Sarah - I cannot find any of the names that you mention in Murton Street. No 19 - Collin, R W, engineer No 20 - Sutherland, J W, secretary to Water Company No 21 - Todd, E L, draper, No 21 - Servants' Home & Free Registry; Miss M Ramsey, matron Wearsider. __________________________________________________ Get an exclusive discount on Norton 360 from Tiscali http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/securepc

In the 1881 Census 36 Fowler Terrace was the "Oddfellows' Arms", which in 'Old Pubs of Sunderland' is said to be in Robinson Terrace. The 1896 O.S. map shows Fowler Place off Robinson Terrace. The "Oddfellows' Arms" closed in 1961. Stan

Thanks Stan I appreciate your help, at least I'm narrowing down where they weren't. :o) Thanks again Sarah On 19/12/2007, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > In a message dated 19/12/2007 16:11:15 GMT Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > I think it's 20, or 21 Murton Street > > _____________________________________________________ > > Hi Sarah > You will find that address on RG13 Piece 4712 Folio 106 Page 27. There was > only one family at No. 20 called Sutherland and only one, called Harrris > at > No. 21 > > Stan > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- http://sjgenes.blogspot.com

Sarah - I have a copy of Ward's Directory 1899-1900 on micrifuche. This has the names of the occupants for Nos 1 - 25 Murton Street on it. What exactly are you looking for? Wearsider. __________________________________________________ Get an exclusive discount on Norton 360 from Tiscali http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/securepc

Many thanks for looking anyway, I appreciate you taking the time. It must have been later that the family lived there. Thanks again Sarah On 19/12/2007, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Sarah - I cannot find any of the names that you mention in Murton > Street. > > No 19 - Collin, R W, engineer > No 20 - Sutherland, J W, secretary to Water Company > No 21 - Todd, E L, draper, > No 21 - Servants' Home & Free Registry; Miss M Ramsey, matron > > Wearsider. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Get an exclusive discount on Norton 360 from Tiscali > http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/securepc > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- http://sjgenes.blogspot.com

Hi Many thanks, I think it's 20, or 21 Murton Street, it was apparently a three story house with a basement where my family lived, definitely in the early 1900's but I'm not sure when they moved there. Anyway there were quite a few families who lived there, the surnames would be Murrell, Coutts, Lisle, Henderson. My Taylors also lived there but I think that was later than 1900. I was hoping I might find some of the family there on the 1901 census, but have no idea which district to look in to find the street, and there are loads :) I would be very grateful if you could let me know if any of the names above were there on your microfiche. Thanks again Sarah On 19/12/2007, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Sarah - I have a copy of Ward's Directory 1899-1900 on micrifuche. > This has the names of the occupants for Nos 1 - 25 Murton Street on > it. What exactly are you looking for? > > Wearsider. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Get an exclusive discount on Norton 360 from Tiscali > http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/securepc > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

Hi all Would anyone know which enumeration district Murton Street would be in, I am trying to find an old family home to see who was there in 1901, google isn't really helping me much. Many thanks Sarah

In a message dated 19/12/2007 17:17:57 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: N0 25 Haddock W T, accountant No 28 Sunderland District Nursing Association, Rogers, M (Miss) supt. _________________________________________________________________________ Hi Alan, In Kelly's 1902 Directory No. 25 is the Servants Registry Office and Home, matron Miss Margaret Ramsey, the same as in the census. No. 28 is the District Nurses' Home, (Miss Mabel Rogers, matron) See RG13/4712/107/29 Stan

In a message dated 19/12/2007 16:41:07 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: No 21 - Servants' Home & Free Registry; Miss M Ramsey, matron ____________________________________________ That is No. 25 in the Census. Margaret Ramsey, matron. Stan

In a message dated 19/12/2007 16:11:15 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I think it's 20, or 21 Murton Street _____________________________________________________ Hi Sarah You will find that address on RG13 Piece 4712 Folio 106 Page 27. There was only one family at No. 20 called Sutherland and only one, called Harrris at No. 21 Stan

Hi Listers, Help needed, can anyone advise me which Court would hold the Annulment Certificate for a marriage performed at Whitburn Parish Church. The marriage was performed on 12 February 1918. The Lady involved remarried again in 1921. Regards James Coates

In a message dated 18/12/2007 19:40:50 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: which Court would hold the Annulment Certificate _______________________________________________________________ Hi James, The Probate Divorce and Admiralty Division of the High Court of England and Wales Stan

Thanks again Stan It would appear the Sunderland license records have not survived, so am back to square one searching for more information on William Murrell. I have ordered his son's birth certificate, from 1899 in the hope it might provide some more information. Many thanks for all your help and information. Sarah From: [email protected] > Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 05:08:10 EST > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Robinson Terrace, South Bishopwearmouth > To: [email protected] > > In a message dated 17/12/2007 08:27:07 GMT Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > Would there be any way to obtain a copy of the application for this? > Would > the records be held somewhere still? > _______________________________________________________________________ > > Hi Sarah, > Any surviving records would be in the records of the petty sessions > of the > County Borough. Tyne and Wear Archives have some records see > http://www.tyneandweararchives.org.uk/userguides/ under 'Law and Order' > Their research service costs £25 per hour including VAT. > > > Stan > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > -- > Sent from Google Mail for mobile | mobile.google.com >

