Thanks to Stan for his further thoughts and to Alan for information on the Sans Street Mission. The street numbering still seems to follow no particular rule, although I agree with Geoff regarding even and odd numbering which is certainly a feature of later streets. Looking at Sans Street, on the east side was The Ship Inn at number 1; a map I have from 1898 shows a public house which Corder lists as the Wheatsheaf at number 7, between the two pubs are four dwellings on this map; this wouldn't fit with consecutive numbering (not enough) but would fit with odd numbers as I'm told my ancestors shop at number 5 was double fronted, and if the shop next door at number 3 was similarly double fronted that would explain the number of dwellings. Does anyone have any photos of Sans Street in any books or otherwise they would be able to scan for me? Any would be much appreciated Thanks Rob [email protected]

Further to Stan's posting regarding Sans Street Mission, the Baptists opened theitr new Meeting House in Sans Street on 25th December, 1798. Three of the pastors were buried in a burial ground behind the chapel, these are believed to be Mr Bigg (minister from 1798 - 1812, who died in 1812), Mr Alexander Wilson ( minister from 1812 - 1846, who died whilst in office), Mr Josiah Cormack (ministered as co-pastor from 1821 - 1843 in which year he died). At a church meeting held on 25th February 1833 it was resolved that the burial ground should be used for all members of the Church and their children dying in infancy or remaining unmarried at home with them, except those dying under the influence of any pestilential disease. The chapel was rebuilt in 1853 and a school room was added at a later period over a portion of the burying ground. In 1882 the buildings came into the possession of St Thomas' Parish and were used for some years a s a Mission Hall. They were afterwards purchased by Mr H W Surtees, brassfounder following which the interior of the main building was dismantled. The schoolroom was used in connectionj with Mr Surtees works. Alan Vickers. __________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband only £7.99 a month for your first 3 months! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/

In a message dated 26/08/2007 19:17:36 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Thanks to Stan for his further thoughts and to Alan for information on the Sans Street Mission. _______________________________________________________________ The Baptist Chapel was NOT the Sans Street Mission, this chapel was between numbers 39 and 43 Sans Street. The Sans Street Mission was actually on High Street West near the corner of Sans Street. If you go to http://aesica.dur.ac.uk/pip/singlezoom.asp?img=p2650&ref1=2415 the Baptist Chapel is M, and the Wesleyan Chapel is L. Stan

Thanks to Stan and Geoff for their helpful information. Street numbering can still be confusing....looking recently at a directory for High Street East which began at Sans Street, the directory divided the street into north and south sides, and both sides seemed to have both odd and even numbers! And how about the half numbers? I've often seen the likes of number 4, and number 4 1/2; did this mean a small adjacent dwelling, or part of the main dwelling, or perhaps a dwelling to the rear of the main? Incidentally, still talking about Sans Street does anyone know more about the Sans Street Mission? Thanks Rob

In a message dated 26/08/2007 09:57:11 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Incidentally, still talking about Sans Street does anyone know more about the Sans Street Mission? __________________________________________________________ Hi Rob, Sans Street Mission was a Wesleyan Methodist Chapel at the corner of High Street and Sans Street. It was built in 1793 and enlarged in 1809 and 1827. It became a cinema, Studios One & Two, in 1969, renamed Fairworld in 1977, and then the Eros Cinema Club in 1981, now demolished. Stan

In a message dated 26/08/2007 09:57:11 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Street numbering can still be confusing....looking recently at a directory for High Street East which began at Sans Street, the directory divided the street into north and south sides, and both sides seemed to have both odd and even numbers! ____________________________________________________ Hi Rob, The streets were not numbered with odd on one side and even on the other. The numbers ran consecutively down one side and then up the other. High Street East started at Sans Street with Number 1 on the south side, then ran east to Barrack Street upto 109? then the numbering continued west on the north side to Russell Street and number 209?. Half numbers were usually a household in the same building, with a separate entrance, as opposed to a tenement where the different households had one entrance. Stan Stan

Hello I wonder if anyone can help with an enquiry about Sans Street off High Street East in Sunderland. My great-grandparents had a shop there at number 5 around the time of the First World War. I'm trying to identify this on a map but not sure how the street was numbered, and if number 5 was on the east or the west. Anyone any ideas? Thanks Rob

In a message dated 25/08/2007 14:40:33 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: not sure how the street was numbered, I'm sure I have been told that the streets were numbered for the convenience of the postman, hence the low numbers are at the end of the street which is nearest to the Post Office, and as one goes up a street from the lower numbers to the higher, the odd numbers are on the left and the even ones are on the right. No doubt local conditions have caused that not to be applied everywhere (and the location of the Post Office may have changed in some towns), but I find that it does apoply in most cases, even today. Stan's identification does seem to fit it. Geoff Nicholson

