Hi Doris, Go to http://aesica.dur.ac.uk/pip/singlezoom.asp?img=p2387&ref1=2258 and zoom in on "High Street" Palin's Entry is opposite the 'h' in 'High' just to the west of John Street. It is apparently named after Benjamin Palin, a chemist who was at No. 78 High Street East at the corner of John Street and HSE. Stan

Hi Doris, Palin's Entry or Passage was at 78 High Street East. Stan

In a message dated 17/11/2007 08:34:49 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Greetings form NZ, researching SMITH in Nbl Staring with Henry c1757 Others include: Gale - Middis - Robson - Jackson - Hedley - Ramsay - Quenet - McLeod - Hudson - Tomlinson - Davidson - Seery - Race - Hibbert - Carrington - Renwick - Cheesbrough - Clark - Waldie - Haigh - Tarbox - Sadler - Faas - Blyths - Rutherfords - Chris Smith Chris: No, this isn't going to be a helpful "this is all about them" response! However, it may be of interest to you and to others on this List to think about the first reactions of an old codger when given this list of surnames. First, "Henry Smith c1757". Presumably you mean that was when he was born, but as you seem not to know his parentage and only have the approximate date, perhaps you have either worked it out from a census (unlikely considering the age he would have had ot be) or from a stated age at death (notoriously unreliable). In any case the number of Smiths in Northumberland, as elsewhere, was far too many for this to help pin him down. The other surnames produce various reactions: Gale - found in Northumberland but not in any great numbers. There were Gales on the Yorkshire coast (that was a genealogical observation, not a weather report!) Middis - I have never come across it before. Possibly a mis-reading of the Northumbrian surname Fiddis/Fiddes. Robson - Jackson - Hedley - Ramsay - All very, very common in Northumberland. You would have to provide a lot more detail than just the surname if we are to pin them down with any accuracy. Robson and Hedley are from Border areas, mainly Redesdale, a district notorious for Border Reiving in the 16th century. Ramsay is common all over the county but probably originated in Scotland. Jackson is found all over the north of England. Quenet - Sounds like it is from the Isle of Man. McLeod - Scottish Highland (west coast and Hebrides). Of Norse origin. Hudson - Common throughout the north, including Northumberland Tomlinson - Also common in northern England, perhaps slightly more so in Northumberland than elsewhere Davidson - A good old, and very common, Northumberland surname. Beware: Davidson is effectively the same as Davison and that spelling can easily be confused with another Northumbrian surname, Dawson. Seery - Irish. Many families who now consider themselves Northumbrian actually arrived from Ireland during the 19th century, especially during the 1840s. Race - Co Durham. One of those surname found to a great extent, but only, in Weardale and Teesdale. Hibbert - Uncommon. Found in mid-Northumberland. There was a locally prominent family named Hibbert-Smith. Carrington - Some found all over but not particularly common. Renwick - To be found throughout the NE. Possibly originated in Renwick in Cumberland. There were/are Renwick landowners in Coquetdale and Renwick blacksmiths employed at the Crowley Iron Works in Winlaton. Cheesbrough - No particularly local. Sounds Yorkshire to my ears. Clark - Found all over Waldie - There was a group of Waldies around Rothbury. Haigh - From the Scottish side of the Border Tarbox - I've never come across it before Sadler - Common. In the age of the horse every town would have needed its saddler. There is a Sadler Street in Durham City. Faas - Blyths - Faa or Faw is a Border name for a Gypsy and one of the main Gypsy families were the Blyths, The main Gypsy centre near the Border was at Yetholm, just on the Scottish side. Rutherfords - A good old Scottish Border name, though Rutherfords have been in Northumberland (Rudchester) and Co Durham (Blackhall MIll near Chopwell) from at least the days of the Reivers. I don't know whether this will have been helpful, but you might find it interesting to know which of your surnames are very Northumbrian and which are not! Geoff Nicholson

Hi everyone The abbreviation "Ped" was found in Sunderland Parish Church records Sunderland Durham 1719 to 1804. It is a copy of the register on fiche at the local LDS church. It appears to be a capital "P" followed by little "ed". The abbreviation also appears in Monkwearmouth St Peters records. The local convener does not know what it is either. The following is an example Nov 7 1719 William S Thos Eliz Dixon Ped Some records appear to have placenames where Ped occurs for others Thank you Wendy No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.32/1131 - Release Date: 11/14/2007 4:54 PM

In a message dated 16/11/2007 07:48:54 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: The following is an example Nov 7 1719 William S Thos Eliz Dixon Ped _________________________________ Hi Wendy, Under the Stamp Duty Act of 1783 a duty of 3 pence was imposed on each entry in the register, of which the incumbent received 20% commission. The Act was repealed in 1794. However your entries appear to be outside these dates. Does this "Ped" appear on both marriage and baptism entries? Stan

