Could some one look for a family for me please? C. Cooper was living at 65 Wayman Street, Monkwearmouth, in 1878 but is not there in 1881.I am sure he would be living not far away. He was married to the daughter of my ancestor John Durey but I would like to find out which daughter---he was the informant at his mother-in-law's death.His wife would be in her 40's and born either Ireland or Co. Durham. Thank you. Joan.

Have you a Rachel MORDEY who married a William MAJOR in Sunderland 1867.? This is my brother in laws family, he has just started researching. regards Maureen Hurst ----- Original Message ----- From: "allen hindmarsh" <john.hindmarsh1@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Sunday, March 13, 2005 5:48 AM Subject: [SUNDERLAND] interests Mordey etc > Hi Group, > New to this list, I am researching the following names: > WEST, ROBERTS, BRUCE, DAVISON and BROWN all from Sunderland or the close > surrounding area. > I am trying to find the link between the West's and MORDEY. I have 3 Joseph > Mordey West's! > 1) Joseph Mordey West born Sep qtr 1859 Sunderland District, married Ann > Davison born Dec qtr 1862 Sunderland died Sep qtr 1899. Remarried Jane > Louisa Bruce Dec qtr 1900, she was born Mar qtr 1875 Sunderland. > 2) Their 2nd child was Joseph Mordey West born Sep qtr 1894 > 3) Joseph Mordey West born Mar qtr 1883, father James West, brother of > Joseph. He married Eliza Roberts Mar 1883 Sunderland. > The Brown link is via Isabella born about 1819 who married a Brown, her > daughter, Isabella Brown married a Davison and had 5 known children > including John Brown Davison and Francis Hind Davison. > > If anyone can shed some light on these folks I would be very grateful. > > Cheers > > (John James) Allen Hindmarsh > > > > -- > No virus found in this outgoing message. > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 11/03/2005 > > > ==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== > History of Sunderland, > http://www.sunderland-index.co.uk/history/history01.html >

In a message dated 14/03/2005 12:04:35 GMT Standard Time, joanchantelle@onetel.com writes: but I would like to find out which daughter >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Do you have the names of the daughters? It would be a help in trying to find them. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

Hi Mary, I've noticed that you are in the USA. It could be easier to order a copy birth certificate on-line from the GRO, for details see http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificate/index.asp#0 Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

In a message dated 13/03/2005 16:41:53 GMT Standard Time, foxit@ev1.net writes: Is there a local government office there in Sunderland that houses the birth record for John Thomas Rimer? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> See http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/public/editable/life-episodes/bdm/certificates.as p Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

Thanks to Pat and Stan for their help. Now that I have an address (from the census) I can look at one of the maps for the area. And I can correct the information that James was born in Sunderland. I know very little about the Reeves and Clarke connections and will have to fill in some blanks before I can decide where any of them connect. In fact the only hint to either Reeves or Kirkland is that a child was given their names at birth: George and Wilhelmina (Unknown) Clarke had Mary Catherine Reeves Kirkland CLARKE in 1812 in Norham England. We have a church record of her birth dated 16 June 1812 from Presbyterian Church, Etal (Northumberland) England. She died (date unknown) in Sunderland. Her husband Joseph KNOX was born 19 Oct 1819 in Tweedmouth (Northumberland) with a church record dated 23 October 1819 from Spittal United Presbyterian Church. Their daughter, Ann Carr KNOX was 19 December 1847 in Berwick Upon Tweed. She married James KING and is listed on the census (I know because of your help!) as Ann C King and Annie King. Sue

Dear List Members, This is my first post to this list, so please bear with me if I make this a clumsy attempt. My three times great grandparents, Thomas Rimer & Mary Ann Deary/Derry were married in Berwick-Upon-Tweed in the early part of 1850. (Thomas was a soldier in the 33rd Regiment of Foot.) Then, in the early part of September, 1850, John Thomas Rimer was born to this couple in Sunderland. My two questions are: * Is there a local government office there in Sunderland that houses the birth record for John Thomas Rimer? * Is there a possibility to discover whether Thomas, Mary Ann, and John Thomas Rimer were in Sunderland during the 1851 census? I am up against the wall trying to find a way to locate this family in the 1851 census...don't know how to proceed. Thank you to all for reading this and for anyone who can provide me with help and/or direction. Kind Regards, Mary A. Fox Texas - U.S.A.

