Hello - anyone with links to the COX family, starting out in Wiltshire and moving to Sunderland? Samuel COX - born 1855 in Wiltshire and died 1927 in Seaham. In 1879, Samuel married Elizabeth Greenwood THOMPSON (1862). Their children (all born in Sunderland) are: Esther (1880-1935), George (1885), Henry (1887), Daniel Taylor (1889-1978), Mary Elizabeth (1889), Frederick (1892), Samuel (1893), William (1895) and Eva (1898). Thanks, Mark

Hello - anyone with links to the RYAN family from Sunderland? William John RYAN (1865) married Margaret Ann ALLEN (1870-1938) in 1889. Their children are: William Thomas (1889), David Henry (1890), Margaret Elizabeth (1892), Michael Henry (1894), Joseph (1896-1918), John David (1897-1946), Ann Mary (1899), Harriet Ellen (1901), Henrietta Jane (1902), Winifred Ann (1904), Dennis George (1906-1907) and Wilhelmina Ethel (1910). Thanks, Mark

In a message dated 15/01/2008 10:12:40 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Another approach might be to take a detailed look at any of the censuses, noting the descriptions of each enumeration district and which parish it lay within. Parish boundaries did alter somewhat as the 19th century progressed and new parishes kept being formed. _____________________________________________________________________________ The parish of St Aiden's Grangetown was not created until 1911 out of the parish of Ryhope St. Paul, which was itself formed out of Bishopwearmouth in 1854. Ecclesiastical parish boundaries are not shown on Ordnance Survey maps after 1879, but Civil Parish boundaries are. You may get a map showing the existing boundaries from the Durham Diocesan office.. Stan

In a message dated 14/01/2008 14:42:11 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Does anyone know a good online (or otherwise) source that details the boundaries of any given parish in the Sunderland area? I'm particularly interested in what area was covered by St. Aidan's Church, Grangetown, or in otherwords exactly what the boundaries of Grangetown are. Original Indexes (OI) used to publish a map showing all the Sunderland etc parish boundaries. Their publications are now available from the Northumberland and Durham Family History Society (NDFHS), as their "Ancestral Indexes" series. I am not sure whether that map is still included, but you could look at the list of all the material available from the NDFHS on their web site: _www.ndfhs.org.uk_ (http://www.ndfhs.org.uk) However, as I remember it, the OI maps were quite general ones, meant to show where the parishes lay in relation to each other and not, say, which parish a particular street was in. Another approach might be to take a detailed look at any of the censuses, noting the descriptions of each enumeration district and which parish it lay within. Parish boundaries did alter somewhat as the 19th century progressed and new parishes kept being formed. Geoff Nicholson

Another query if I may... Old maps of Grangetown, Sunderland c. 1865 show a Ryhope Cottage and Halfway House on the area which would later become Grange Farm and Ocean Road. Does anyone have access to any old directories from this time, or have any further information about these? Was the Halfway House a Toll House? And where was it halfway between (?Sunderland and Ryhope) Grangetown also appeared to have several farms "Ryhope Grange Farm" and "Grange Farm" - was one a annexe of the other or separate concerns and when did they cease as working farms? An how about the various corn mills - "Stoup Mill" and "Ryhope Mill" - does anyone know when these were built and ended their working life? Thanks again, Rob

Does anyone know a good online (or otherwise) source that details the boundaries of any given parish in the Sunderland area? I'm particularly interested in what area was covered by St. Aidan's Church, Grangetown, or in otherwords exactly what the boundaries of Grangetown are. Still talking about Grangetown - there waw a building in Grangetown close to the Hendon Grange Public House known as "Hendon Grange" What was this and what is its origins? Many thanks. Rob

