----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat & Derek" <derek.phillips2@ntlworld.com> > On the name Dodgson I have the name with the Elders in 1851 > I know Charles Lutwidge Dodgson was Lewis Carroll and had some connections with Whitburn does any one have any idea if this was his brother or indeed any relation ? > > 1851 Census, South Shields District > Family Number: 13782.5 > Whitburn & Cleadon 1851 Census, Whitburn Village > Elizabeth Elder, Head, widowed, 59, Annuitant, born Stockton, Durham > Robert Elder, Son, 30, Mason, born South Brandon (?), Durham > William Elder, Son, 26, Mason, born Whitburn, Durham > John Elder, Son, 21, Blacksmith, born Whitburn, Durham > Thomas Elder, Son, 18, Mason, born Whitburn, Durham > William H. Dodgson, Lodger, 29, Artist, South Lincolnshire > > > > Cheers Pat Pat, I looked at the census image today (for another reason), and have no doubt that William's surname is spelled without a "G" as DODSON. Which is not to say that he wasn't a Dodgson anyway! Regards, Tim S. (please remove my fairly obvious spam trap if you wish to contact me directly)

Much obliged Stan will have to try that avenue I should have also asked about Army records as the info below is what I have William Overend Served in the Sunderland Borough Police from 1902 - 1936 He was recalled to the Army during WW1 and served at Sandhurst as a training officer Cheers Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: <Stanmapstone@aol.com> To: <derek.phillips2@ntlworld.com>; <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 7:45 PM Subject: Re: [SUNDERLAND] Police Records > In a message dated 08/03/2005 19:28:34 GMT Standard Time, > derek.phillips2@ntlworld.com writes: > Would there be any police personnel records or access to give me more > information ? > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Try TWAS at > http://www.thenortheast.com/archives/UserGuides/14_LawOrder.html#sect3 > > Sunderland Borough Constabulary > Established 1836 (see Watch Committee minutes TWAS CB/SU). Integrated into > Northumbria Police in 1974. > Personnel records 1939-1967. Chief Constables' annual reports 1950-1957; > general orders 1912-1965; attestation book 1837-1865; charge books 1837-1843; > information book 1947-1959; summons book 1972-1976; prosecutions at Quarter > Sessions and Assizes 1951-1972 [acc 209, T163, T164, T433] > Regards Stan Mapstone > www.mapstone.org > >

No I am not looking for info on criminals William Overend born about 1879 supposedly in Middlesborough was a policeman in Sunderland in the early 1900s Would there be any police personnel records or access to give me more information ? Cheers Pat

Typical just when I thought we were famous but thanks Tim The transcript came from an online site so maybe they had just typed it incorrectly Cheers Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "tim sewell" <postmantim2@optusnet.com.au> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 08, 2005 11:15 AM Subject: Re: [genealogy] [SUNDERLAND] Dodgson > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Pat & Derek" <derek.phillips2@ntlworld.com> > > > On the name Dodgson I have the name with the Elders in 1851 > > I know Charles Lutwidge Dodgson was Lewis Carroll and had some connections > with Whitburn does any one have any idea if this was his brother or indeed > any relation ? > > > > 1851 Census, South Shields District > > Family Number: 13782.5 > > Whitburn & Cleadon 1851 Census, Whitburn Village > > Elizabeth Elder, Head, widowed, 59, Annuitant, born Stockton, Durham > > Robert Elder, Son, 30, Mason, born South Brandon (?), Durham > > William Elder, Son, 26, Mason, born Whitburn, Durham > > John Elder, Son, 21, Blacksmith, born Whitburn, Durham > > Thomas Elder, Son, 18, Mason, born Whitburn, Durham > > William H. Dodgson, Lodger, 29, Artist, South Lincolnshire > > > > > > > > Cheers Pat > > > Pat, > > I looked at the census image today (for another reason), and have no doubt > that William's surname is spelled without a "G" as DODSON. Which is not to > say that he wasn't a Dodgson anyway! > > Regards, > Tim S. > (please remove my fairly obvious spam trap if you wish to contact me > directly) > > > ==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== > History of Sunderland, > http://www.sunderland-index.co.uk/history/history01.html > >