Hi Rob, Number 5 Sans Street was on the East side at the High Street End. Stan

Hi Mark, The Gibson's Alms Houses (aka Mowbray Almshouses), are situated in Church Lane, The Green, Bishopwearmouth. They were founded by the will of Jane Gibson, the widow of a prominent merchant, in 1725, for the reception of "twelve decayed old women who have been in better circumstances", and were originally known as the "Hospital House". The houses were rebuilt in 1863 for Elizabeth Gray Mowbray, after the Mowbray family inherited responsibility for their administration, and extensively renovated in 1983. In 1901 the buildings held twelve females and four males, provided for out of the endowments. They are listed buildings and you can see a photo at http://tinyurl.com/ysdwko Stan

Go to http://aesica.dur.ac.uk/pip/singlezoom.asp?img=p1666&ref1=1813 if you zoom in Golden Alley is the seventh street west of the area marked 'Intended Market' Stan

Derek - Golden Alley was off 30 High Street East. Alan Vickers. __________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband only £7.99 a month for your first 3 months! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/

Can anyone tell me where Golden Alley was in Sunderland in the 1840's? I came across some ancestors living there in an early census. Regards Derek

> Hi Malcolm > Go to > www.sunderland.gov.uk/pages/registrars/default.asp > > You will find that Alice Home married Archibald Mordey > Regards > George

Hi, Thanks again Heather for your help. The parents listed on my g/mother's cert. are Alexander HOME & Margaret RUTTER. Regards, Malcolm (Campbell) Heather Punshon wrote: > Malcolm > If you have the birth certificate for your grandmother Catherine, it > will give the names of her parents > Please post these names and then we can find your family on the census > in 1881, 1891 and 1901. > By the way, I used the CDs for the 1881 census, but the Family Search > online should give you the same results. > > For the FREEBMD site > Go to marriages. > When you find the person you are interested in - in this case, Alice > HOME in the March Quarter of 1905 in Sunderland. Click on the page > reference number 833, and it gives you the names of the other three > people on the same page. This tells you that Alice married either > Edward FAIRLEY or Archibald MORDEY. > >

Hi, Thanks to Chris & Heather for their asst.. Heather, I found Catherine & Alice using FREEBMD, but, I couldn't see any mention of a possible spouse (Archibald MORDEY), where did you see this, also; the references in the 1881 census, when I use the census in the LDS I don't come up with the same as you. I would like t know how to use the info. that is on line so, I don't have to get other's to give me info. that I myself can get. I have a birth cert. for my g/mother showing her dob as Jan.1887, so, I am presuming her sisters were also born in the 1800's. Thank's again for your kind asst.. Regards, Malcolm Campbell Heather Punshon wrote: > Malcolm > > You don't even give an approximate date > > but there is a registration for an Alice HOME in Sunderland in June > 1881 [10a 583] and another in June 1883 > [10a 649] > Catherine Melrose HOME reg in Sunderland Mar 1887 10a 503 > > In Mar 1905 Alice HOME married in Sunderland 10a 833 > One possible spouse is Archibald MORDEY > > Hope this helps - all this information is available for free on > FREEBMD at > http://freebmd.rootsweb.com > > > Once you have these birth certificates , write back with the name of > the father / and mother and it will be easier to find them on the > census records > > for example - here is one couple in Sunderland in 1881 but there are a > few others > > 1881 CENSUS > 20 Hawthorn St So Bishopwearmouth, Durham, England > RG11 Piece 4988 Folio 65 Page 19 > William Chas. HOME M 38 M Oswestry, Wales Head > Handicap: Deaf Auctioneers Clerk > Emma HOME M 35 F Sunderland, Durham, England Wife > > Here's another!!! interesting - these two deaf fellows appear to be > brothers > > 1881 CENSUS > 7 Broxbourne Terr Bishopwearmouth, Durham, England > RG11 Piece 4988 Folio 78 Page 46 > > Edward HOME M 35 M Leansillan Oswestry, Wales Head > Handicap: Deaf Bank Accountant > Jane Ann W. HOME M 29 F Sunderland, Durham, England Wife > John Edw. HOME 11 M Sunderland, Durham, England Son > Scholar > Willm. Chas. HOME 10 M Sunderland, Durham, England > Son Scholar > Henrietta HOME 8 F Sunderland, Durham, England Daur > Scholar > Florence HOME 6 F Sunderland, Durham, England Daur > Scholar > Sarah Ann BOOKER U 19 F Sunderland, Durham, England > Servt Domestic Servant > > Heather > Saskatoon, Canada >

