Thank you, Alan. Much appreciated. Mary O

Mary - from Ward's Directory 1899 - 1900: Lawton Street Begins at Robinson ter 1 Brough J (Mrs) grocer Alan Vickers. __________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband only £7.99 a month for your first 3 months! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/

Alan, I wonder if you could kindly tell me if Ward's Directory 1899-1900 shows a grocer's shop at 1 Lawton Street and who was its proprietor? Mary Orton

Ian - Wards Directory 1899 - 1900 list the following: Flag Lane begins at 23 High St. East 8 Stevens R (shopkeeper) 9 Grant M (Mrs) Sunderland Parish Mission Chapel Sunderland Parish Mission Sunday School 17 Leray L caretaker 25 Hold E A (Mrs) clothes dlr 27 Buston T innkeeper 29 Little J joiner Alan Vickers. __________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband only £7.99 a month for your first 3 months! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/

In a message dated 28/08/2007 17:14:11 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: According to 'Lanes, Alleys and Quays of old Sunderland' - an article by C B Walker in Sunderland's History 5, the journal of Sunderland Antiquarian Society - Sans Close was Upper Sans Street. ___________________________________________________________ This is confirmed in the 1851 Directory where Sans Close is off Borough Road. In the 1858 Directory it is renamed Upper Sans Street, running from Coronation Street to Borough Road Stan

Thanks for the replies from Alan Vickers and Stan Mapstone re my query on Golden Alley. Derek