In a message dated 08/03/2005 19:28:34 GMT Standard Time, derek.phillips2@ntlworld.com writes: Would there be any police personnel records or access to give me more information ? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Try TWAS at http://www.thenortheast.com/archives/UserGuides/14_LawOrder.html#sect3 Sunderland Borough Constabulary Established 1836 (see Watch Committee minutes TWAS CB/SU). Integrated into Northumbria Police in 1974. Personnel records 1939-1967. Chief Constables' annual reports 1950-1957; general orders 1912-1965; attestation book 1837-1865; charge books 1837-1843; information book 1947-1959; summons book 1972-1976; prosecutions at Quarter Sessions and Assizes 1951-1972 [acc 209, T163, T164, T433] Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

Would SKS please lookup the following GREENHALGHs in the 1861 Census for Sunderland, Durham: On the 1871 cenus they lived at 15 Norwich Street in the Township of Little Bolton, East Municipal ward, St. John Parish, Lancashire. It also shows that in 1861 their son William was born in Sunderland, Durham. John (45) Head, coal miner born L. Bolton Alice (43) Wife born Little Hulton Anson (19) Son born L. Bolton Mary Ellen (17) Daughter born L. Bolton William (12) Son born Little Hulton Joseph (10) Son born Sunderland, Durham Margaret (7) Daughter born L. Bolton John (3) Son born L. Bolton Any help greatly appreciated. Thanks, Jo

Hi from Australia, I have just found out from an old relative that my great-grandmother's maiden surname was (Elizabeth ??) Klemson. She was married to John George Smith (Jim). I don't have a date of birth for either of them but my grandmother, Clara Isabella Smith was the 2nd oldest daughter and she was born in 1906, the oldest was Bessie Smith, born in Dec 1904. So I guess the parents would have been born around 1877 - 1885 maybe. I presume they both came from the Sunderland area?? Does anyone have any information please that could help. Thanks for any help Maureen

In a message dated 06/03/2005 22:52:26 GMT Standard Time, hauser@internode.on.net writes: I have just found out from an old relative that my great-grandmother's maiden surname was (Elizabeth ??) Klemson.............. So I guess the parents would have been born around 1877 - 1885 maybe. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Maureen, There are no people called Klemson in the 1881 census. I think it should be Clemson, of which there are 428, mainly in Lancashire and the Midlands but none in the NE. There are also no Klemson names in FreeBMD Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

Hi Listers Searching For John CAIN about 1865/66/67 father Michael Elizabeth CRANNER [ possible variants ]about 1867 father LUKE John and Elizbeth both born Sunderland parents born Ireland Their son George CAIN married 1925 to Doris WRAY father Henry Any help appreciated Look ups on 1851/61 census for Michael CAIN and Luke CRANNER Nancy Withernsea ERY

In my note yesterday I made a mistake and said that John Elder could not decide where he was born It was actually his son in law Daniel Toft who did that I think they just liked to confuse future generations On the name Dodgson I have the name with the Elders in 1851 I know Charles Lutwidge Dodgson was Lewis Carroll and had some connections with Whitburn does any one have any idea if this was his brother or indeed any relation ? 1851 Census, South Shields District Family Number: 13782.5 Whitburn & Cleadon 1851 Census, Whitburn Village Elizabeth Elder, Head, widowed, 59, Annuitant, born Stockton, Durham Robert Elder, Son, 30, Mason, born South Brandon (?), Durham William Elder, Son, 26, Mason, born Whitburn, Durham John Elder, Son, 21, Blacksmith, born Whitburn, Durham Thomas Elder, Son, 18, Mason, born Whitburn, Durham William H. Dodgson, Lodger, 29, Artist, South Lincolnshire Cheers Pat