My g-grandmother, Mary HALL was born in Sunderland March 23, 1855 and died November 20, 1943 in San Diego, California, USA. Mary married John George WILLS, b. 1/24/1854 in Sunderland, d. 4/30/1925 in San Diego, CA, a blacksmith, farmer, rancher, politician. Mary had twelve children. Mary's parents were Cuthbert HALL, b. 10/26/1818 in Sunderland, d. 2/5/1900 in Sunderland, a Shipwright aboard the vessel Bradley. Cuthbert's spouse was Elizabeth MURRAY, b. 1823 in Sunderland, d. 12/24/1897in Sunderland, a homemaker. Mary's siblings: James Murray HALL, b. 1845 in Sunderland Thomas HALL, b. 1847 in Sunderland Cuthbert HALL, b. 1849 in Sunderland, d. 10/8/1879 William Hall, b. 1859 in Sunderland Elizabeth HALL, b. 1861 in Sunderland, assistant dryer Margaret HALL, b. 1866 in Sunderland, shop assistant Annie HALL, b. 1869 in Sunderland, office clerk Mary's grandfather was Thomas HALL, a shipwright who married Mary Richardson. Yes, it would be wonderful to untangle the HALL history! Charles On Jan 11, 2008, at 12:05 AM, [email protected] wrote: > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. HALL (susan branton) > 2. Re: HALL ([email protected]) > 3. Richard Errington Foundry 1850's Sunderland (ALLAN ROBSON) > 4. Re: Richard Errington Foundry 1850's Sunderland > ([email protected]) > 5. Re: Richard Errington Foundry 1850's Sunderland > ([email protected]) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:03:50 -0000 > From: "susan branton" <[email protected]> > Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] HALL > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAADBDKRrUkeJJpk+x/Xn/[email protected] > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > One of my main interests in Sunderland is HALL and I have made a lot > of > headway with this common surname using both census and parish records. > > My project now is to try and expand on the various branches and > wonder if > anyone on the list may also have an interest in the HALL family I have > detailed below. > > John Weston Smith HALL born 22 May 1869 Sunderland married Elizabeth > ROBSON > 1890 in Sunderland. > Children: > Charles William 1892, John 1897, Ernest 1898 & Ellen Robson 1901 > > The above children I have confirmed through baptism parish records > however, > there may be more. > > Look forward to hearing from anyone who may connect to this family. > > Sue > Sunderland > Researching: POLLEY, OLD, CARTLEDGE, CALVERT, TAYLOR, NEASHAM, AYRE, > PESTELL, BRANTON, LINCOLN, GANLEY, FLAHERTY, BAINBRIDGE, FORSTER, > GREEN, > BLANCHFLOWER, BOOTH, EMBLING, CARR, FINNEGAN, HALL, HUNTER, KELLY, > RICHARDS, > BLAKELOCK, ROWE, RUTHERFORD, STEWART, COCKERILL. > Places: ESSEX, SUNDERLAND, NORFOLK, DURHAM, IRELAND, SCOTLAND. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 10:57:19 EST > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] HALL > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > > In a message dated 10/01/2008 13:08:48 GMT Standard Time, > [email protected] writes: > > One of my main interests in Sunderland is HALL and I have made a > lot of > headway with this common surname using both census and parish > records. > > My project now is to try and expand on the various branches > > > > You must have a lot of heart to tackle a general study of the > Halls! It > is one of the most numerous surnames in both Northumberland and Co > Durham, > as well as being very common throughout the north of England. Your > first job > must be to look at the W Percy Hedley MSS in Northumberland County > Record > Office. As you probably know, Hedley published two volumes of his > "Northumberland Families" before his death in the 1970s. The > Record Office have the MSS > notes he made preparatory to writing further volumes on similar > lines, one of > which was to be devoted to "Elsdon Lairds". W P Hedley's own > family can be > traced back to one of the numerous Elsdon Hedley families, hence > his interest > in that parish. There were lots and lots of Hall families among > those Elsdon > small land-owners and WPH has reconstructed their families > excellently. > They were the descendants of Border Reivers and their own > descendants prospered > and multiplied enormously, making Elsdon one of the main "Hall > homelands" of > the north-east - though by no means the only one! > > Geoff Nicholson > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:11:22 -0000 > From: "ALLAN ROBSON" <[email protected]> > Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Richard Errington Foundry 1850's > Sunderland > To: <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Hello All > I am looking for info on the above, Richard Errington had a foundry > in Sunderland, it was in the 1850's , I dont know how long it lasted > and would like help finding some information. > Maybe someone can help. > > Regards > Allan Robson > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 20:50:26 +0100 (GMT+01:00) > From: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Richard Errington Foundry 1850's > Sunderland > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain;charset="UTF-8" > > Allan - Whellan's Directory for County Durham, 1856 has the following: > > Errington, Richard (R Errington ,jun. & Brothers), ho Deptford Lodge, > B > Errington, Richard, jun. & Brothers, brass-founders, &c. Ayre's Quay, > and Pann Bank Top. B. > > Alan Vickers. > > > > __________________________________________________ > Get up to ?150 by recycling your old mobile - visit www.tiscali.co.uk/recycle > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:23:26 EST > From: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Richard Errington Foundry 1850's > Sunderland > To: [email protected] > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > > See the Sunderland Archives for July 2007 > http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/eng-dur-sunderland/2007-07/1185302819 > > Stan > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To contact the ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND list administrator, send an email to > [email protected] > > To post a message to the ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND mailing list, send an > email to [email protected] > > __________________________________________________________ > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] > with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and > the body of the > email with no additional text. > > > End of ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND Digest, Vol 3, Issue 7 > ************************************************