While we are on the subject of missions, what do you learned gentlemen (and ladies) know about the Flag Lane mission. In the Kellys directory 1890 there is an entry for my GGG Grandfather John Hunter, greengrocer at number 9 Flag Lane and directly underneath it is the Parish Mission Chapel. I wonder if the greengrocery was actually in the mission or is it just the next entry. Regards Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 8:04 AM Subject: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Digest, Vol 2, Issue 171 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Sans Street and Street Numbers ([email protected]) > 2. Sans Street Mission ([email protected]) > 3. North Eastern Reformatory and Stannington burials. (Mary) > 4. Re: North Eastern Reformatory and Stannington burials. > ([email protected]) > 5. Re: Sans Street Mission ([email protected]) > 6. Re: Sans Street Mission ([email protected]) > 7. Fw: Sans Street Mission (Pat & Derek) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 08:29:00 +0100 (GMT+01:00) > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Sans Street and Street Numbers > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset="UTF-8" > > > My sincere apologies for confusing two chapels. > > > However, I now have a question: > > > As the mission chapel was on High Street West, how did it come to be > known as Sans Street Mission? This must have been confusing when, for > some years, there was another mission chapel on Sans Street itself. > > > I have had a look at Ward's Directory for 1899 - 1900 where there are > the following entries: > > > High Street West - South Side > > 162 Caslaw, Hayter & Tate, outfitters > Wesleyan Methodist Chapel > 166 Sans Street Mission. > > > Sans Street > > 38 Surtees (W & H) & Co Brassfounders > > The St. Thomas, Mission had closed by then. > > Alan Vickers. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Tiscali Broadband only ?7.99 a month for your first 3 months! > http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 10:45:34 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Sans Street Mission > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > In a message dated 27/08/2007 08:30:17 GMT Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > As the mission chapel was on High Street West, how did it come to be > known as Sans Street Mission? This must have been confusing when, for > some years, there was another mission chapel on Sans Street itself. > ___________________________________________________________ > > Hi Alan, > There is some error in the various publications about the "Sans Street > Mission". In Tom Corfe's 'History of Sunderland' he states "The first > Wesleyan > Chapel, opened in Numbers Garth in 1759, was moved to Sans Street in > 1793" > In Glen L. Dodds "A History of Sunderland" he states "In 1759 he opened > Sunderland's first Methodist Chapel in Numbers Garth, off High Street. > This in > turn was replaced by an elegant chapel built in Sans Street in 1793..." > Both these entries are incorrect. > White's 1827 Directory has "The Wesleyan Methodist Chapel at the foot of > Sans Street was built in 1791, enlarged in 1809 and 1824, ... > accommodates > 2,500..." > The Baptist Chapel was at 41 Sans Street, on the west side. In the 1890 > directory it was the Gospel Mission Hall, and the Wesleyan Chapel was on > the > south side of High Street West next to number 162 which was at the corner > of Sans > Street. > In "Images of Wearside" there is a full page 1937 photo entitled > (wrongly) > "The Wesleyan Chapel in Sans Street, Sunderland known as Sans Street > Mission. > Built in 1793 and enlarged in 1807, it could accommodate about 2,000 > people". > However from the photographs in "Sunderland East End Revisited" and "A > Century of Sunderland Cinemas" the chapel is obviously on High Street > West. One > photograph is taken from the north side of the street looking South East > and > you can clearly see the three tower blocks in the background. > > There is no doubt that the Chapel was on High Street West, but I don't > know > why it was called the "Sans Street Mission" > > > > Stan > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 16:12:09 +0100 > From: "Mary" <[email protected]> > Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] North Eastern Reformatory and > Stannington burials. > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > dear Listers, > I was recently reading documents at Woodhorn about this institution where > a great great uncle David Allan worked as a shoemaker from 1901- 1906 when > he died from rheumatic fever. > Two questions which you may be able to help me with. > 1. Are the old buildings on the site of what is now Netherton Park > Correctional school the remains of the Reformatory or was it at the other > site in Stannington owned by the CC which I think was a hospital site? Are > the adjacent farm buildings now holiday lets(I think) part of the > Reformatory farm? > 2. David was buried at Stannington on the 3rd Jan. 1906. I doubt that > there would be a stone but would it be possible to find out where his plot > is? > I'm sure someone will know the answers. Incidently the records for this > institution are fascinating. It seemed very enlightened and some of the > staff seemed more trouble than the lads. They seemed to enjoy an 85% > "redemption" rate which would be the envy of modern probation services. > Best wishes, > mary > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 11:48:27 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] North Eastern Reformatory and > Stannington burials. > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > Hi Mary, > Stannington is in Northumberland and is not associated with Sunderland. > You > would be better posting to the Northumbria list > > Stan > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 12:31:15 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Sans Street Mission > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > While I wouldn't dream of disagreeing with any of the statements made so > far, I would draw the attention of those interested to "Antiquities of > Sunderland" Vol XXVII (1977-79), page 79, where, in an article by C B > Walker entitled > "The East End of Sunderland", the subject of an illustrated lecture given > by > him on 7 December 1976, it states: > > "SANS STREET. Former "Back Lonnin", a name also applied to Coronation > Street. The Parish Boundary ran up the middle of the Street. Sans Close > was > dated 1841 but the term was used for land hereabouts as early as 1694. > The > name probably arose from the nature of the land, which is almost pure > sand. > BAPTIST CHAPEL. 