In a message dated 05/09/2007 15:29:35 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Do you have any information or photographs to indicate what happened to the premises at 175 High Street West? According to Ward's Directory of Sunderland (1893-4), my ancestor John Grace WOODBRIDGE was a furniture dealer at this address. ___________________________________________________ Hi Colin, According to Whellan's 1894 Directory, J.G. Woodbridge was a Cabinet Maker at 174 High Street, not 175. Stan

Hi Claire, Have you searched on Google Books? There is reference in "The Jurist" to the bankruptcy of Joseph Middleton Penman and Thomas Penman of Sunderland. Also - you probably know all this - there are many Google Book references to William Reid Clanny who wrote on the cholera of Sunderland. He refers several times to "Mr Penman", who assisted him. One of my own family, Reginald ORTON, (d 1835) was also much involved in the study of cholera. He is also mentioned in connection with William Reid Clanny. RO was a surgeon mainly with his regiment in India, where he first wrote of the disease. His nephew, also Reginald Orton, was a surgeon in Sunderland from 1836 until his death in 1862. Nancy McLaughlin Burwood, Christchurch, NZ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Claire Bayley" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2007 9:59 AM Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Cholera Epidemic and Surgeons > Hi all > > I am looking for any information about a surgeon, Joseph Middleton Penman > who worked closely with William Reid Clanny during the cholera epidemic of > 1831. Also of the Old Infirmary which I believe was called St Marys? > > Many thanks > > Claire Moores > > > --------------------------------- > For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this > month. > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

In a message dated 05/09/2007 14:25:11 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: This is where I got my copy of the book of Sunderland old photos. _______________________________ Hi Derek, That's where I got my copy. Stan

The book "Sunderland East End Revisited" also has many old photographs. ISBN1-903534-00-3. Unfortunately since Hill's Bookshop closed I don't know where you can get local books, although the Sunderland Tourist Information Centre at 50 Fawcett St. used to stock some. Stan

In a message dated 05/09/2007 00:20:47 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: There is reference in "The Jurist" to the bankruptcy of Joseph Middleton Penman and Thomas Penman of Sunderland. _______________________________________________ They are listed as apothecaries, see http://tinyurl.com/2ydw2s Stan

In a message dated 04/09/2007 23:00:11 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Also of the Old Infirmary which I believe was called St Marys? _________________________________________________________ The old Infirmary is now a listed building see http://tinyurl.com/37bcjq Stan

In a message dated 04/09/2007 23:00:11 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Also of the Old Infirmary which I believe was called St Mary's? ______________________________________________________________________________ The infirmary was not called St. Mary's, that was the name of the Catholic School, opened in the old building in 1902. The Infirmary and Dispensary moved from Sans Street to the new building erected in 1822-24 to a design by Ignatius Bonomi on Chester Road in 1823. It had 20 accident beds, 12 fever beds, 28 medical beds, and a small operating room. Between 1823 and 1843 there were three outbreaks of cholera in the town and the medical staff were under great pressure. Many of its victims were buried in the Hind Street Burial Ground that is now under the ring road, the bodies being exhumed and re-interred in Bishopwearmouth Cemetery. The Infirmary moved to the site on New Durham Road in 1867. Stan

Hi all I am looking for any information about a surgeon, Joseph Middleton Penman who worked closely with William Reid Clanny during the cholera epidemic of 1831. Also of the Old Infirmary which I believe was called St Marys? Many thanks Claire Moores --------------------------------- For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit Yahoo! For Good this month.

In a message dated 04/09/2007 18:35:51 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Could someone recommend Books containing good photos of Sunderland streets and buildings occurring in the late 1800's. I would also be glad to hear of any on line sites. __________________________________________________________ Hi Susan, You could try the sites http://www.dur.ac.uk/picturesinprint/ http://www.sunderland.gov.uk/pages/ListedBuildings/lbnewsearch.asp and the book "Sunderland in Old Photographs" Alan Sutton Publishing, isbn 086298980 if you can find it.. Stan

Could someone recommend Books containing good photos of Sunderland streets and buildings occurring in the late 1800's. I would also be glad to hear of any on line sites. Thanks, Susan.

If like me you used to" Shop at Binns," and dance at the Seaburn Hall on Saturday nights, after sinking a beer or three in the Palatine, you may be interested in a book I have just received. Sunderland City & People Since 1945. by Neil T Sinclair. It has lots of photographs that will bring back a good few memories of the town, and all the buildings that have been knocked down. I purchased the book from Amazon at a very reasonable price. The code of the book is ISBN 1 85983 404 3 Regards, Derek. .