Hi I wonder if any one has used any Dutch Genealogy Sites, if so have you any tips and addresses for same. Thank you for any info. Allan 11/01/08 14:43pm

Hi Allan, You could try http://www.en.nationaalarchief.nl/voorouders/genlias/ Stan

Allan - Whellan's Directory for County Durham, 1856 has the following: Errington, Richard (R Errington ,jun. & Brothers), ho Deptford Lodge, B Errington, Richard, jun. & Brothers, brass-founders, &c. Ayre's Quay, and Pann Bank Top. B. Alan Vickers. __________________________________________________ Get up to £150 by recycling your old mobile - visit www.tiscali.co.uk/recycle

Hello All I am looking for info on the above, Richard Errington had a foundry in Sunderland, it was in the 1850's , I dont know how long it lasted and would like help finding some information. Maybe someone can help. Regards Allan Robson

See the Sunderland Archives for July 2007 http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/eng-dur-sunderland/2007-07/1185302819 Stan

One of my main interests in Sunderland is HALL and I have made a lot of headway with this common surname using both census and parish records. My project now is to try and expand on the various branches and wonder if anyone on the list may also have an interest in the HALL family I have detailed below. John Weston Smith HALL born 22 May 1869 Sunderland married Elizabeth ROBSON 1890 in Sunderland. Children: Charles William 1892, John 1897, Ernest 1898 & Ellen Robson 1901 The above children I have confirmed through baptism parish records however, there may be more. Look forward to hearing from anyone who may connect to this family. Sue Sunderland Researching: POLLEY, OLD, CARTLEDGE, CALVERT, TAYLOR, NEASHAM, AYRE, PESTELL, BRANTON, LINCOLN, GANLEY, FLAHERTY, BAINBRIDGE, FORSTER, GREEN, BLANCHFLOWER, BOOTH, EMBLING, CARR, FINNEGAN, HALL, HUNTER, KELLY, RICHARDS, BLAKELOCK, ROWE, RUTHERFORD, STEWART, COCKERILL. Places: ESSEX, SUNDERLAND, NORFOLK, DURHAM, IRELAND, SCOTLAND.

