In a message dated 05/01/2008 00:40:26 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: > - have you checked all parish records in Sunderland, Byker, Corbridge, > Hetton (in case he was born elsewhere) for all John Robsons born circa > 1840? Just one tiny little addition to that list of parishes to check. It is easy to overlook the fact that the parish of Corbridge included the parochial chapelry of Halton. In the early 19th century Halton was, as it is today, a "dot on the map" village, but people living in, say, Great Whittingham would have been more likely to have just gone across a few fields to Halton than to have made the long journey right down into the bottom of the Tyne valley to reach Corbridge and then to have had the long climb back out of it to reach home again. Geoff Nicholson

I think that you will find it is not the easiest database to use (:- )) for instance Sunderland 1769-1842 has 1,412 pages, with no index, and there are a batch of transcripts for Wallsend parish among them. Stan

In a message dated 05/01/2008 00:40:32 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: - I see on the 1841 that it states "Y" of being of the parish of ____________________________________________________________________________ The 'Y' means he was born in the county not the parish. Under "Where Born" there are two columns "Whether born in same County" and "Whether born in Scotland, Ireland, of Foreign Parts". Stan

Hi. I have seen some requests for help regarding records from this area. I wondered if everyone on the list was familiar with the new LDS website where they have microfilmed records online to search? They are testing the site and you are required to register and they want feedback about how you like the set up of the website. There are not a lot of records there yet but one that some on this list might be interested in searching. You have to browse these particular records and they are not ALL the records for the area but someone might find something. They have the " England Diocese of Durham Bishops Transcripts, 1700 - 1900". You can find the website here: http://search.labs.familysearch.org/ Margaret

----- Original Message ----- From: "Susan Smith" <[email protected]> To: "-DUR-SUNDERLAND" <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 4:32 PM Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] John Robson Mystery > Well, I guess the obvious questions are: > - do you have the church marriage registration for John Robson and Eleanor > Urwin and if so which church in Sunderland > - have you purchased all the civil certs for all John Robson born in > Sunderland in 1840 > - have you checked all parish records in Sunderland, Byker, Corbridge, > Hetton (in case he was born elsewhere) for all John Robsons born circa > 1840? > It is possible that for some reason he may have been Christened in a > different church than his siblings. And, his siblings were born in various > places so there's no actual guarantee he was born in Sunderland. > - I see on the 1841 that it states "Y" of being of the parish of > Hetton-le-hole, so it's possible he was born there. After all, his sister > was born there, has no baptism and on the 1851 was stated her birth was > Sunderland. Possibly same thing happened to John. It's worth a try. > - Another possibility... if Eleanor was alone on the 1841, then John (was > he > a mariner?) would have been away. Could the father of John be a different > person and thus he is illegitimate and therefore less of a chance of > having > a civil reg? > > If this was my family I'd check civil reg's in Hetton-Le-Hole: > Births Jun 1838 (>99%) > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ROBSON John Houghton le Spring 24 140 > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Births Dec 1838 (>99%) > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ROBSON John Charlton Houghton le Spring 24 130 > > > Also, if he was illegitimate, they might have tried to "fix" his birth age > so it fit better when John Robson was around. Maybe he was actually 3 (as > his age at marriage would indicated) in 1841, because the 1841 census > "rounded up." > > All just wild thoughts, you never know, though. > Susan > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Allan Robson" <[email protected]> > To: "-DUR-SUNDERLAND" <[email protected]> > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 12:16 PM > Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] John Robson Mystery > > >> Hello All >> Can anybody solve the following, this is a Reposting. >> >> John Robson born 1840 ish his parents appear to be John Robson born 1805 >> Corbridge and Eleanor Urwin born 1809 Byker, John was the 6th Child born >> to the above his Siblings as follows: >> Robert born 1827 Cramlington >> Jane born 1829 Walker >> Mary Ann born 1831 Norton >> Elizabeth born 1833 Norton >> Douglas born 1835 Newcastle >> John born 1840? >> I have all the Baptisms of the above except John >> >> 1841 Census >> Pemberton St, Hetton-le-Hole >> Eleanor age 30 >> Robert age 13 >> Mary Ann age 9 >> Elizabeth age 8 >> Douglas age 5 >> John age 1 >> >> Oct 1841 Margaret was born in Hetton I have birth Reg, no Baptism. >> Sept 1843 Armstrong Urwin born Hetton >> July 1846 Richard Born died in 1846 at Hetton, both Armstrong and >> Richard >> were baptised together at St Nicholas Hetton 8th July 1846, I also have >> there Birth Regs, still no sign of John and Margaret's Baptisms >> >> 1851 Census >> Neasham Sq, Sunderland >> John Robson age 46 Head born Corbridge >> Eleanor age 41 born Byker >> John aged 11 Born Sunderland >> Magaret age 10 born Sunderland ( this is wrong she was born Hetton I have >> birth Reg) >> Armstrong age 8 born Hetton >> Thomas age 3 Months born Sunderland, I have his Birth Reg and Baptism >> >> 1861 Census >> 20 Sussex St, Sunderland >> John Robson age 23 Seaman Born Bishopwearmouth >> Eleanor wife age 27 Born Sunderland >> Douglas age 4 Months born Sunderland >> >> John Robson age 22 Married Eleanor Ann Hall age 26 on 15th Jan 1860 in >> Sunderland, I think he lied about his age to marry his wife was actually >> 29 when they married she knocked a few years off her age. >> John died in May 1865 as a result of an Accident and was buried with >> Naval >> Honours. >> >> John is my direct Line, I have had all the John Robson Birth Regs checked >> from 1837 to 1841 he is not Registered and no luck with his baptism of >> him >> and his sister Margaret, it is a complete mystery why there is no record >> of him. >> if anyone can help or come across his birth or Baptism please let me know >> it has been 9 years of Searching. >> >> Many Thanks >> Allan Robson >> >> ------------------------------- >> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to >> [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' >> without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message >> >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1209 - Release Date: >> 04/01/2008 12:05 PM >> >

