Hi List, While we are taking about this area, do you have any info on Shorts Quay, Dirchburn Terrace, Pallion? Any info gratefully received, Jan.

What was the difference between a public house and a beer house? Does anyone known when the following Deptford Public Houses and Beer Houses opened and closed. These were all listed in Whellans 1894 Directory? Public Houses: Eagle Tavern, Farringdon Row George IV Inn, 29, Hanover Place Grapes Inn, 59, Ropery Lane Kings Arms, 1, Hanover Place Live and Let Live, 6, Gerald Street Salt Grass Inn, 37, Hanover Place Ship Inn, 18, Church Street Beerhouses: Newcastle Arms, Ropery Lane Rowers Arms, 10, Church Street Bottlemakers Arms, 30, Hanover Place Banks of the Wear, 5, Hanover Place Off Licence: 49, Deptford Terrace Thanks again Rob

Does anyone know when the following Deptford Industries came into being, when they closed and who owned them? Ballast Hills Corn Mill Diamond Hall Brick and Tile Yards Deptford Chemical Works Ayre's Quay Brewery Deptford Ironworks Ayre's Quay Ironworks Vulcan Ironworks Deptford Patent Ropery Sunderland Corporation Gasworks ** Matteson and Chapman Cement Manufacturers, Wellington Lane , Deptford Deptford Copperas works THANKS Rob

In a message dated 22/07/2007 12:50:49 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Does anyone have any details of when and who occupied Diamond Hall, _______________________________________________________ The Diamond Hall Estate owned by a Mr. Snowdon The Diamond Hall Bottle Works, 1857-1877, were first owned by Snowdon and Watson. Diamond Hall was at the south end of Lisburn Terrace, adjacent to the Penshaw Branch Railway opposite where the bridge was to St. Luke's Road (now apparently Neville Road) Stan

Thanks very much to Stan and Geoff for sharing their excellent knowledge about the Deptford area. Much appreciated! The 1841 census mentions a "Laings Road" which doesn't seem to appear in later censuses....could this be the later Wellington Lane in Deptford? The same census also mentions a "Depford Lodge" and "Deptford Cottage" on Laings Road....does anyone know more of these? Back also to Wellington Farm which was listed on the 1841 census (at least the Wellington Farm HOUSE was present) Can anyone enlighten me more about this farm, occupants and when it ceased to exist. Was the Ballast Hill Corn Mill part of this farm? Back once more also to the Salt Grass Public House....the building that stands today does anyone know if this is what was 37, Hanover Place and / or 1, Wellington Lane? Finally, if anyone has a copy of Sunderland in the 1850s: A Focus on Deptford and would be willing to email me a scan of the maps therein this would be much appreciated! THANK YOU! Rob [email protected]

In a message dated 22/07/2007 17:42:45 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Does anyone known when the following Deptford Public Houses and Beer Houses opened and closed. These were all listed in Whellans 1894 Directory? _______________________________________________ Hi Rob, That is asking a lot, unless these establishments and dates are listed in the three volumes of "The Old Pubs of Sunderland", and Beer Houses are not, you would have to see the records of the town's Licensing Authorities at the Brewster Sessions Stan

In a message dated 22/07/2007 17:42:45 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: What was the difference between a public house and a beer house? _________________________________________________________ A beer house could only sell beer, a Public house was also licensed to sell wines and spirits Stan

Hello I wonder if anyone may be able to give me some more details about the Deptford area of Sunderland, particularly the following: 1. Old maps show originally the lands of Deptford belonged to "General Aylmer", Rowland Webster, Phillip Laing, John Harrison, Thomas Pemberton, Thomas Hopper. Mr. Snow and Mr. Odgen. Does anyone know who these people were or can give me any biographical details about them? 2. Does anyone have any details of when and who occupied Diamond Hall, Southwick Lodge and Wellington Farm, all of which were in Deptford? When were these built and demolished? Was there a windmill originally on Wellington Farm? 3. Back in 1851 and up until 1881 my ancestors lived at 1, Wellington Lane. Later directories and census material suggests this became the SaltGrass public house. Does anyone know exactly when the pub came into being; were there beer retailers there before? 4. What was the origin of the name "Ayre's Quay" Did it just refer to a small portion of Deptford or was it synonymous with the whole area? Sorry for all the questions, I'm just new to the mailing list, but hope there may be many out there knowledgeable about all this. Any help would be much appreciated! Thanks very much! Rob [email protected]

In a message dated 22/07/2007 14:01:08 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: In a message dated 22/07/2007 12:50:49 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: 1. Old maps show originally the lands of Deptford belonged to "General Aylmer", Rowland Webster, Phillip Laing, John Harrison, Thomas Pemberton, Thomas Hopper. Mr. Snow and Mr. Odgen. Does anyone know who these people were or can give me any biographical details about them? _________________________________________________________ Rowland Webster {I} (1759-1809) Mayor of Stockton who married Mary daughter of Rowland Burdon, founded the world's first rope fac­tory at Deptford in 1794, along with Ralph Hills and John Grimshaw. It became one of the country's major rope-making firms, for almost a century and a half Further to this, the old building is still there, and for the last ?15 years has been a pleasant waterside pub. The thickness of its walls revels the strength required to support the machinery it once contained. Also - Lt-General Arthur Aylmer (d 1831) became Lt-General of the Durham Light Infantry in 1825. He had married Ann Harrison, heiress to the Walworth Estate. He lived at Walworth Castle (now a Hotel) and is buried in Heighington Church. Geoff Nicholson

