In a message dated 24/07/2007 21:25:20 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: 1829 Church School opened in Church Street in Deptford, enlarged in 1842 and 1863. 1832 Aylmer family donate land to allow building of a National School at Deptford (extended 20 years later with gift of further land between Australia Street and Neville Street ) I'm really confused regarding this; can you or anyone shed any light? _________________________________________________________________ Hi Rob I can only go off the published directories and various Histories of Sunderland. A visit to Sunderland Local Studies to search their records would probably give more detailed information. According to the 1894 directory the first St. Andrew's National School was built in 1842, which seems to agree with 'enlarged in 1842.' This was apparently the Infants School in Church Street. I wonder if this was the Laing's School The School between Australia Street and Neville Street appears to be the one that was built in 1861. However the 1851 directory says that "there are National Schools" in Deptford. Surprisingly the same directory lists 85 schools in Sunderland, but not a Laing's School. Stan,

Just a thought was the Villa 'pop' factory named after the Villas at Deptford Even my Aussie grandchildren call soft drink pop as we used to do in Sunderland Cheers Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: "ROB SHEPHERD" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 2:08 AM Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] 1. The Villas Deptord - Residence of Dr. Shaw2. Thomas Hopper 3. Laings Workers School > Hello to all > > Does anyone have any details regarding the land owner Thomas Hopper who > owned lands in Deptford in the mid 1800s? > > Also, towards the end of the 1800s / beginning of the 1900s there was a > building known as "The Villas" at 1, Wellington Lane, Deptford occupied by > Dr. Shaw. The 1901 census ennumerator makes specific mention of "The > Villas, > the home of the late Dr. Shaw" in his description of the area. Does anyone > know more about Dr. Shaw or "The Villas?" > > Finally, does anyone know anything of Laings School for his workers > children? Where was this and when did it open? Am I right in thinking its > pupils moved to Simpson Street school when it opened? Were there other > schools in the area pre-1900? > > Thanks very much > > Rob > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.12/910 - Release Date: > 21/07/2007 15:52 > >

Allan - following on from my previous posting, I have had another look in Whellan's Directory for 1856 and have found the following: Errington William, master mariner, 50 Low street, B. Errington Cuthbert, master mariner, 20 South Durham street, B. Errington Elizabeth, Rowland Burdon's Arms Inn, Pann Bank Top, B. Errington Thomas, brass founder, house, Back West Wear street, B. Errington, Willianm (R. Errington & Bros.), brass founder, house, 57 Northumberland street, B. Alan Vickers. __________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband only £7.99 a month for your first 3 months! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/

Thanks very much Stan. Puzzlingly, just in the past few minutes I came across a photocopy I hadn't realised I had from Wards 1861 directory. This lists Deptford as having Laings School (Andrew Greig, Master) but also the National School ( J. Hope, master; Mrs. C. Coulson, mistress) Was it these two schools that would merge? Had Laings School existed before 1861? Any ideas? Rob

Interesting to hear from Alan that Richard Errington was listed as living at DEPTFORD LODGE. Where was this with respect to Deptford HOUSE? Does anyone know also where Deptford COTTAGE was? Rob

Allan - Whellan's Directory of Co Durham, 1856 has in the following: Errington Richard ( R. Errington, jun. & Brothers), ho. Deptford Lodge B. Errington Richard, jun. & Brothers, brass-founders, &c. Ayre's Quay, and Pann Bank Top, B. Also listed is: Errington Richard, master mariner, 139 Coronation street, B. and then: Brass Founders & Finishers Errington Richard, jun, and Brothers, Ayre's Quay, and Pann Bant Top B. (B = Bishopwearmouth). Alan Vickers. __________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband only £7.99 a month for your first 3 months! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/

Hi Allan There is a Richard Errington Jnr and Brothers listed in the section Tinmen and Braziers in the 1855 Slaters Commercial Directory of Durham, Northumberland and Yorkshire residing at Ayres Quay in Deptford. See www.historicaldirectories.org Rob

Hello All Would anybody have any details of the above foundry they were in Sunderland around 1850 as I think Richard Errington may have been a Relative. Thanks Allan Robson

Hello to all Does anyone have any details regarding the land owner Thomas Hopper who owned lands in Deptford in the mid 1800s? Also, towards the end of the 1800s / beginning of the 1900s there was a building known as "The Villas" at 1, Wellington Lane, Deptford occupied by Dr. Shaw. The 1901 census ennumerator makes specific mention of "The Villas, the home of the late Dr. Shaw" in his description of the area. Does anyone know more about Dr. Shaw or "The Villas?" Finally, does anyone know anything of Laings School for his workers children? Where was this and when did it open? Am I right in thinking its pupils moved to Simpson Street school when it opened? Were there other schools in the area pre-1900? Thanks very much Rob

In a message dated 24/07/2007 20:41:30 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: This lists Deptford as having Laings School (Andrew Greig, Master) but also the National School ( J. Hope, master; Mrs. C. Coulson, mistress) Was it these two schools that would merge? _____________________________________________________ Hi Rob, It is possible that Laings had a separate works school, but he did build the Church of England School. Is it possible to send me a scan of the photocopy? Stan

