explain this? Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

In a message dated 03/03/2005 16:01:29 GMT Standard Time, helendugdale@evemail.net writes: However, the birth certificate I have clearly shows Hillfield so, like you, I cannot find it! Hopefully, someone else may have come across it and can help us. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Exhibition Terrace, Hillfield Terrace, and Hillfield were streets in Ayre's Quay, just north of the gas works. You can see them on the 1851 map of Sunderland at http://aesica.dur.ac.uk/pip/singlezoom.asp?img=p2650&ref1=2415 Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

You could get a copy of the will by writing to The Postal Searches & Copies Dept, York Probate Sub-Registry, Castle Chambers, Clifford Street, York, YO1 9RG, where a special unit deals with such requests. You can download an application form, or view their Conditions of Service at http://www.courtservice.gov.uk/cms/media/pa1s.pdf A 'standing search' [and extension of a 'standing search'] costs £5 this includes a copy of the grant and a copy of the Will. Payment should be made by cheque or postal order, payable to "H M Paymaster General Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

Hi List Just discovered a new name in my tree and wondered if there was anyone else on the list with the surname MILESON in amongst their ancestors. George Edward MILESON was born 1877 Sunderland, he married Nora THOMPSON 28 March 1899 at Christchurch, Ashbrooke, Sunderland. George's parents were Roger Tongs MILESON born 1841 & Susanna(Susan) BROWN born 1847. There were 3 other sons that I am aware of namely Roger Tongs 1875, Robert Brown 1880 and Edward Francis 1883. In 1901 they were living at 64 Ward Street. Welcome contact from anyone with an interest in this surname. Sue Sunderland

To - Murray Jones Thanks very much. Looks like a hit on BMD....Greatly appreciated. Where did you find the 1871 Census for Wales? Scott Bentham <mykinmik@yahoo.com> P.S. ya gotta love the Blue & Gold __________________________________ Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web http://birthday.yahoo.com/netrospective/

----- Original Message ----- From: "mime" <mykinmik@yahoo.com> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, February 28, 2005 9:41 PM Subject: [SUNDERLAND] Robert Bentham > 1861/1871 Census for Robert or Ann Bentham. > Robert Bentham b Feb 1812 Yarm,YKS -d 1851-1877 -occ Master Mariner ?> Ann Bentham -wife -b Oct 1815 Kingston upon Hull,YKS > Jane Hannah Bentham -dtr -b abt 1839 Sunderland ?>John Bentham -son -b abt 1842 Sunderland >Robert Bentham -son -b abt 1845 Sunderland ?>James Henry Bentham -son -b Sep 1849 Sunderland > > I am also trying to narrow down the year of death for Robert Bentham. Hello Scott How are things in the Peg? I think I found Ann with sons John and James in Wales in 1871. Ann is listed as a widow so I guess that puts Robert's death before 1871. FreeBMD has the following deathin Sunderland. Unfortunately no age given: Deaths Jun 1863 Surname First name(s) Age District Vol Page BENTHAM, Robert not given Sunderland 10a 297 Hope this helps. Murray Jones Regina, Saskatchewan, Canada "The Land of GREEN & WHITE" ************************** 1871 Census of WALES Civil parish: Roath County/Island: Glamorgan Street address: 77 Elm St. Source information: RG10/5366 Registration district: Cardiff Sub-registration district: Cardiff ED, institution, or vessel: 26a Folio: 56 Page: 24 Household schedule number: 101 Name Age_in_1871 Birthplace Relationship Occupation John Bentham 28 Bishop Wearmouth* Head Clerk Ship Broker Elise Bentham 27 Germany Wife Roath Ann Bentham 55 Widow Hull Mother Jas Hy Bentham 21 Bishop Wearmouth* Brother Butcher *Sunderland? **************************

I am researching the following names - BANKS : Stretton (Cheshire), Manchester (Lancs) BRADBURY : Lymm (Cheshire) BROWNBILL : St Helens (Lancs) CALLAGHAN : St Helens (Lancs), Ireland DANIELS : Bowdon (Cheshire) GABRIEL : St Helens (Lancs), Liverpool (Lancs), Dublin (Ireland) GARDNER : Dublin (Ireland) GRATWICH : Barlaston (Staffs) HIGHAM : Lymm (Cheshire), Leigh (Lancs) JOHNSON : Over Peover (Cheshire) JOHNSON : Barlaston (Staffs) JOHNS(T)ON : Wallasey (Cheshire), Birkenhead (Cheshire), Hull (East Riding), North Shields/Tynemouth (Northumberland), Ryton (Co. Durham) JONES : Whitchurch (Shrops) LEIGH : Lymm (Cheshire) MILLER : Lymm (Cheshire), Grappenhall (Cheshire) MOSTON/MOSSON : Lymm (Cheshire), Over Peover (Cheshire), Marthall (Cheshire), Snelson (Cheshire) MYCOCK : Barlaston (Staffs) NORBURY : Liverpool (Lancs) PERCIVAL : Lymm (Cheshire), Antrobus (Cheshire) RICHARDSON : Lymm (Cheshire), Prescot (Lancs) TABERN : St Helens (Lancs) THOMPSON : North Shields/Tynemouth (Northumberland) WILLIAMSON : Cheshire WINSTANLEY : Lymm (Cheshire) WOOTTON : Barlaston (Staffs), Moddershall (Staffs), Stone (Staffs) I would be pleased to hear from anyone with similar interests. Thanks Tim

Hello All Reposting interests Robson's, Sunderland and Corbridge 1800's Urwin, Newcastle 1800's Rowe, Sunderland 1850' Kent, Sunderland 1850' Regards Allan Robson -- Message sent with Supanet E-mail Signup to supanet at https://signup.supanet.com/cgi-bin/signup?_origin=sigwebmail

Hi, Hoping someone else may be researching these families. OSWALD - Penshaw, Monkwearmouth, Southwick, Sedgefield, Wheatley Head PATTERSON - Newbottle, Penshaw WARDLE - Winlaton BELL - Penshaw ROBSON - Penshaw The OSWALDs moved around to work in different collieries: Staffordshire, Cheshire, Warwickshire, Wales, Manchester from Michele Crawford Ontario, CANADA