In a message dated 16/11/2007 07:48:52 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: The abbreviation "Ped" was found in Sunderland Parish Church records Sunderland Durham 1719 to 1804. It is a copy of the register on fiche at the local LDS church. It appears to be a capital "P" followed by little "ed". The abbreviation also appears in Monkwearmouth St Peters records. The local convener does not know what it is either. The following is an example Nov 7 1719 William S Thos Eliz Dixon Ped Some records appear to have placenames where Ped occurs for others Wendy: It is probably really "Pd" (for "paid"). What you are reading as an "e" is probably really only a small flourish. Herbert Maxwell Wood, whose transcripts, made about a century ago, are very highly thought of, and which I understand to have been used when the IGI was first compiled (as the CFI), completely ignores that "word". Whatever it means he seems not to have regarded it as significant. I think it is true to say that very few of the earlier baptism records have addresses to go with them, so I wouldn't regard it as a substitute for an address. You might enquire at Sunderland Public Library to see what J C Corder made of it in his transcript. I still wonder why, with Wood, Corder et al having transcribed those records - and Wood being available on microfiche from "Northfiche" - you are transcribing this register yet again. An enquiry at Durham Record Office or at Tyne and Wear or at the NDFHS would bring forth a list of other registers from the Sunderland district which have not yet ever been transcribed and where some more work would be most welcome. Geoff Nicholson

There are 68 other Surtees Society publications available at http://tinyurl.com/2tzuwa including Wills and Inventories from the Registry at Durham, part 3. Stan

I have the census for the Cavanagh family from 1881, they lived in 5 Havelock St Sunderland which I think may have been down the Town end.The youngest daughter Ann was married to William Charles Rogers and they had 2 children Elizabeth Ann born in 1900 and Edward born in 1893.Ann died after her 2nd child was born, she was 23 years old.Her children were raised by her sister Elizabethy for a while. The census reads Edward Cavanagh age 48 Born in Ireland Elizabeth " age 50 " " Patrick age 22 unmarried and born in Sunderland John age 20 " "" " "" Elizabeth 16 " "" "" "" Ann age 12 " " " " I believe Elizabeth married a man by the name of Franciosy but I dont have any information on the rest of the siblings. Ann was my Great Grandmother and I would love to know if any of the Cavanagh family are reading this, if so, I would love to hear from you. Regards Ann Hansen .

The Returns Made to the House of Commons in 1641/2 for the County Palatine of Durham, and for the Borough of Berwick-upon- Tweed and the Parish of Morpeth, by the Surtees Society can be found at. http://www.archive.org/details/durhamprotestat00surtuoft Stan

I am transcribing some records for Sunderland marriages. Can someone tell me what ?Ped is an abbreviation for? Cheers Wendy No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.503 / Virus Database: 269.15.31/1129 - Release Date: 11/13/2007 9:22 PM

In a message dated 14/11/2007 09:22:38 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Are you sure it is not just "Pd" - for "paid" - ie the fees had been paid? ______________________________________________________________________________ _________ The 1694 Stamp Act [5 & 6 W&M, c.21] directly taxed all marriages, as did the 1694 Marriage Duty Act [6 & 7 W&M, c.6] imposed from 1st. May 1695. The scale of charges introduced by the latter legislation included 2s. 6d. for every marriage, payable by the bridegroom. The Marriage Duty Act was extended to 1st August 1706, well beyond the originally planned date of 1700. Stan

In a message dated 14/11/2007 08:14:05 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I am transcribing some records for Sunderland marriages. Can someone tell me what ?Ped is an abbreviation for? ______________________________________________________________ Hi Wendy, Could you give the date for the entries? Stan

In a message dated 14/11/2007 08:13:47 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I am transcribing some records for Sunderland marriages. Can someone tell me what ?Ped is an abbreviation for? Cheers Wendy Wendy: That doesn't sound like anything I have seen as a regular abbreviation in a parish register. Can you give us some better idea of the context? ie which part of the resord "Ped" appears in? and the date of the record? For a genealogist "Ped" might be short for "pedigree" but that is hardly likely to occur in an original register. I assume you are transcribing from the original or from a microfilm or photocopy of it - there's no point at all in transcribing from a transcript! If so, and if this is part of some serious transcription project, then why not ask whoever is organising the project (Record Office? Library? NDFHS?). Are you sure it is not just "Pd" - for "paid" - ie the fees had been paid? Geoff Nicholson