Thank you so much for the two census details you sent on the 1891 there is a bonus as Mary is living next door to her sister who married Joseph Noble, and in the 1901 I see that John came from Elsinor which makes more sense than the name I had. Thank you Best wishes Maureen ----- Original Message ----- From: "Branton Family Tree" <branton_st@dsl.pipex.com> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 06, 2005 8:56 AM Subject: RE: [SUNDERLAND] PETERSON/SEN > > > -----Original Message----- > From: John Hurst Sent: 06 March 2005 00:12 > To: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com > Subject: [SUNDERLAND] PETERSON/SEN > > Hi Maureen > > I have sent the 1891 census to you. > > There were shown as PETTERSON. > > Sue > > > ==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== > Sunderland.com > http://www.sunderland.com/ > Sunderland Echo > http://www.sunderland-echo.co.uk/ > >

-----Original Message----- From: John Hurst Sent: 06 March 2005 00:12 To: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SUNDERLAND] PETERSON/SEN Hi Maureen I have sent the 1891 census to you. There were shown as PETTERSON. Sue

-----Original Message----- From: John Hurst Sent: 06 March 2005 00:12 To: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [SUNDERLAND] PETERSON/SEN Hi Maureen 1901 census image sent off list. Sue

I had a lot of help with my Gotts of Seaham Query and If anyone could help with my Peteson/sen branch that would be really great. Mary Gott married John Peterson 1873 and in the 1901 census he is of Denmark, Elanior a British subject. aged 54 ,they have a daughter ADA aged 24 born Seaham Colliery, then Gertrude16,Evaline14, Elizabeth10,May 8, all born in Sunderland. I can't find them at all in the 1881 census or the 1891 on free cen. By the ages it looks as though there ought to be some other children between ADA and Gertrude. I have tried Ada aged 4 John born Denmark and Mary born Seaham but with no results. If anyone could help with ideas I would be most obliged. I just used the free online version of the 1901 census so maybe I missed someone there. Thank you Best wishes Maureen

Hi Michele I have an Ann Dobson from Sunderland who married William Windley in Sunderland. Her birth is about 1785. Thanks David ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michele Crawford" <michele_crawford@sympatico.ca> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 11:15 PM Subject: [SUNDERLAND] Mary Ann DOBSON -Winlaton >I am hoping someone else may be researching DOBSONs of Sunderland. > > If someone can find a birth record for Mary Ann DOBSON abt 1822, I would > be most appreciative. > > Mary Ann DOBSON married William OSWALD b 1825, Penshaw. They likely > married abt 1849. I have not found a marriage record, either. > > I'd love to hear from other DOBSON researchers as well. > > Thank You, > Michele Crawford > Ontario, CANADA > > > ==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== > Genuki Sunderland pages, > http://website.lineone.net/~pjoiner/genuki/DUR/Sunderland/index.html > >