Hi John & others, As I said in an off line email to you that my great-grandfather was William Morris Mordey who was born in Sunderland, b28 Mar 1856;died 01 Jul 1938. He married Hannah Smith in 1882 but kept my great-grandmother as a mistress and put his name to my grandmother's birth certificate! At the time my grandmother was born it is stated on the birth certificate that both parties are living at the same address? However when you check the census it clearly gives both Hannah and William at the same address in the Greater London area. So any further information about the Mordey family would be interesting, I do have two more generations back from William; John Goodchild Mordey was William M Mordey's father and his mother was Mary Stephenson - John's father was 'William Mordey' and that is about as far as I can go! William Morris Mordey had an older brother, Robert Stephenson Mordey, I have a few notes about the Stephenson family. I do however, have several generations of Goodchild's from a very kind researcher who shared his files with me of over 8000+ names! I hope that sheds a little light on my Sunderland/Durham research and I would be very happy to share any if it with any of you:-) Kind Regards, Susan _http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/k/e/n/Susan-J-Kennedy-Lanarkshire/ index.html_ (http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/k/e/n/Susan-J-Kennedy-Lanarkshire/index.html)

Hi Group, New to this list, I am researching the following names: WEST, ROBERTS, BRUCE, DAVISON and BROWN all from Sunderland or the close surrounding area. I am trying to find the link between the West's and MORDEY. I have 3 Joseph Mordey West's! 1) Joseph Mordey West born Sep qtr 1859 Sunderland District, married Ann Davison born Dec qtr 1862 Sunderland died Sep qtr 1899. Remarried Jane Louisa Bruce Dec qtr 1900, she was born Mar qtr 1875 Sunderland. 2) Their 2nd child was Joseph Mordey West born Sep qtr 1894 3) Joseph Mordey West born Mar qtr 1883, father James West, brother of Joseph. He married Eliza Roberts Mar 1883 Sunderland. The Brown link is via Isabella born about 1819 who married a Brown, her daughter, Isabella Brown married a Davison and had 5 known children including John Brown Davison and Francis Hind Davison. If anyone can shed some light on these folks I would be very grateful. Cheers (John James) Allen Hindmarsh -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.308 / Virus Database: 266.7.2 - Release Date: 11/03/2005

In a message dated 12/03/2005 17:20:01 GMT Standard Time, Sbaw53@aol.com writes: James KING was the only one born in Sunderland, the other were in Berwick on Tweed, Tweedmouth and Norham. The only occupation I know is for James KING. He was said to have been a glass blower or to have worked in the glassmaking industry. The Ann (KNOX) and James KING left England sometime between1848 and 1887 and settled in the US, where he continued work making glass. Hi Sue, From the 1871 Census. James King, head, age 24, born Southwick, Durham, glass maker. Anne C. King, wife, age 23, born Southwick, Durham. George W. King, son, age 1, born Southwick, Durham. James King, son age 1 month, born Southwick, Durham. Living at 11 Malaburn Terrace Southwick, Durham. From the 1881 Census. James King, head, age 31, born Southwick, Durham, Glassmaker. Annie King, wife, age 29, born Southwick, Durham. James King, son, age 8, born Southwick, Durham. Eleanor King, daughter, age 5, born Southwick, Durham. John King, son, age 3, born Southwick, Durham. Living at 27, Wellington Street, Southwick, Durham. Regards Stan Mapstone www.mapstone.org

Hi, I have a brick wall!! Would SKS please see if they can find Henry Patten in the 1851 Census for Sunderland. Henry was born in Sunderland about 1828, was a mariner as was his father James. His mother was Margaret Robertson. Many thanks and regards, Wayne (Sydney, Australia)