Malcolm If you have the birth certificate for your grandmother Catherine, it will give the names of her parents Please post these names and then we can find your family on the census in 1881, 1891 and 1901. By the way, I used the CDs for the 1881 census, but the Family Search online should give you the same results. For the FREEBMD site Go to marriages. When you find the person you are interested in - in this case, Alice HOME in the March Quarter of 1905 in Sunderland. Click on the page reference number 833, and it gives you the names of the other three people on the same page. This tells you that Alice married either Edward FAIRLEY or Archibald MORDEY. Hope this helps Heather Malcolm Campbell wrote: > Hi, > > Thanks to Chris & Heather for their asst.. Heather, I found Catherine > & Alice using FREEBMD, but, I couldn't see any mention of a possible > spouse (Archibald MORDEY), where did you see this, also; > the references in the 1881 census, when I use the census in the LDS I > don't come up with the same as you. I would like t know how to use the > info. that is on line so, I don't have to get other's to give me info. > that I myself can get. > I have a birth cert. for my g/mother showing her dob as Jan.1887, so, > I am presuming her sisters were also born in the 1800's. Thank's again > for your kind asst.. > > Regards, Malcolm Campbell > > Heather Punshon wrote: >> Malcolm >> >> You don't even give an approximate date >> >> but there is a registration for an Alice HOME in Sunderland in June >> 1881 [10a 583] and another in June 1883 >> [10a 649] >> Catherine Melrose HOME reg in Sunderland Mar 1887 10a 503 >> >> In Mar 1905 Alice HOME married in Sunderland 10a 833 >> One possible spouse is Archibald MORDEY >> >> Hope this helps - all this information is available for free on >> FREEBMD at >> http://freebmd.rootsweb.com >> >> >> Once you have these birth certificates , write back with the name of >> the father / and mother and it will be easier to find them on the >> census records >> >> for example - here is one couple in Sunderland in 1881 but there are >> a few others >> >> 1881 CENSUS >> 20 Hawthorn St So Bishopwearmouth, Durham, England >> RG11 Piece 4988 Folio 65 Page 19 >> William Chas. HOME M 38 M Oswestry, Wales Head >> Handicap: Deaf Auctioneers Clerk >> Emma HOME M 35 F Sunderland, Durham, England Wife >> >> Here's another!!! interesting - these two deaf fellows appear to be >> brothers >> >> 1881 CENSUS >> 7 Broxbourne Terr Bishopwearmouth, Durham, England >> RG11 Piece 4988 Folio 78 Page 46 >> >> Edward HOME M 35 M Leansillan Oswestry, Wales Head >> Handicap: Deaf Bank Accountant >> Jane Ann W. HOME M 29 F Sunderland, Durham, England Wife >> John Edw. HOME 11 M Sunderland, Durham, England Son >> Scholar >> Willm. Chas. HOME 10 M Sunderland, Durham, England >> Son Scholar >> Henrietta HOME 8 F Sunderland, Durham, England Daur >> Scholar >> Florence HOME 6 F Sunderland, Durham, England Daur >> Scholar >> Sarah Ann BOOKER U 19 F Sunderland, Durham, England >> Servt Domestic Servant >> >> Heather >> Saskatoon, Canada >> > >

Hello, Can anyone tell me anything about the Gibson Alms Houses in Bishopwearmouth please? My ancestor Henry MYERS was there in 1901. His step father was a William GIBSON born in Monkwearmouth in 1804 and I wondered if there was any connection. Thanks, Mark Etheridge.

Hi, On my paternal side, my g/mother was Catherine Melrose HOME, one of her sisters was Alice. What Alice's dob was I'm not sure, she was married to a Archie MORLEY, MORDY (or something like that), when & where I don't know, the last I knew of them (about 60yrs, ago) they lived near Carlisle. I have recently started my tree, so, any info. anyone can send me, such as Alices dob, her marr.date & where, & Archies correct surname would be greatly appreciated. And anywhere I can find this info. myself, so, I wouldn't have to bother people, I have tried looking up some of my descendants on the 1881 census on family search (LDS), but can't find any relatives, so must be doing something wrong, since all my surnames are common in that area. thanks for any help. Regards, Malcolm Campbell, London,Ontario,Canada

sirs, can i post a message, for information of my late uncle samuel dunn who was born in 1905 in port talbot, s.wales. u, mothers name annie (sophia) dunn nee lewis, he had 3 other brothers, including my dad Eli, the family moved to manchester uk, in the 1050's then samuel and his wife divorced I believe, he later moved to sunderland area of the north east, uk he lived with a woman and they had children, dont know his new relationships name or the childrens names, this is the information I want to find out?