---- John Moore <[email protected]> wrote: > I am researching the family of Joseph Warren born about 1877 at Sunderland. His birth does not appear in the BMD Indexes but his father is almost certainly Joseph Warren born about 1820 in Ireland who came across to England in the 1840's and became a miner /horsekeeper at Monkseaton until 1891 when he moved to Southwick, Sunderland. > The younger Joseph married Jane Carter at Southwick in 1897 and had 7 children : Margaret Jane, John William, Joseph, Ernest, Robert, Agnes Ann and Arthur. His wife Jane died in 1911 and he remarried shortly afterwards. > I am keen to contact anyone else researching this family particularly Glen who posted an item on this family about 3 years ago. Hi John. Wouldn't the younger Joseph be listed with his parents in the 1881 census? I think I found the family of the older Joseph listed in 1881 and there was not a son the right age named Joseph listed with the family. Margaret

Is there anyone researching the Swinburn family from Bishopwearmouth James Swinburn m Dorrothy Maxwell approx 1800. Their children were James,Dorothy,Catherine,John, Ralph and Ann (twins) and Thomas Maxwell. Ann married Daniel Murphy and they lived in Woodbine St at Hendon. Does anyone have any knowledge of the rest of the family. Are there any decendants still living in Sunderland Many Thanks from Ann Hansen (Australia)

I am researching the family of Joseph Warren born about 1877 at Sunderland. His birth does not appear in the BMD Indexes but his father is almost certainly Joseph Warren born about 1820 in Ireland who came across to England in the 1840's and became a miner /horsekeeper at Monkseaton until 1891 when he moved to Southwick, Sunderland. The younger Joseph married Jane Carter at Southwick in 1897 and had 7 children : Margaret Jane, John William, Joseph, Ernest, Robert, Agnes Ann and Arthur. His wife Jane died in 1911 and he remarried shortly afterwards. I am keen to contact anyone else researching this family particularly Glen who posted an item on this family about 3 years ago. John

>>>Hi, If it's for the Second World War you will need permission from next of kin, I believe. Susan>>> Thanks Susan. It is the 2nd WW, sorry I should have said. Sue

Hi List Members Hope everyone had a great Xmas and wishing you all a healthy 2008. Now to my question, I have the soldier's release book for an ancestor Thomas RUTHERFORD, and wonder if anyone can tell me how I would go about applying for his Army Service record. The book shows his Army number and his Regiment - R.A.S.C. together with the unit - 5 ARMD BDE COY and Rank DVR. >From that I assume he was a Driver with the 5th Armoured Brigade of the Royal Army Service Corps. Would that be sufficient detail to apply for his record? Regards Sue Sunderland Researching: POLLEY, OLD, CARTLEDGE, CALVERT, TAYLOR, NEASHAM, AYRE, PESTELL, BRANTON, LINCOLN, GANLEY, FLAHERTY, BAINBRIDGE, FORSTER, GREEN, BLANCHFLOWER, BOOTH, EMBLING, CARR, FINNEGAN, HALL, HUNTER, KELLY, RICHARDS, BLAKELOCK, ROWE, RUTHERFORD, STEWART, COCKERILL. Places: ESSEX, SUNDERLAND, NORFOLK, DURHAM, IRELAND, SCOTLAND.