Has anyone come across situations where a child has been baptised twice? Having found a baptism record and then another 4 years later , same name, same parents and address, I would naturally presume the first child had died and a later baby given the same name. But I wonder if there may be instances where this isn't the case and a repeat baptism has taken place??? Thanks Joan -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter for private users. It has removed 496 spam emails to date. Paying users do not have this message in their emails. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len

I have one of these repeat baptisms and in my case I think the reason may be written in the margin but I cannot read what it says. If anyone would like to be a kind soul and look at the entry I would appreciate it. In the Jarrow St. Paul baptism registry is a baptism for Mary Barnfather daughter of Nicholas and Isabella baptised first on 11 Nov 1826. There is a note in the margin and a reference to another entry number in the registry. When you go to that one for 27 May 1827 you find a note there and referred to the previous 11 Nov 1826 entry. I am dealing with microfilm here and maybe the actual entry is legible I don't know but that is a moot point as one cannot get the actual register I don't think. The child is later buried 30 April 1828 at 18 mo old. My gr gr grandmother is the next child baptised 1830 and named Mary also. The note may say "see also" I don't know but I am 99% sure it is the same child. Janis

In a message dated 17/12/2007 16:47:08 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Having found a baptism record and then another 4 years later , __________________________________________________________________________ Hi Joan, What is the date, is it after 1837? If it is have you checked for the birth registrations? As you say the most likely explanation is that the first child died, and the second child was given the same name Stan

In a message dated 17/12/2007 16:47:13 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Has anyone come across situations where a child has been baptised twice? Having found a baptism record and then another 4 years later , same name, same parents and address, I would naturally presume the first child had died and a later baby given the same name. But I wonder if there may be instances where this isn't the case and a repeat baptism has taken place??? Thanks Joan Joan: When this topic has arisen before - as it occasionally does - the answer given usually refers to a private baptism having taken place, probably in the parents' house, and owing to the child being too ill to be taken to church and thought unlikely to survive. Later, when the child actually has recovered, he/she is then taken to be "received into church" (the "church" here being not so much the building as the congregation as a fellowship), and both ceremonies have been recorded in the baptism register. Sometimes one comes across a conscientious clerk who marks each baptism, when appropriate, with "Private" or "rec'd into church". There are other possible explanations, however, and one that occurs to me, given that the child was aged four, is that the parents may have wanted to have him/her enrolled at a church school, where proof of baptism was required before admission. Is there any detail that is different between the two entries? If something about the first was not quite kosher - eg the father's name or occupation - then it might have been thought to have made the baptism, or at least the record of it, not good enough, and a "good quality one" might have been desired. Had the first been by a Curate whose qualifications - or whose later activities - were not what they should have been, causing the parents to doubt the validity of his baptisms? However, I would want to make a thorough check for the death or burial of the first child before I was convinced it was not a case of, as you mention, a dead child being replaced by another of the same name. Geoff Nicholson

Hi Joan, Yes, there are instances of children being baptised twice. Most probably because, as far as the Church of England was concerned, the first baptism was not lawful, or "all things were not done, as they ought to be" Or the Parish Priest was deliberately kept in ignorance of the first one. Was this at the same church with the same incumbent? If the parents are so minded they could get their children baptised as often as they like. Stan

Hi Stan Many thanks for the information, it's fascinating to learn about it, appreciate your help. So by 1896 when William was a Beer House Keeper he would have had to apply for a license from the justice? Would there be any way to obtain a copy of the application for this? Would the records be held somewhere still? I am trying to prove or disprove the family story that William was born in France so anything which might have personal information on him would be really useful. I know Margaret Coutts worked in her uncles pub before she married William Murrell in 1896, so it seems quite natural to learn that William, and Margaret were involved in some way in the alcohol trade. Family stories also have William, and his family as a Wine merchants/tasters. Unfortunately (from a genealogy viewpoint, perhaps not so for Margaret :o) ) by 1901 Margaret Coutts was living with husband no2 John Lisle, so very little is "known" about William Murrell. Many thanks again. Sarah On 15/12/2007, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Sarah, > Liquor licensing legislation in this country is extremely complex. The > Beer > House Act 1830 enabled any householder of reputable character to obtain a > beer house licence for a tenement or dwelling of rateable value, > by merely > paying the small sum of two guineas to the Excise. This meant that > more or less > anybody could obtain a licence to sell beer without the necessity > of having to > apply to magistrates, in contrast to a licensed victualler who could sell > all > types of drink. This Act opened the floodgates to a spectacular > proliferation of decidedly downmarket drinking-dens, most of them in the > front rooms of > terraced houses. The Act was repealed by the 1869 Wine and Beerhouse Act > (32 > and 33 Vic. c.27) which re-introduced the stricter controls of > the previous > century. It was now necessary for retailers selling beer and wine > to obtain > their licenses from justices, and in addition, it was also necessary > to obtain > similar licenses to sell alcohol off the premises. > > Stan > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >

In a message dated 17/12/2007 08:27:07 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Would there be any way to obtain a copy of the application for this? Would the records be held somewhere still? _______________________________________________________________________ Hi Sarah, Any surviving records would be in the records of the petty sessions of the County Borough. Tyne and Wear Archives have some records see http://www.tyneandweararchives.org.uk/userguides/ under 'Law and Order' Their research service costs £25 per hour including VAT. Stan