Hi Adrian, It is very confusing!!!! The census enumerators call it High Southwick and the directories The Green. It appears that High Southwick is the north side of 'The Green' with No.2 being the Sun Inn, at the east end and No.54 at the west end. In the 1902 Directory Peter Gillespie is living at 6 The Green, but in the 1901 Census he is living at 6 High Southwick RG13/4724/78/40, Town Street is not in the 1901 Census. Looking at today's map the houses were renumbered by 1901 with even numbers on the north side and uneven numbers on the south side. In the 1901 Census the Tram Car Inn is enumerated as being at 51 High Southwick, but in the 1894 Directory it is listed as being in The Green Stan

In a message dated 13/11/2007 09:38:31 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: a street listed in the censuses as High Southwick. ______________________________________________________________________ Hi Adrian, If it was an early census then it will be Southwick Green. The Sun PH was at the east end See http://freepages.family.rootsweb.com/~brycefamily/highsouthwick.jpg Stan

Hi Adrian, High Southwick was not a street, it is a part of Southwick itself around the church, Low Southwick was the part near the river. Which census was it? Stan

I am trying to find on an 1895 Ordnance map a street listed in the censuses as High Southwick. One of the properties on the road is the Sun P.H. so it would appear that it must either be a street named on the 1895 map as Town Street/Cornhill Terrace, or a street which is not named on the map running NNE from the Sun Public House towards Fulwell Road - the road which is now called Thompson Road. Any ideas? Adrian

Belated thanks to Heather Punshon and Anthony Laing who very kindly responded to my HANN query. I have had the misfortune (putting it mildly) of having my computer crash & losing all my recent emails etc.. Thanks once again Cheers Julie

Thanks very much for the interesting and helpful posts on the Marquess of Londonderry and the Stewart family. Rob On 12/11/2007, [email protected] < [email protected]> wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Stewart family (Mary Orton) > 2. Stewart family (Mary Orton) > 3. Re: Stewart family ([email protected]) > 4. Re: Stewart family ([email protected]) > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Mary Orton" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 09:35:06 -0000 > Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Stewart family > Alan, > > I don't dispute the accuracy of your statement about the history of this > particular branch of the Stewart family, but I think it could be > misconstrued as meaning that the ancestry of ALL Stewarts lies in Ireland, > which is not the case. > > Stewart origins lie in 11th century Brittany. The name derives from the > word 'steward', specifically from a favoured member of the household of King > David I of Scotland (who reigned 1124-1153). This 'steward' was a member of > the Anglo-Breton Fitzalan family, upon whom King David bestowed the title of > Seneschal (or Steward) of Scotland, together with land lying mostly in > Renfrewshire. This title was hereditary, and the sixth 'Steward' descendant > married Marjorie, daughter of King Robert I (best remembered as Robert the > Bruce). Their son, Robert, was the first Stewart to be crowned, as King > Robert II of Scotland in1371, who ruled until 1390. > > For anyone interested, Scottish history is well presented on the following > websites - > > www.scotlandhistory.co.uk and www.rampantscotland.com > > (My Grandmother was a Scottish-born Stewart whose ancestry is traceable to > Dumfriesshire in the 1600s, so my family research has included tracing the > name's origin. I also have family connections in Brittany.) > > Regards, > > Mary Orton > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "Mary Orton" <[email protected]> > To: <[email protected]> > Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 11:21:35 -0000 > Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Stewart family > Alan, > > Your kind apology is much appreciated, but unnecessary. I do understand > the intent behind your original post, which was, as always, helpful in > context. > > What prompted my post was my own experience during family research. It's > become apparent that one fact can be taken out of context, or > misinterpreted, and then used in support of erroneous assumptions which are, > in turn, quoted as fact. It is then difficult to shift belief in the > accuracy of such 'creations'. > > I wanted only to clarify Stewart history for anyone who may have taken the > Irish connection you mentioned as applying to all Stewarts, and I hope you > are not offended. > > Regards, > > Mary Orton > > > > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 08:01:05 EST > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Stewart family > > In a message dated 10/11/2007 20:30:31 GMT Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > Rob - the Stewarts were of Irish descent > > ________________________________________________________________________ > > Hi Alan, > Robert Stewart, first marquess of Londonderry (1739–1821), politician, > was > born in Ireland on 27 September 1739, his family roots were Scottish and > Presbyterian. > > > > Stan > > > > > > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2007 14:37:59 +0100 (GMT+01:00) > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Stewart family > > Thanks Stan - I did not have that information. > > Alan Vickers. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Exclusive discounts on Norton Security from Tiscali > http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/securepc/ > > > To contact the ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND mailing list, send an email to > [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body > of the > email with no additional text. > >

Thanks Stan - I did not have that information. Alan Vickers. __________________________________________________ Exclusive discounts on Norton Security from Tiscali http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/securepc/