1798. This can still be seen incorporated into the > wall > of a furniture factory. J D Todd's printing works have been there since > the > 1860s. > STAR MUSIC HALL opened in 1885 was the last of the small theatres in > the > town and was never economic. It is now a garage, but its original > purpose > can still be traced both externally and internally. This occupies the > site of > Bowling Green House, shown on Raine's Map, and was at one time used as > the > Dispensary - forerunner of the Infirmary." > > I am not sure what is intended by the reference to J D Todd's printing > works. That is, whether is was on the site of the Baptist Chapel (but > surely > that was the furniture factory) or whether, and probably, it was > elsewhere in > the street. > > I don't think Raine's map (the "Eye-Plan") has yet been mentioned in > this context, probably because it is usually dated as 1785-90, a little > early > for us. On it, Sans Street is called "Back Lane" and seems to have > comprised > only five houses - or five buildings, anyway: some may have been in > multi-occupation. None have been given any mark of their nature. They > are all on the > east side of the north end of the street. The Bowling Green House is > clearly > shown on the west side of the street, near its southern end, as is the > Bowling Green itself. > > Geoff Nicholson > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 27 Aug 2007 14:18:52 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Sans Street Mission > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > In a message dated 27/08/2007 17:37:12 GMT Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > STAR MUSIC HALL opened in 1885 was the last of the small theatres in the > town and was never economic. It is now a garage, but its original > purpose > hi can still be traced both externally and internally. > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Hi Geoff, > In a "Century of Sunderland Cinemas" by Albert Anderson he has a chapter > on > the Star Music Hall. In 1857 the building at Number 2 Upper Sans Street, > (which was to the south of Coronation Street), was opened as the Assembly > Rooms. > On 26th. December 1882 it was opened as the Star Music Hall by a Signor > Durland (aka Rudland). On Saturday 16th August 1883 it was badly damaged > by fire. > It was later put into use as Salvation Army Barracks until 1906, when it > was > re-opened as the Pavilion Cinema on 11th February 1907. It was later > renamed > the Scala and closed down in 1924. In 1930 it was purchased by Charles > Jolly > for his motor garage. It was subsequently demolished to make way for the > new > road. > Stan > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 07:01:16 +0930 > From: "Pat & Derek" <[email protected]> > Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Fw: Sans Street Mission > To: "Sunderland List" <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Stan and list > Would the book you mention "Century of Sunderland Cinemas" be available > My Grandfather worked at the Empire as either a stage hand or > manager -have > never been able to source which - he was a Sawyer by trade > He was Stage Manager at the Boro Theatre Shields - I have small business > card to that effect but I would love to be able to fit together more > pieces about the Empire > There is a painting of the Empire with a man in the foreground in his suit > and cap -again don't know who the painting is by - but my Mum was adamant > the man in the foreground is her father > I am planning a trip 'home ' in January when Mum has her 100th birthday > and > intend to have a day at the Sunderland library -could advice any > particular > books other than the one mentioned that might help me look into the > history > of the Empire > Cheers Pat > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 3:48 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Sans Street Mission > > >> In a message dated 27/08/2007 17:37:12 GMT Daylight Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> STAR MUSIC HALL opened in 1885 was the last of the small theatres in the >> town and was never economic. It is now a garage, but its original >> purpose >> hi can still be traced both externally and internally. >> >> ___________________________________________________________________ >> >> Hi Geoff, >> In a "Century of Sunderland Cinemas" by Albert Anderson he has a chapter >> on >> the Star Music Hall. In 1857 the building at Number 2 Upper Sans Street, >> (which was to the south of Coronation Street), was opened as the >> Assembly >> Rooms. >> On 26th. December 1882 it was opened as the Star Music Hall by a Signor >> Durland (aka Rudland). On Saturday 16th August 1883 it was badly damaged >> by fire. >> It was later put into use as Salvation Army Barracks until 1906, when it >> was >> re-opened as the Pavilion Cinema on 11th February 1907. It was later >> renamed >> the Scala and closed down in 1924. In 1930 it was purchased by Charles >> Jolly >> for his motor garage. It was subsequently demolished to make way for the >> new >> road. >> Stan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.8/973 - Release Date: >> 25/08/2007 >> 17:00 >> >> > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Digest, Vol 2, Issue 171 > ************************************************** >