Not sure if our Morrison family would link as the Alexander Morrison I am talking about was the only one from his line that I am aware of who came to England. Alexander Morrison was b 5 April 1873 in Macduff Banffshire Scotland. His parents were Alexander Morrison b 1832 in Gamrie Banffshire m Elspet Michie 1858 there were 11 children (I have all their births). The above Alexander b 1832 parents were John Morrison b 12 May 1792 m Jean Brodie1825 (second wife) there were 6 children that I know of John Morrison b 1792 parents were John Morrison b 11 December 1762 m Anne davidson 1788 they had 3 children that I know of John Morrison b 1762 parents were James Morrison b abt 1735 m Margaret Brebner abt 1760 I do have a fair bit of information on some of the children of all of the above and am aware that some moved to Aberdeenshire and in fact some still live there. Others migrated to Canada and I have a litle bit of information there. A bit of intersting information is that my father Mathew Wright Downey Morrison worked in the shipbuilding trade before he became an overhead crane driver. So maybe shipbuilding was in the Morrison blood. If anyone can link to this tree I would love to hear from you. Anne Ambrose >From: "Dorothy Newby" <bluevelvet@mstar2.net> >To: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com >Subject: Re: [SUNDERLAND] Hardy >Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 19:07:54 -0800 > >Hello Anne > >I am also a Morrison by birth. It will be interesting if we connect. > >My grandfather, Alexander MORRISON was born 17 April 1873 in Monkwearmouth. >His father, Alexander MORRISON was born 21 September 1830, Monkwearmouth >Shore; >His father Alexander MORISON was born 21 June 1786 in Edinburgh, his father >was William MORRISON born 23 February 1758 also Edinburgh; William married >Margaret MORISON born about 1760 and her father was Donald MORISON. Where >they were from, I do not know. William and Margaret were married 18 May >1785 at Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh. This may be the line where we may tie >in. The Margaret MORISON line. > >William's father was William MORISON born 8 February 1730 also Edinburgh., >his father was James Morison christened 8 May 1698 at St Cuthbert, >Edinburgh, his father was Williame Morisone, christened 25 November 1660 at >Edinburgh Parish, his father was James MORISONE christened 20 September >1629 at Edinburgh Parish. > >I have a trip to Scotland in the planning stage to try and find Margaret >MORISON and her father, Donald MORISON and where they might be found. I >have found several Margaret MORISON's with a father, Donald MORISON from >several places and not sure just where they might be from. I thought that >if I go to Edinburgh I may find a clue as to where they might be from. > >My grandfather came to America with his mother, Susannah Webster HILES >MORRISON when he was 16 years old. > >The MORRISON line seemed to follow the shipbuilding industry or the Royal >Navy as an occupation. > >The given names of William, Alexander, James, John and Robert were >prominent in my MORRISON family line. I have spelled the names as I found >them on the original record. I have found over 36 ways to spell MORRISON >including MORREYSOUNE. > >I will share any information I have with others also. Regards > >Dorothy >USA >----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Ambrose" ><anneofgrafton@hotmail.com> >To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> >Sent: Friday, March 04, 2005 12:45 PM >Subject: RE: [SUNDERLAND] Hardy > > >>Hi Jane >> >>I am a Morrison by birth born in Sunderland. Father was Mathew Wright >>Downey Morrison son of Alexander Morrison. Alexander Morrison was born in >>Banffshire Scotland 6 April 1873. I can trace most of this family back to >>James morrison b abt 1735 in Gamrie Banff Scotland. If you think we might >>have a link let me know as I am always keen to share information >> >> >> >> >>Anne Ambrose nee Morrison >> >> >> >> >>>From: Jane Waddington <jfreemandesigns@btinternet.com> >>>To: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com >>>Subject: [SUNDERLAND] Hardy >>>Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:26:11 +0000 (GMT) >>> >>>Hi, >>>If anyone has any info on the following names, i'd greatly appreciate it. >>>Noble(Sunderland, know lived @ 6, Salem St South @1901census) >>>Hardy(Sundreland) >>>Purdy(Sunderland) >>>Also 'May Noble' - comedienne, apparently connected to Jimmy James and >>>the Poirots(Sunderland) >>>May Garbutt >>>Ward Kennedy >>>Igas Swarwell(Norweigen name I believe) >>>Freeman >>>Morrison(JohnMcWilliam)(Scotland) >>> >>>Thanks, hope to hear form anyone soon >>>Jane >>>North Yorkshire >>> >>> >>> >>>==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== >>>To post to the list, messages should be sent to >>>ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com >>> >> >> >> >>==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== >>This list is only as good as you make it. Please Participate and help keep >>it interesting! >> >> >> > > > >==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== >To unsubscribe from this list send a message to >ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L-request@rootsweb.com >that contains (in the body of the message) the command unsubscribe >to unsubscribe from digest send the command unsubscribe to >ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-D-request@rootsweb.com >