In a message dated 24/07/2007 20:34:59 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Interesting to hear from Alan that Richard Errington was listed as living at DEPTFORD LODGE. Where was this with respect to Deptford HOUSE? Does anyone know also where Deptford COTTAGE was? ______________________________________________________ There was a discussion on the list last year about Deptford Hall Both Deptford House and Deptford Hall are shown in the 1841 Census. Deptford House is the home of James and Anne Laing with four servants. Deptford Hall is in multiple occupation with five families, three shipwrights and two labourers. Deptford Hall is marked on the 1857 map, it is 800 yards to the west of Deptford House, about halfway between Lisburn Terrace and the River. See _http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/eng-dur-sunderland/2006-11/1164128543_ (http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/eng-dur-sunderland/2006-11/1164128543) Stan

In a message dated 24/07/2007 19:48:15 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Would anybody have any details of the above foundry they were in Sunderland around 1850 as I think Richard Errington may have been a Relative. ____________________________________________________________________ 1851 England Census Richard Errington Age :24 (1827) born:Bishop Wearmouth, Durham, Street address: 8 William Street Occupation: Brass Finisher Elizabeth Errington 26 wife Margaret Errington 1 daughter HO107; Piece: 2395; Folio: 115; Page: 10; Stan

In a message dated 24/07/2007 20:22:59 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: See www.historicaldirectories.org ________________________________________________ Hi Rob, If you know about www.historicaldirectories.org they can answer some of your questions. Stan

In a message dated 24/07/2007 17:39:02 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Finally, does anyone know anything of Laings School for his workers children? Where was this and when did it open? _________________________________________________________________ Many Sunderland local industrialists and landowners provided sites for school buildings, and Laings actually built a Church of England School in Ayres Quay in 1861. It was St. Andrew's National School in Neville Street for 581 children. The pupils did not move to Simpson Street School which was built in 1884 as a Board School. I hope that this helps? Stan

In a message dated 24/07/2007 17:39:02 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Were there other schools in the area pre-1900? __________________________________________________________________ To see what schools there were go to Page 870 of the 1894 Directory at http://www.tomorrows-history.com/ItemParts.asp?ItemNumber=0001&Col_ID=179 Stan

In looking for one of my relatives, I found Susannah Clazey, school teacher, living in Deptford in 1881 UK Census. She is obviously in a boarding house. Might she have been at one of the two schools referred to in previous posts? Thanks. Sharon ____________________________________________________________________________________ Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos & more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC

I posted this to the list Tue, 30 Mar 2004 There were many different temperance movements in Sunderland in the nineteenth century. These included the British Women's Temperance Association, the Sons of Temperance, the Band of Hope, the Temperance Society, the Church of England Temperance Society and the North of England Temperance Society. Sunderland Band of Hope was formed in 1881, and on 28th July 1894 thousands of children from the 33 Band of Hope branches marched from Holmeside via Stockton Road to Lee's Field at Ryhope. By 1897 the Band of Hope had a nation-wide membership of 3,200,000 children. Thomas William Backhouse (1842-1920), who bequeathed Ashbourne House and gardens (Backhouse Park) to the town, was one of the influential leaders of the Temperance movement. Stan

Hi Susan, There was a Sunderland United Temperance Society, part of the nation wide movement. Many prominent Sunderland business men were strong supporters. The Band of Hope was the children's movement. Their pledge was; 'I promise by Divine Assistance to abstain from all INTOXICATING LIQUORS and to discountenance all the causes and practices of Intemperance.' The main thrust of the temperance movement was aimed at children See http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/REtemperance.htm and http://www.rls.org.uk/database/record.php?usi=000-000-001-401-L Stan

I continue to review letters sent back and forth between Sunderland, UK to Ontario, Canada written by George Bell to his son Richard Bell. In one letter dated Oct. 1852, Richard pleads with his father back in Sunderland, "Dear Father for the comfort of home as well as preserving My Life Let Me know you have Signed the temperance Pledge". Could someone explain which temperance movement this was, what 'signing the temperance Pledge' meant and any other information you might have? Thanks, Susan.

In a message dated 22/07/2007 22:40:01 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: While we are taking about this area, do you have any info on Shorts Quay, Ditchburn Terrace, Pallion? __________________________________________ Hi Jan, Not sure what information you want? The shipyard was that of Short Brothers Ltd. This medium-sized yard was known as the 'local' yard because it built more ships for local ownership than any other in Sunderland. It was founded in 1850 at Hylton by George Short, and transferred down-river in 1869 to Pallion to a site beside Pallion Hall. Iron construction was adopted at this time with the first iron ship being High Stretfield of 1871 for J.S. Barwick of Sunderland. The yard became known as Short Brothers in 1871. The last ship to be launched was the bulk carrier mv 'Carlton' on the 17 October 1963, and after the handover in January 1964 the remaining 300 workers were discharged. Steel & Co. purchased about 12 acres of the site to extend the crane manufacturing capacity of their Crown Works. See http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/eng-dur-sunderland/2006-09/1159045919 for more details Stan