1. Does anyone know anything of the history of the Grangetown Working Mens Club? My great-grandfather was a member there in the 1930s-60s. I know the club is still in existance but does anyone have more details as to its early history? 2. Does anyone have recollections of a Dr. Gillan of Ryhope and Grangetown from the 30s and 40s. I believe he lived in the old church rectory and was followed into practice by his son and daughter? 3. Does anyone have recollections or photographs of an area in Grangetown behind Margaret Street and the Grange Public House near the coast where there were allotment gardens? This became the scene of many small businesses including piggeries, stables and a knackers yard. My ancestors, the Nord family, had a piggery there. The area was levelled in the 1960s. Any information would be welcome. Thanks Rob

Does any of your readers remember the Sunderland School Choir that met in Green Tce school around 1953/4, on Tuesday nights.We were on the radio once and I think it was on Childrens Hour, Happy Days . Regards to all from Ann Hansen (nee Pike)

Dear Listers, I wonder what sort of place Sans Street, Sans Close, Upper Sans Street were. My great great grandfather James Henderson, Master Tailor was living in Upper Sans Street on all the early censuses 1841-1871. For the next 2 they were in Suffolk Place which I imagine were more upmarket, although in 1901 my great grandfather Robert Allan(James' son-in-law ) and my granny were back in Sans Street. Robert started out as a Draper but by 1881 was an auctioneer and I believe had a furniture and auction rooms on Bridge Street. Robert JC Allan, Robert's son was an accountant, an elder of the Bethesda Church and quite a talented local artist I believe. I tried to find Sans Street, which I think has given way to dual carriageway although I do have copies of old maps. Does anyone have the sort of info. that might bring the place alive? Cheers, Mary

In a message dated 31/08/2007 21:01:44 GMT Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: I tried to find Sans Street, which I think has given way to dual carriageway although I do have copies of old maps. _________________________________________________ Hi Mary, Sans Street and Upper Sans Street are now the A1018, it is not a dual carriageway. Google Earth gives a good view of the area as it is now. Stan