Hi David, Thanks for your reply. Have you found the parents of your Ann DOBSON? I was seeing many Charlton DOBSONs on the LDS site and I had a hunch that might be an ancestor earlier. Bye for now, Michele ON.CA ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Strydom" <d.strydom@blueyonder.co.uk> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 6:37 PM Subject: Re: [SUNDERLAND] Mary Ann DOBSON -Winlaton > Hi Michele > > I have an Ann Dobson from Sunderland who married William Windley in > Sunderland. Her birth is about 1785. > > > Thanks > > David > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Michele Crawford" <michele_crawford@sympatico.ca> > To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 11:15 PM > Subject: [SUNDERLAND] Mary Ann DOBSON -Winlaton > > >>I am hoping someone else may be researching DOBSONs of Sunderland. >> >> If someone can find a birth record for Mary Ann DOBSON abt 1822, I would >> be most appreciative. >> >> Mary Ann DOBSON married William OSWALD b 1825, Penshaw. They likely >> married abt 1849. I have not found a marriage record, either. >> >> I'd love to hear from other DOBSON researchers as well. >> >> Thank You, >> Michele Crawford >> Ontario, CANADA >> >> >> ==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== >> Genuki Sunderland pages, >> http://website.lineone.net/~pjoiner/genuki/DUR/Sunderland/index.html >> >> > > > ==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== > Genuki Sunderland pages, > http://website.lineone.net/~pjoiner/genuki/DUR/Sunderland/index.html > >

I am hoping someone else may be researching DOBSONs of Sunderland. If someone can find a birth record for Mary Ann DOBSON abt 1822, I would be most appreciative. Mary Ann DOBSON married William OSWALD b 1825, Penshaw. They likely married abt 1849. I have not found a marriage record, either. I'd love to hear from other DOBSON researchers as well. Thank You, Michele Crawford Ontario, CANADA

Hello Anne and Jane, My g grandfather, George MORRISON , appears on the 1901 census for Sunderland with his wife Margaret Jane and their children, Margaret Jane, Edward and Kathleen. George was born Scotland about 1867 and was a Tailors cutter. This is the only information I have for him - so far I have not been able to find him anywhere else, other than I remember my mother saying he had a Tailors shop, in a place called Durham Row? Not much to go on, but I wonder if he appears anywhere in your records. Kind regards Barbara TONES born Sunderland - living Melbourne Australia. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anne Ambrose" <anneofgrafton@hotmail.com> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Saturday, March 05, 2005 7:45 AM Subject: RE: [SUNDERLAND] Hardy > Hi Jane > > I am a Morrison by birth born in Sunderland. Father was Mathew Wright Downey > Morrison son of Alexander Morrison. Alexander Morrison was born in > Banffshire Scotland 6 April 1873. I can trace most of this family back to > James morrison b abt 1735 in Gamrie Banff Scotland. If you think we might > have a link let me know as I am always keen to share information > Anne Ambrose nee Morrison > > >From: Jane Waddington <jfreemandesigns@btinternet.com> > >To: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com > >Subject: [SUNDERLAND] Hardy > >Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 12:26:11 +0000 (GMT) > > > >Hi, > >If anyone has any info on the following names, i'd greatly appreciate it. > >Morrison(JohnMcWilliam)(Scotland) > > > >Thanks, hope to hear form anyone soon > >Jane

My names are Toft Sunderland /Murton Lee Northumberland /Murton John Clark -Sunderland -a glassmaker Elder - Whitburn but he gave Earsdon, born at sea, or Sunderland as birthplaces in different census Ewart, Kirkcaldy Fife -Northumberland Then I have Stoddart -Sunderland, with middle names Millican & Whitehead I do have this one but unsure of where or if it fits Deaths June 1876 Ralph Whitehead Stoddart age 21 Reeth 9d 388 Overend Believe Middlesborough, then Sunderland The last 2 names I am just starting on so any info would be a joy Cheers Pat in a very windy Sunderland