Should be Location on my last note ! I think there was a not on this list for Whitehead so maybe the following might be of use All Bishopwearmouth marriages 16 Oct 1814 George Lewis = Isabella Whitehead 18 Feb 1816 Andrew Williamson = Mary Whitehead 21 Jul 1819 Wilkinson Moses Whitehead = Jemima Farrer 20 Oct 1829 George Dickenson = Jane Whitehead 23 May 1830 Richard Thornton = Hannah Whitehead 23 May 1830 Robert Whitehead = Alice Forster 6 Aug 1831 Thomas Watson = Ann Whitehead Cheers Pat

I have a family at North Hylton, Salt Grass Houses in 1841 can any one shed any light on where that might have been and where the family might have gone to church ? 1841 Census, Sunderland District Family Number: 11502.4 North Hylton, Outlying Farms & Dwellings, Salt Grass Houses William Stoddart, 50, Shipwright Mary Stoddart, 50 William Stoddart, 24 James Stoddart, 20 Thomas Stoddart, 15, Shipwright Jane Stoddart, 14 Robert Ogle, 40, Shipwright Frederick Augustus Hatton [Hutton (?)], 44, Ropemaker Hopefully Pat !

Hello to the Sunderland List, I have been reading the posts for a while now, but have never added anything of my own. I am on several mailing lists and this is one of the most informative. I enjoy reading about the addresses, even though I have never been in Sunderland. The lines I am researching were there for a time, though. Here are some of their names: George and Wilhelmina CLARKE & their daughter (dates unknown) Mary Catherine Reeves Kirkland CLARKE b 1812 & her husband Joseph KNOX b 1819 their daughter Anne Carr KNOX b 1847 her husband James KING b 1848 in Sunderland James KING was the only one born in Sunderland, the other were in Berwick on Tweed, Tweedmouth and Norham. The only occupation I know is for James KING. He was said to have been a glass blower or to have worked in the glassmaking industry. The Ann (KNOX) and James KING left England sometime between1848 and 1887 and settled in the US, where he continued work making glass. Are any of these names familiar to anyone? Best Wishes and thanks for keeping the board so interesting. Sue from Arkansas USA

I looked in HO/107/2395 folio's 1-542 and did not see him. I however found one Patten in Monkwearmouth Shore Township -- Margaret Patten age 23, married, mariner's wife born Aberdeen Scotland. This is HO 107/2398 folio 226. Janis

Wayne I only have part of the Indexes for this census, namely Vol 6 and 12 and can't find them there I'm afraid. To help narrow down your research, these Volumes cover: HO/107/2395 Folios 339 to 542, and HO/107/2396 Folios 4-236. recto. respectively. (I've no idea what 'recto.' means!) Good luck. edward Surrey, England Using Norton Anti-Virus 2005 Researching: Paxton/Laing/Howard/Moat/Patterson in Sunderland and Newcastle Miller/McCurdie in Kilmory, Arran Wyllie in Kilmarnock and Tarbolton, Ayrshire and then in Tradeston, Glasgow McPhail in Campbeltown, Argyll and then in Anderston, Glasgow McPhail in Oban, Argyll and then in Anderston, Glasgow Currie in Milton, Glasgow Mundell/Raffel/Glendinning/Dinwoodie/Leithhead in Moffat and Kirkmichael, Dumfriesshire, and then in Glasgow Kerr/McLeod in Assynt, Sutherland