Hi Pat, I read your letter about your Granda and the Empire.Seemingly it was Kens Great Granda who erected the figure on the top of the dome. It was his aunt that told us and we have never been able to find out anymore about it. The Empire is one of the places that has happy memories for me, going as a child to see the Pantomimes and in my teens to see Tommy Steel, Dickey Valentine, Ronnie Hilton and the rest.We used to go around to the stage door to get autographs. I always wanted to join the Roslyn Babes so I could dance on the stage. I once got up on the stage and sang during a Panto. Love Ann xx ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pat & Derek" <[email protected]> To: "Sunderland List" <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 7:31 AM Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Fw: Sans Street Mission > Hi Stan and list > Would the book you mention "Century of Sunderland Cinemas" be available > My Grandfather worked at the Empire as either a stage hand or > manager -have > never been able to source which - he was a Sawyer by trade > He was Stage Manager at the Boro Theatre Shields - I have small business > card to that effect but I would love to be able to fit together more > pieces about the Empire > There is a painting of the Empire with a man in the foreground in his suit > and cap -again don't know who the painting is by - but my Mum was adamant > the man in the foreground is her father > I am planning a trip 'home ' in January when Mum has her 100th birthday > and > intend to have a day at the Sunderland library -could advice any > particular > books other than the one mentioned that might help me look into the > history > of the Empire > Cheers Pat > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2007 3:48 AM > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Sans Street Mission > > >> In a message dated 27/08/2007 17:37:12 GMT Daylight Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> STAR MUSIC HALL opened in 1885 was the last of the small theatres in the >> town and was never economic. It is now a garage, but its original >> purpose >> hi can still be traced both externally and internally. >> >> ___________________________________________________________________ >> >> Hi Geoff, >> In a "Century of Sunderland Cinemas" by Albert Anderson he has a chapter >> on >> the Star Music Hall. In 1857 the building at Number 2 Upper Sans Street, >> (which was to the south of Coronation Street), was opened as the >> Assembly >> Rooms. >> On 26th. December 1882 it was opened as the Star Music Hall by a Signor >> Durland (aka Rudland). On Saturday 16th August 1883 it was badly damaged >> by fire. >> It was later put into use as Salvation Army Barracks until 1906, when it >> was >> re-opened as the Pavilion Cinema on 11th February 1907. It was later >> renamed >> the Scala and closed down in 1924. In 1930 it was purchased by Charles >> Jolly >> for his motor garage. It was subsequently demolished to make way for the >> new >> road. >> Stan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.484 / Virus Database: 269.12.8/973 - Release Date: >> 25/08/2007 >> 17:00 >> >> > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi Alan, Thanks for the reply, my John Hunter lived at number 8 Flag Lane for Donkeys years and was a Block & mastmaker by trade. He first appeared as a greengrocer in the 1871 census, it was probably one of those old shops in the front room that there used to be until about thirty/ forty years ago. In the 1891 census he had spread into number nine as well. Mrs Mary Grant who was a 67 year old widow seems to be at number 32 Flag Lane in a couple of rooms (RG12/4143). John died a couple of years later 29/04/1893 and the address was given as number 8 again. Thanks again for your response. Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 8:04 AM Subject: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Digest, Vol 2, Issue 174 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Sans Close ([email protected]) > 2. Re: Missions ([email protected]) > 3. Ward's Directory (Mary Orton) > 4. Re: Ward's Directory ([email protected]) > 5. Ward's Directory (Mary Orton) > 6. Re: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Digest, Vol 2, Issue 173 (Ian Ridley) > 7. Sans Street & Music Halls (CLARE CHILTON) > 8. SANS STREET MISSION (Colin Beet) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 03:24:56 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Sans Close > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > In a message dated 28/08/2007 17:14:11 GMT Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > According to 'Lanes, Alleys and Quays of old Sunderland' - an article > by C B Walker in Sunderland's History 5, the journal of Sunderland > Antiquarian Society - Sans Close was Upper Sans Street. > ___________________________________________________________ > > > This is confirmed in the 1851 Directory where Sans Close is off Borough > Road. In the 1858 Directory it is renamed Upper Sans Street, running from > Coronation Street to Borough Road > > Stan > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:31:36 +0100 (GMT+01:00) > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Missions > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset="UTF-8" > > Ian - Wards Directory 1899 - 1900 list the following: > > Flag Lane > begins at 23 High St. East > > 8 Stevens R (shopkeeper) > > 9 Grant M (Mrs) > > Sunderland Parish Mission Chapel > > Sunderland Parish Mission Sunday School > > 17 Leray L caretaker > > 25 Hold E A (Mrs) clothes dlr > > 27 Buston T innkeeper > > 29 Little J joiner > > > > Alan Vickers. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Tiscali Broadband only ?7.99 a month for your first 3 months! > http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 13:42:08 +0100 > From: "Mary Orton" <[email protected]> > Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Ward's Directory > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Alan, > > I wonder if you could kindly tell me if Ward's Directory 1899-1900 shows a > grocer's shop at 1 Lawton Street and who was its proprietor? > > Mary Orton > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:39:28 +0100 (GMT+01:00) > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Ward's Directory > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset="UTF-8" > > Mary - from Ward's Directory 1899 - 1900: > > Lawton Street > Begins at Robinson ter > > 1 Brough J (Mrs) grocer > > > Alan Vickers. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Tiscali Broadband only ?7.99 a month for your first 3 months! > http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/broadband/ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 16:48:45 +0100 > From: "Mary Orton" <[email protected]> > Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Ward's Directory > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Thank you, Alan. Much appreciated. > > Mary O > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 18:52:15 +0100 > From: "Ian Ridley" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Digest, Vol 2, > Issue 173 > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; > reply-type=original > > Hi Stan, > Thanks for the response, I know about the primitive methodist church you > kindly gave me the information about the website > http://www.vision.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/revival/meccaod.html a few years > ago, it was just a shot in the dark to see if there was anything regarding > the mission. > Thanks for all your help. > Ian > ----- Original Message ----- > From: <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:04 AM > Subject: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Digest, Vol 2, Issue 173 > > >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Missions ([email protected]) >> 2. Re: Missions ([email protected]) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:47:21 EDT >> From: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Missions >> To: [email protected] >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> >> In a message dated 28/08/2007 19:47:00 GMT Daylight Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> I wonder if >> the greengrocery was actually in the mission or is it just the next >> entry. >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> Hi Ian, >> It is just the next entry. In Directories not all addresses are given, >> those >> of private residences are not usually listed. For example in 1890 only >> numbers 9, 24, 27 and 29 Flag Lane are listed, whereas in the 1901 census >> the >> numbers go up to 47. One result of this, worth remembering, is that a >> street is >> not listed in a directory if there are no entries for that street. >> >> Stan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:59:55 EDT >> From: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Missions >> To: [email protected] >> Message-ID: <[email protected]> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" >> >> In a message dated 28/08/2007 19:47:00 GMT Daylight Time, >> [email protected] writes: >> the Parish Mission Chapel >> >> _________________________________________ >> >> >> It was originally a Primitive Methodist Chapel built in 1823. >> >> Stan >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> To contact the ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND list administrator, send an email to >> [email protected] >> >> To post a message to the ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND mailing list, send an email >> to >> [email protected] >> >> __________________________________________________________ >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] >> with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the >> body >> of the >> email with no additional text. >> >> >> End of ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Digest, Vol 2, Issue 173 >> ************************************************** >> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 7 > Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 19:17:13 +0100 (BST) > From: CLARE CHILTON <[email protected]> > Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Sans Street & Music Halls > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 > > Hi, everyone, > > I have been following the postings re Sans Street as my Great Grandmother > was residing in No.33 according to the1881 census. > > Music Halls 1870 - 1930, still looking for information on Charles and > Arthur Fasnacht later appearing under the name of Danby. They were born in > London and appeared on the stage as Comedians. Margaret Ellen Hudson > (under the name Nellie Wilson) appeared with this group (Fasnacht-Danby) > as a singer and dancer. > > Also does anyone recognise the name John Wynn Wilkinson thought to have > been born in Carrville, Durham c1852, according to the 1881 census he was > a painter and decorator. > > I am still searching for Margaret Ann Wynn Wilkinson aka Margaret A > Wilson aka Annie Wilson born in Sunderland c1884 and thought to have > travelled abroad, possibly to Australia, sometime after April 1909. Annie > had an older sister Dorothy Ann Wynn Wilkinson aka Dorothy A Wilson. > > I post these requests every few months in the hope that one day a fellow > searcher has them in their family tree. > > A big 'thank you' to all for the information and websites posted to this > list. > > Clare > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 8 > Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:33:03 +0100 > From: "Colin Beet" <[email protected]> > Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] SANS STREET MISSION > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > There is a description of the Sans Street Mission in a booklet produced by > the Sunderland Antiquarian Society and entitled "Sunderland Under Sail - > Last Recollections of the 1820's (Vol V)" . The description and the > accompanying photograph places the Mission in High Street. > > Colin > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Digest, Vol 2, Issue 174 > ************************************************** >