In a message dated 28/08/2007 19:47:00 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: the Parish Mission Chapel _________________________________________ It was originally a Primitive Methodist Chapel built in 1823. Stan

In a message dated 28/08/2007 19:47:00 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I wonder if the greengrocery was actually in the mission or is it just the next entry. ________________________________________________________________________ Hi Ian, It is just the next entry. In Directories not all addresses are given, those of private residences are not usually listed. For example in 1890 only numbers 9, 24, 27 and 29 Flag Lane are listed, whereas in the 1901 census the numbers go up to 47. One result of this, worth remembering, is that a street is not listed in a directory if there are no entries for that street. Stan

According to 'Lanes, Alleys and Quays of old Sunderland' - an article by C B Walker in Sunderland's History 5, the journal of Sunderland Antiquarian Society - Sans Close was Upper Sans Street. Alan Vickers. __________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband only £7.99 a month for your first 3 months! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/

Can anyone tell me which part of Sans Street (Sans Street, Upper Sans Street or Sans Street South) was also referred to as Sans Close? I have seen an old photograph which shows an archway over a narrow alleyway, stating "Sans Close" (I think it says 1843) This to my mind is an alleyway leading onto Sans Close, but I am wondering where this would be. On the Pictures In Print website http://aesica.dur.ac.uk/pip/singlezoom.asp?img=p2357&ref1=2228 there is a map from around this time. On it the only alleyways I can see are connecting Sans Street (east side) with Cross Place and also leading from Back Sans Street to some properties on Sans Street and thence the street. There doesn't seem to be any alleyways on Upper Sans Street, and what became South Sans Street doesn't seem to have been built. Similarly on Thomas Robsons Map of 1850 http://aesica.dur.ac.uk/pip/singlezoom.asp?img=p2381&ref1=2252 However, I was lead to believe than Sans Close referred to the lands south of Coronation Street (ie Upper and South Sans Street) Can anyone clarify this further? Could it also be that the Sans Street Mission mnay have originally been the Sans Close Mission and so named because it was built on lands originally known as Sans Close?? Thanks Rob

Hello Mary For more information about the NE Reformatory go to http://communities.northumberland.gov.uk and enter Stannington and Netherton in the search box. There are photographs of the Reformatory and Reformatory Farm together with maps. The reformatory was situated to the North West of Stannington close to the railway lines. Look on Google Earth and you can see an aerial photograph of the area today; comparing this with maps of the reformatory on the communities.northumberland.gov.uk site the only building that perhaps is still remaining is the long horizontal building to the north of the plot. *Northumberland Reformatory School for Boys * Established for the Counties of Durham and Northumberland, is at Stannington, near Morpeth. Boys are now received from other Counties. There are now (1894) 220 Boys in the school, who farm 500 acres of land and manufacture agricultural implements, and are taught other useful trades.Robert Middlemiss, Superintendent Robert Robey, Secretary *Source: Kelly's Directory 1894 * This is some information I copied from http://www.missing-ancestors.com/newcastle%20north-east%20reform%20morpeth%20info.htm **<http://www.missing-ancestors.com/newcastle%20north-east%20reform%20morpeth%20info.htm> ** *NEWCASTLE (later) NORTH-EASTERN REFORMATORY SCHOOL FOR BOYS, NETHERTON, NR. MORPETH, NORTHUMBERLAND.* Founded in 1853? and certified 5th November 1854.Inaugurated by R.B. Sanderson and Hans Hamilton. Certified at new site 5th June 1857 for 100 boys. Removed to Netherton in 1859 and certified in 1860. Re-certified June 1891 for 210 boys and temporarily re-certified in July 1917 for 220 boys. Was again re-certified in 1924 for 150 boys. Became the *NETHERTON TRAINING APPROVED SCHOOL* from 1933 and closed in the late 1970s.Thebuildings was also used as an equestrian centre and later, in 1982 an assessment centre. Captain O'Brian was connected with the foundation of the school. The Newcastle premises comprised of a block of poor cottages. The new premises were large and well built divided into four wards. *Brian Pears writing on Rootsweb stated:* "I don't know anything about the place as a reformatory, but I can tell you what subsequently happened to the place. Along with all reform schools, the North Eastern Reformatory subsequently became (in the 1920s?) a "Home Office Approved School" (a penal institution for children) called Netherton Park. Following the passing of the "Children and Young Person's Act" of 1969, custodial provision for children went out of fashion and on 1 Oct 1973 Netherton Park Approved School became Netherton Park Community Home With Education run by Northumberland County Council. But in 1977 all but 15 acres of Netherton Park was sold and the money was used to build a new "Observation and Assessment Centre" with four 10-bed units for boys and girls - an Approved School in all but name. And in 1988, following the realisation that they did actually need to imprison some youngsters, they built a "Secure Unit" there too.And that's how it remains to this day under the name of Netherton Park Assessment Centre - performing essentially the same service as the North East Reformatory did 120 years ago (but I'm sure that those running the place would have apoplexy if I said that to them)." Hope this is helpful. Did you uncover any additional information about the Reformatory that you could share? Regards, Rob