A further correction (sorry about all this). (And sorry Stan for sending my last message directly to you as well as to the list). I have just come back from perusing the 1861 and 1891 census images for Whitburn. * 1. The Freecen 1861 record which shows the Wilcox family living at Westoe (Piece RG9/3792 Place Westoe-Co. Durham Enumeration District:21 Civil Parish:Whitburn etc...) contains a serious transcription error. Piece 3792 is actually the first page of Whitburn Village, not Westoe at all. And there is William Wilcox on page 1, living in Whitburn (as everyone thought until I introduced Freecen into the discussion) in 1861. So my speculation about Marsden Bay being Lewis Carroll's inspiration turns out to have been pure nonsense. (Ah, well....) * 2. In 1861, theWilcoxes are shown to be living in an un-named and un-numbered house, merely shown as No. 5 in Whitburn Village. In contrast, quite a number of other houses are given names where available. Thus, even the Gardener's House at Whitburn Hall is named as such. I have no doubt that, if High Croft (an imposing two-storey house) had existed in 1861, and the Wilcoxes had lived there, the enumerator would have told us so. *3. The 1891 census shows two unmarried Wilcox sisters (Isabella L Wilcox aged 41 and Mary D. Wilcox 31), their widowed sister Clara M. Hitchcock aged 35, William (Clara's son) aged 6, a visitor, a boarder, and two servants, all living at High Croft. *4. I haven't yet looked to see if there were any Wilcoxes still living at Stafford Lane in 1891. Of those that did live there in 1881, only Isabella moved to High Croft. (Neither Mary nor Clara were living at Staffords Lane in 1881). *5. I have looked again at the 1862 map. That shows one solitary house on the West side of Lizard Lane, close to the bottom (South) end. It seems logical that if it were to be given a street number, it would have to be called "1 Lizard Lane". I am happy to believe that house is where William Wilcox lived. (High Croft, on the other hand, was built at the top of the hill on the East side). *6. A (free) search for current postcodes in Lizard Lane on Postcodeanywhere is quite enlightening. It offers odd numbered addresses from 1 to 99, but only 2 even numbered addresses (8 and 10). The current street map shows numerous houses (in a practically continuous sequence) on the West side, going right up the road to a point well North of the old site of High Croft. But there are very few on the East side. Surely that indicates that the house numbers start from the bottom of the hill, and odd numbered houses in Lizard Lane are those on the West? (Also I find it difficult to see how 1 Lizard Lane could have been High Croft, if that is still a current postal address!) *7 From personal knowledge I know that, at least in the early 1940s, the postal address for High Croft did not include a street name or number - all mail to High Croft was simply addressed "High Croft, Whitburn, Co. Durham", and that was the address shown on the family stationery. I am content to draw the following conclusions (and others are quite welcome to disagree with me if they wish!) : 1. High Croft was probably built in the mid 1880s. (It was not named as the Wilcox residence in 1861, not shown on the map in 1862, not mentioned in the 1881 census). 2. The fact that Wilcox sisters lived in High Croft in 1890 has apparently been taken (incorrectly) as evidence that their father William Wilcox had lived there in 1855. 3. I accept that Lewis Carroll did visit his Wilcox cousins in Whitburn in 1855, but he could not have gone to High Croft at that time. He may perhaps have visited High Croft during his final years, but not when Father William was alive. My best wishes to all who have stayed with this ramble to its end (including those who disagree with my conclusions). Tim S.