In a message dated 22/07/2007 12:50:49 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Mr. Odgen ___________________________________________________ A Bernard Ogden was the Senior Freeman of the Corporation of Freemen and Stallingers of the Moor. A stallinger was a stall-keeper, a petty trader who paid to the burgh a small sum for the privilege of setting up his stall in fair or market, also, a person not a freeman who paid a small sum to the corporation for the privilege of carrying on his business for one year. This was a powerful body of men consisting of 12 Freeman and 18 Stallingers, who throughout the eighteenth and first half of the nineteenth century owned the Town Moor. Stan

In a message dated 22/07/2007 12:50:49 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: John Harrison _______________________________________________________________ John Harrison was a Coal Fitter (a broker who conducted the sales between the owner of a coal pit and the coal shipper). For many years the family were agents of the Earl of Scarborough, and had a family home in Whitburn, although they had a grand house at the end of Pann Lane in Sunderland. Stan

In a message dated 22/07/2007 12:50:49 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Thomas Pemberton, _________________________________________________ He would be a member of the powerful Pemberton Family, businessmen and landowners. R.L. Pemberton, of Barnes, headed the company which sank Wearmouth Colliery in 1826. The colliery was originally named Pemberton Main. Stan

In a message dated 22/07/2007 12:50:49 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Phillip Laing, ______________________________________________________ See http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/eng-dur-sunderland/2002-11/1037401056 Stan

In a message dated 22/07/2007 12:50:49 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: 1. Old maps show originally the lands of Deptford belonged to "General Aylmer", Rowland Webster, Phillip Laing, John Harrison, Thomas Pemberton, Thomas Hopper. Mr. Snow and Mr. Odgen. Does anyone know who these people were or can give me any biographical details about them? _________________________________________________________ Rowland Webster {I} (1759-1809) Mayor of Stockton who married Mary daughter of Rowland Burdon, founded the world's first rope fac­tory at Deptford in 1794, along with Ralph Hills and John Grimshaw. It became one of the country's major rope-making firms, for almost a century and a half. His two sons Rowland (II} and Christopher went bankrupt in 1821, but the family retained control, Christopher Maling (1812-1894) and Henry {I} (1815-1882) ran the firm. Christopher who owned Pallion Hall, left an estate of £257,000. Henry {II} (1855-1936) was chairman of the firm until his death. Stan

In a message dated 22/07/2007 12:50:49 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: 4. What was the origin of the name "Ayre's Quay" Did it just refer to a small portion of Deptford or was it synonymous with the whole area? _____________________________________________________________ Ayres Quay was named after Robert Ayres, an enterprising merchant who built a deep water quay there on the river in 1629. Stan

In a message dated 22/07/2007 12:50:49 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: 3. Back in 1851 and up until 1881 my ancestors lived at 1, Wellington Lane. Later directories and census material suggests this became the SaltGrass public house. Does anyone know exactly when the pub came into being; were there beer retailers there before? __________________________________________________________________________ The Saltgrass is still there See http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/sunderland/Testsite/saltgrass.htm It took its name from this part of Deptford that had once been tidal wet land. Stan

Hello,, Any one doing the name Calder ,my problem is one Robert Calder born 1874 in Sunderland . I have just found him and his family in the 1901 census ,he Robert ,his wife Mary and his son Robert If his son Robert had children I would love to hear from them , for quite a number of years I have been looking for this Robert born about 1874 Any information would be gratefully received ,many thanks in advance. Doris

Hello Jill, I have the top of the tree Matthew (born c.1801) & Jane Taylor on a part of my tree. Unfortunately for Paul they are not my blood line in any way, and I have only found them because of my research into Hannah Swan who married into my Thompson shipbuilding family. See: _http://members.cox.net/ghgraham/josephthompson1824.html#wife2_ (http://members.cox.net/ghgraham/josephthompson1824.html#wife2) I have however found the grave of Matthew (a shipwright of 30 Barclay Street, Monkwearmouth) & Jane also children Margaret Isabella & Joseph in Sunderland, and have a photo and a copy of the inscription that I can send to Paul. I also have I also have some details of the descendants taken from census records. I'll be interested in Paul's part as I don't have that line in any detail. As I'll have to send them either as an attachment or post please contact me off list for further information. Regards, Grant White Born Sunderland, now living London, England Always on the lookout for the major shipbuilding families of Wearside.

My Grandfather George Sellars had 2 brothers named Tom and Jim and they lived in 4 Addison St at Hendon.George was drowned at sea in 1942, I believe Jim went to America. I have been given an old Sunderland Year book 1953/4 and Tom Sellars appears to still be living in Addison St and there was one sister living there too, I think her name was Helena.Are there any relatives of Tom Jim or Helena still living in Sunderland or anyone with any details of the family. Regards Ann Hansen (Australia) originally from Hendon

Ive been told that Wild Bill visited Sunderland around 1904 and his show was on the Town Moor. Does anyone have details please. Regards to all from Ann Hansen (Australia)