Hi Stan and list Would the book you mention "Century of Sunderland Cinemas" be available My Grandfather worked at the Empire as either a stage hand or manager -have never been able to source which - he was a Sawyer by trade He was Stage Manager at the Boro Theatre Shields - I have small business card to that effect but I would love to be able to fit together more pieces about the Empire There is a painting of the Empire with a man in the foreground in his suit and cap -again don't know who the painting is by - but my Mum was adamant the man in the foreground is her father I am planning a trip 'home ' in January when Mum has her 100th birthday and intend to have a day at the Sunderland library -could advice any particular books other than the one mentioned that might help me look into the history of the Empire Cheers Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 3:48 AM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Sans Street Mission > In a message dated 27/08/2007 17:37:12 GMT Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > STAR MUSIC HALL opened in 1885 was the last of the small theatres in the > town and was never economic. It is now a garage, but its original > purpose > hi can still be traced both externally and internally. > > ___________________________________________________________________ > > Hi Geoff, > In a "Century of Sunderland Cinemas" by Albert Anderson he has a chapter > on > the Star Music Hall. In 1857 the building at Number 2 Upper Sans Street, > (which was to the south of Coronation Street), was opened as the Assembly > Rooms. > On 26th. December 1882 it was opened as the Star Music Hall by a Signor > Durland (aka Rudland). On Saturday 16th August 1883 it was badly damaged > by fire. > It was later put into use as Salvation Army Barracks until 1906, when it > was > re-opened as the Pavilion Cinema on 11th February 1907. It was later > renamed > the Scala and closed down in 1924. In 1930 it was purchased by Charles > Jolly > for his motor garage. It was subsequently demolished to make way for the > new > road. > Stan > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.8/973 - Release Date: 25/08/2007 > 17:00 > >

In a message dated 27/08/2007 22:33:10 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Would the book you mention "Century of Sunderland Cinemas" be available _________________________________________________ Hi Pat, The book was published in 1995, and is long out of print. You could look at http://tinyurl.com/3czdfh for a brief history of the Empire. Stan

dear Listers, I was recently reading documents at Woodhorn about this institution where a great great uncle David Allan worked as a shoemaker from 1901- 1906 when he died from rheumatic fever. Two questions which you may be able to help me with. 1. Are the old buildings on the site of what is now Netherton Park Correctional school the remains of the Reformatory or was it at the other site in Stannington owned by the CC which I think was a hospital site? Are the adjacent farm buildings now holiday lets(I think) part of the Reformatory farm? 2. David was buried at Stannington on the 3rd Jan. 1906. I doubt that there would be a stone but would it be possible to find out where his plot is? I'm sure someone will know the answers. Incidently the records for this institution are fascinating. It seemed very enlightened and some of the staff seemed more trouble than the lads. They seemed to enjoy an 85% "redemption" rate which would be the envy of modern probation services. Best wishes, mary

In a message dated 27/08/2007 17:37:12 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: STAR MUSIC HALL opened in 1885 was the last of the small theatres in the town and was never economic. It is now a garage, but its original purpose hi can still be traced both externally and internally. ___________________________________________________________________ Hi Geoff, In a "Century of Sunderland Cinemas" by Albert Anderson he has a chapter on the Star Music Hall. In 1857 the building at Number 2 Upper Sans Street, (which was to the south of Coronation Street), was opened as the Assembly Rooms. On 26th. December 1882 it was opened as the Star Music Hall by a Signor Durland (aka Rudland). On Saturday 16th August 1883 it was badly damaged by fire. It was later put into use as Salvation Army Barracks until 1906, when it was re-opened as the Pavilion Cinema on 11th February 1907. It was later renamed the Scala and closed down in 1924. In 1930 it was purchased by Charles Jolly for his motor garage. It was subsequently demolished to make way for the new road. Stan