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I just wanted to say that I for one am enjoying the information that is coming through I think it keeps the list lively Cheers Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "tim sewell" <postmantim2@optusnet.com.au> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2005 10:44 AM Subject: [SUNDERLAND] Re:Southwick and Lewis Caroll > A further correction (sorry about all this). (And sorry Stan for sending my > last message directly to you as well as to the list). > > I have just come back from perusing the 1861 and 1891 census images for > Whitburn. > > * 1. The Freecen 1861 record which shows the Wilcox family living at Westoe > (Piece RG9/3792 Place Westoe-Co. Durham Enumeration District:21 Civil > Parish:Whitburn etc...) contains a serious transcription error. > Piece 3792 is actually the first page of Whitburn Village, not Westoe at > all. And there is William Wilcox on page 1, living in Whitburn (as everyone > thought until I introduced Freecen into the discussion) in 1861. > > So my speculation about Marsden Bay being Lewis Carroll's inspiration turns > out to have been pure nonsense. (Ah, well....) > > * 2. In 1861, theWilcoxes are shown to be living in an un-named and > un-numbered house, merely shown as No. 5 in Whitburn Village. > In contrast, quite a number of other houses are given names where available. > Thus, even the Gardener's House at Whitburn Hall is named as such. I have > no doubt that, if High Croft (an imposing two-storey house) had existed in > 1861, and > the Wilcoxes had lived there, the enumerator would have told us so. > > *3. The 1891 census shows two unmarried Wilcox sisters (Isabella L Wilcox > aged 41 and Mary D. Wilcox 31), their widowed sister Clara M. Hitchcock aged > 35, William (Clara's son) aged 6, a visitor, a boarder, and two servants, > all living at High Croft. > > *4. I haven't yet looked to see if there were any Wilcoxes still living at > Stafford Lane in 1891. Of those that did live there in 1881, only Isabella > moved to High Croft. (Neither Mary nor Clara were living at Staffords Lane > in 1881). > > *5. I have looked again at the 1862 map. That shows one solitary house on > the West side of Lizard Lane, close to the bottom (South) end. It seems > logical that > if it were to be given a street number, it would have to be called "1 Lizard > Lane". I am happy to believe that house is where William Wilcox lived. > (High Croft, on the other hand, was built at the top of the hill on the East > side). > > *6. A (free) search for current postcodes in Lizard Lane on > Postcodeanywhere is > quite enlightening. It offers odd numbered addresses from 1 to 99, but > only 2 even numbered addresses (8 and 10). > The current street map shows numerous houses (in a practically continuous > sequence) on the West side, going right up the road to a point well North of > the old site of High Croft. But there are very few on the East side. > Surely that indicates that the house numbers start from the bottom of the > hill, and odd numbered houses in Lizard Lane are those on the West? (Also > I find it difficult to see how 1 Lizard Lane could have been High Croft, if > that is still a current postal address!) > > *7 From personal knowledge I know that, at least in the early 1940s, the > postal address for High Croft did not include a street name or number - all > mail to High Croft was simply addressed "High Croft, Whitburn, Co. Durham", > and that was the address shown on the family stationery. > > I am content to draw the following conclusions (and others are quite welcome > to disagree with me if they wish!) : > > 1. High Croft was probably built in the mid 1880s. (It was not named as > the Wilcox residence in 1861, not shown on the map in 1862, not mentioned in > the 1881 > census). > > 2. The fact that Wilcox sisters lived in High Croft in 1890 has apparently > been taken (incorrectly) as evidence that their father William Wilcox had > lived there in 1855. > > 3. I accept that Lewis Carroll did visit his Wilcox cousins in Whitburn in > 1855, but he could not have gone to High Croft at that time. He may perhaps > have visited High Croft during his final years, but not when Father William > was alive. > > My best wishes to all who have stayed with this ramble to its end (including > those who disagree with my conclusions). > > Tim S. > > > > ==== ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Mailing List ==== > Sunderland.com > http://www.sunderland.com/ > Sunderland Echo > http://www.sunderland-echo.co.uk/ > >

----- Original Message ----- From: <Stanmapstone@aol.com> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> <snipped> > > In 1855 Alexander Wilcox was the Collector of Customs for Sunderland. Yes, indeed, but... The 1861 Census (thanks again to all the Freecen volunteers) shows Alexander Wilcox and his family to be living at Westoe (in Whitburn civil and ecclesiastical parishes, but not in Whitburn village), quite some way from the High Croft that we are homing on. The 1856 -1862 OS map on Tomorrows History, and the 1862 map on Old Maps (which looks very much like the same map) shows that the site on which High Croft was eventually built was still merely a disused limestone quarry at that time (with just two small sheds on the quarry floor). The only Whitburn Wilcoxes recorded in the 1881 census were living at Stafford Lane (a short cut between front Street and North Guards). And there seems to be no mention of High Croft in the 1881 census of Whitburn village. > In 1890 a Miss Wilcox was living in High Croft, Whitburn. I have always understood that High Croft was not built until the mid 1890s, but your reference to Miss Wilcox living there in 1890 (presumably from the 1890 Kelly's Directory ?) seems to prove me wrong in that detail. I will see if I can get any further clarification from the 1851, 1871 and 1891 censuses (or from others in the family). >In the 1901 census a William Sewell was living in High Croft, Whitburn. >He was still there in 1914. William Sewell lived there until his death in 1925, when High Croft passed to his son Thomas Reginald Sewell. All of this is of great personal interest to me, because William Sewell was my grandfather, Thomas Reginald was my uncle and step-father, and High Croft was my home for a significant portion of my boyhood. But, coming back to my original puzzlement - I see nothing that indicates that the Misses Wilcox could have been living at High Croft in 1855, when Lewis Carroll visited them. If he was really visiting Westoe, perhaps the sands that inspired him were Marsden Bay, and not Whitburn as we would think of it nowadays? Tim S.