Hi, If it's for the Second World War you will need permission from next of kin, I believe. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "susan branton" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, January 02, 2008 11:39 PM Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] RUTHERFORD > Hi List Members > > Hope everyone had a great Xmas and wishing you all a healthy 2008. > > Now to my question, I have the soldier's release book for an ancestor > Thomas > RUTHERFORD, and wonder if anyone can tell me how I would go about applying > for his Army Service record. The book shows his Army number and his > Regiment - R.A.S.C. together with the unit - 5 ARMD BDE COY and Rank DVR. >>From that I assume he was a Driver with the 5th Armoured Brigade of the > Royal Army Service Corps. Would that be sufficient detail to apply for > his > record? > > Regards > Sue > Sunderland > Researching: POLLEY, OLD, CARTLEDGE, CALVERT, TAYLOR, NEASHAM, AYRE, > PESTELL, BRANTON, LINCOLN, GANLEY, FLAHERTY, BAINBRIDGE, FORSTER, GREEN, > BLANCHFLOWER, BOOTH, EMBLING, CARR, FINNEGAN, HALL, HUNTER, KELLY, > RICHARDS, > BLAKELOCK, ROWE, RUTHERFORD, STEWART, COCKERILL. > Places: ESSEX, SUNDERLAND, NORFOLK, DURHAM, IRELAND, SCOTLAND. > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1207 - Release Date: > 02/01/2008 11:29 AM >

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The census enumerators books were regarded by the GRO as the raw material from which to produce the tables published in the 'Census Reports'. In this process the books were altered and annotated, on the original books these are in coloured inks, crayon, or pencil, and can easily be differentiated from the enumerators' returns. On monochrome microfilm these additions are difficult to differentiate. For examples of actual census pages in original colour see http://tinyurl.com/2wpx2g which is RG13 piece 297 folio 22 page 1, and http://tinyurl.com/233wwl which is RG13 piece 1835 folio 94 page 35. Stan

Wow, thanks very much!! Appreciate you looking it up. Sarah On 19/12/2007, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > Sarah - the 1899-1900 directory says: > > 24 Murrell W, beer-retailer > > Wearsider. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Get an exclusive discount on Norton 360 from Tiscali > http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/securepc > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > -- http://sjgenes.blogspot.com

Sarah - the 1899-1900 directory says: 24 Murrell W, beer-retailer Wearsider. __________________________________________________ Get an exclusive discount on Norton 360 from Tiscali http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/securepc

Hi Stan, Many thanks for the details of where to apply to for a copy of the annulment certificate. Regards James

Hi again all This might be a long shot, but I have just looked up 24 Robinson Terrace in 1901 to see if the family were still there and it's described as Uninhabited/In Occupation, inbetween 24 and 25 it seems to say Oddfellows Arms, which sounds like a pub name? Would a Beer house have a name which would be transcribed on a census? Is there anywhere I might get more information on this? I can't find the family anywhere on the 1901 census, I think they may have been hiding LOL However I have found the family of Margaret Murrell (nee Coutts) second husband living at number 23 Robinson Terrace in 1901. Many thanks Sarah On 17/12/2007, S J <[email protected]> wrote: > > > Thanks again Stan > > It would appear the Sunderland license records have not survived, so am > back to square one searching for more information on William Murrell. I have > ordered his son's birth certificate, from 1899 in the hope it might provide > some more information. > > Many thanks for all your help and information. > > Sarah > > > > From: [email protected] > > Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 05:08:10 EST > > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Robinson Terrace, South > > Bishopwearmouth > > To: [email protected] > > > > In a message dated 17/12/2007 08:27:07 GMT Standard Time, > > [email protected] writes: > > Would there be any way to obtain a copy of the application for this? > > Would > > the records be held somewhere still? > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > > > Hi Sarah, > > Any surviving records would be in the records of the petty sessions > > of the > > County Borough. Tyne and Wear Archives have some records see > > http://www.tyneandweararchives.org.uk/userguides/ under 'Law and Order' > > Their research service costs £25 per hour including VAT. > > > > > > Stan > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------- > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > > -- > > Sent from Google Mail for mobile | mobile.google.com > > > > -- http://sjgenes.blogspot.com

Thanks Stan - it loos as though some exchanges of premises took place about 1900. Alan Vickers. __________________________________________________ Get an exclusive discount on Norton 360 from Tiscali http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/securepc

In the directory it lists the following: N0 25 Haddock W T, accountant No 28 Sunderland District Nursing Association, Rogers, M (Miss) supt. Alan Vickers. __________________________________________________ Get an exclusive discount on Norton 360 from Tiscali http://www.tiscali.co.uk/products/securepc

In a message dated 19/12/2007 15:31:18 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Would anyone know which enumeration district Murton Street would be in, I am trying to find an old family home to see who was there in 1901, google isn't really helping me much. I note the previous answers. This is simply a little anecdote I think subscribers to this List may be interested in. Several years ago the Sunderland Branch of the NDFHS used to meet in Murton Street, in what was then the RAFA Club, but which has now become a Hell's Angels Club (!). I'm not sure of the number but some of the experts on the List may know what it must be. One of our speakers was quite dumfounded when he turned up. He had been told the address but had only half believed it and when he arrived he said that his family had lived there in the nineteenth century! I cannot now recall his surname, except that it was not one of those already mentioned. When he wrote up his family history and deposited a copy with the NFDHS Library at Bolbec Hall (as I hope we all have done, or will do eventually, to preserve the information for the foreseeable future) he called it "Return to Murton Street". Perhaps that will tell our experts who it is I am thinking of! Geoff Nicholson