While I wouldn't dream of disagreeing with any of the statements made so far, I would draw the attention of those interested to "Antiquities of Sunderland" Vol XXVII (1977-79), page 79, where, in an article by C B Walker entitled "The East End of Sunderland", the subject of an illustrated lecture given by him on 7 December 1976, it states: "SANS STREET. Former "Back Lonnin", a name also applied to Coronation Street. The Parish Boundary ran up the middle of the Street. Sans Close was dated 1841 but the term was used for land hereabouts as early as 1694. The name probably arose from the nature of the land, which is almost pure sand. BAPTIST CHAPEL. 1798. This can still be seen incorporated into the wall of a furniture factory. J D Todd's printing works have been there since the 1860s. STAR MUSIC HALL opened in 1885 was the last of the small theatres in the town and was never economic. It is now a garage, but its original purpose can still be traced both externally and internally. This occupies the site of Bowling Green House, shown on Raine's Map, and was at one time used as the Dispensary - forerunner of the Infirmary." I am not sure what is intended by the reference to J D Todd's printing works. That is, whether is was on the site of the Baptist Chapel (but surely that was the furniture factory) or whether, and probably, it was elsewhere in the street. I don't think Raine's map (the "Eye-Plan") has yet been mentioned in this context, probably because it is usually dated as 1785-90, a little early for us. On it, Sans Street is called "Back Lane" and seems to have comprised only five houses - or five buildings, anyway: some may have been in multi-occupation. None have been given any mark of their nature. They are all on the east side of the north end of the street. The Bowling Green House is clearly shown on the west side of the street, near its southern end, as is the Bowling Green itself. Geoff Nicholson

Hi Mary, Stannington is in Northumberland and is not associated with Sunderland. You would be better posting to the Northumbria list Stan

In a message dated 27/08/2007 08:30:17 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: As the mission chapel was on High Street West, how did it come to be known as Sans Street Mission? This must have been confusing when, for some years, there was another mission chapel on Sans Street itself. ___________________________________________________________ Hi Alan, There is some error in the various publications about the "Sans Street Mission". In Tom Corfe's 'History of Sunderland' he states "The first Wesleyan Chapel, opened in Numbers Garth in 1759, was moved to Sans Street in 1793" In Glen L. Dodds "A History of Sunderland" he states "In 1759 he opened Sunderland's first Methodist Chapel in Numbers Garth, off High Street. This in turn was replaced by an elegant chapel built in Sans Street in 1793..." Both these entries are incorrect. White's 1827 Directory has "The Wesleyan Methodist Chapel at the foot of Sans Street was built in 1791, enlarged in 1809 and 1824, ... accommodates 2,500..." The Baptist Chapel was at 41 Sans Street, on the west side. In the 1890 directory it was the Gospel Mission Hall, and the Wesleyan Chapel was on the south side of High Street West next to number 162 which was at the corner of Sans Street. In "Images of Wearside" there is a full page 1937 photo entitled (wrongly) "The Wesleyan Chapel in Sans Street, Sunderland known as Sans Street Mission. Built in 1793 and enlarged in 1807, it could accommodate about 2,000 people". However from the photographs in "Sunderland East End Revisited" and "A Century of Sunderland Cinemas" the chapel is obviously on High Street West. One photograph is taken from the north side of the street looking South East and you can clearly see the three tower blocks in the background. There is no doubt that the Chapel was on High Street West, but I don't know why it was called the "Sans Street Mission" Stan

My sincere apologies for confusing two chapels. However, I now have a question: As the mission chapel was on High Street West, how did it come to be known as Sans Street Mission? This must have been confusing when, for some years, there was another mission chapel on Sans Street itself. I have had a look at Ward's Directory for 1899 - 1900 where there are the following entries: High Street West - South Side 162 Caslaw, Hayter & Tate, outfitters Wesleyan Methodist Chapel 166 Sans Street Mission. Sans Street 38 Surtees (W & H) & Co Brassfounders The St. Thomas, Mission had closed by then. Alan Vickers. __________________________________________________ Tiscali Broadband only £7.99 a month for your first 3 months! http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/