There is a description of the Sans Street Mission in a booklet produced by the Sunderland Antiquarian Society and entitled "Sunderland Under Sail - Last Recollections of the 1820's (Vol V)" . The description and the accompanying photograph places the Mission in High Street. Colin

Hi, everyone, I have been following the postings re Sans Street as my Great Grandmother was residing in No.33 according to the1881 census. Music Halls 1870 - 1930, still looking for information on Charles and Arthur Fasnacht later appearing under the name of Danby. They were born in London and appeared on the stage as Comedians. Margaret Ellen Hudson (under the name Nellie Wilson) appeared with this group (Fasnacht-Danby) as a singer and dancer. Also does anyone recognise the name John Wynn Wilkinson thought to have been born in Carrville, Durham c1852, according to the 1881 census he was a painter and decorator. I am still searching for Margaret Ann Wynn Wilkinson aka Margaret A Wilson aka Annie Wilson born in Sunderland c1884 and thought to have travelled abroad, possibly to Australia, sometime after April 1909. Annie had an older sister Dorothy Ann Wynn Wilkinson aka Dorothy A Wilson. I post these requests every few months in the hope that one day a fellow searcher has them in their family tree. A big 'thank you' to all for the information and websites posted to this list. Clare

Hi Stan, Thanks for the response, I know about the primitive methodist church you kindly gave me the information about the website http://www.vision.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/revival/meccaod.html a few years ago, it was just a shot in the dark to see if there was anything regarding the mission. Thanks for all your help. Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2007 8:04 AM Subject: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Digest, Vol 2, Issue 173 > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Missions ([email protected]) > 2. Re: Missions ([email protected]) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:47:21 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Missions > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > In a message dated 28/08/2007 19:47:00 GMT Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > I wonder if > the greengrocery was actually in the mission or is it just the next > entry. > ________________________________________________________________________ > Hi Ian, > It is just the next entry. In Directories not all addresses are given, > those > of private residences are not usually listed. For example in 1890 only > numbers 9, 24, 27 and 29 Flag Lane are listed, whereas in the 1901 census > the > numbers go up to 47. One result of this, worth remembering, is that a > street is > not listed in a directory if there are no entries for that street. > > Stan > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2007 16:59:55 EDT > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Missions > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > In a message dated 28/08/2007 19:47:00 GMT Daylight Time, > [email protected] writes: > the Parish Mission Chapel > > _________________________________________ > > > It was originally a Primitive Methodist Chapel built in 1823. > > Stan > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Digest, Vol 2, Issue 173 > ************************************************** >