In a message dated 10/01/2008 13:08:48 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: One of my main interests in Sunderland is HALL and I have made a lot of headway with this common surname using both census and parish records. My project now is to try and expand on the various branches You must have a lot of heart to tackle a general study of the Halls! It is one of the most numerous surnames in both Northumberland and Co Durham, as well as being very common throughout the north of England. Your first job must be to look at the W Percy Hedley MSS in Northumberland County Record Office. As you probably know, Hedley published two volumes of his "Northumberland Families" before his death in the 1970s. The Record Office have the MSS notes he made preparatory to writing further volumes on similar lines, one of which was to be devoted to "Elsdon Lairds". W P Hedley's own family can be traced back to one of the numerous Elsdon Hedley families, hence his interest in that parish. There were lots and lots of Hall families among those Elsdon small land-owners and WPH has reconstructed their families excellently. They were the descendants of Border Reivers and their own descendants prospered and multiplied enormously, making Elsdon one of the main "Hall homelands" of the north-east - though by no means the only one! Geoff Nicholson

In a message dated 09/01/2008 09:13:37 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: would have been registered in the Sept ¼ 1868, ______________________________________________________ Sorry for the typo of course I mean Sept ¼ 1869 Stan

In a message dated 09/01/2008 02:48:36 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I sent away for his birth certificate, but the records office said they couldn't find him? All the information I have is that he was born 24 July, 1969 in Sunderland Durham ________________________________________________________________________ A check of the GRO Index on Ancestry agrees with FreeBmd in that there were only four births registered for a George Hall in the Sept ¼ 1869 and none were in County Durham. Stan

In a message dated 09/01/2008 02:48:36 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I sent away for his birth certificate, but the records office said they couldn't find him? All the information I have is that he was born 24 July, 1969 in Sunderland Durham ______________________________________________________________________________ _ Hi Nanette, How do you know that he was born in Sunderland on 24 July 1869? His birth would have been registered in the Sept ¼ 1868, and according to FreeBmd there was no George Hall registered in Sunderland in that ¼. There was on registered in the June ¼ 1869 but that does not agree with the date you give. Stan

Nanette, Where have you searched so far? How many George Halls born 1869 in Sunderland were there? How do you know he's your great-grandfather? And how do you know his birthdate? Sorry to ask so many questions, but I did a quick search and didn't find that many George Halls living in Sunderland born 1869. Even if there are 10 of them, the process of elimination would help you pinpoint him. Susan ----- Original Message ----- From: "Nanette" <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 6:47 PM Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] HALL >I have an ancestor that I should have so much information about, since he >was my great grandfather, but I haven't. > I sent away for his birth cerfificate, but the records office said they > couldn't find him? All the information I have is that he was born 24 > July, 1969 in Sunderland Durham. I have checked the census records, and > there are too many George Halls of that age living in Sunderland. I just > don't know which one it is. > Would anyone have any ideas on how to find my George Hall, and his family > livng in Sunderland? > Thanks so much for listening. > Nanette > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.17.13/1214 - Release Date: > 08/01/2008 1:38 PM >

I have an ancestor that I should have so much information about, since he was my great grandfather, but I haven't. I sent away for his birth cerfificate, but the records office said they couldn't find him? All the information I have is that he was born 24 July, 1969 in Sunderland Durham. I have checked the census records, and there are too many George Halls of that age living in Sunderland. I just don't know which one it is. Would anyone have any ideas on how to find my George Hall, and his family livng in Sunderland? Thanks so much for listening. Nanette

In a message dated 05/01/2008 09:56:32 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I think that you will find it is not the easiest database to use (:- )) for instance Sunderland 1769-1842 has 1,412 pages, with no index, and there are a batch of transcripts for Wallsend parish among them. Stan I agree with Stan's comments, and would also point outt he following. Bishops' Transcripts (BTs) are not mentioned on this, or any, List very often and some subscribers may not be familiar with them. Those whose knowledge comes entirely from text-books will have read that in most dioceses the sequence of BTs begins around the time of the start of the parish registers. However, in the case of Durham Diocese (the counties of Durham and Northumberland, plus Alston parish in Cumberland) that is not so, as the BTs have been lost (destroyed) for all years before the 1760s. In practice they are very intermittent for the 1760s, and sometimes for the 1770s also. They usually go up to the start of civil registration (1 July 1837) but they seem to have no definite cut-off date, many parishes ending their runs in 1837 but others lasting right up to the early 20th century. There seems to me to perhaps be some correlation between the end of the BTs and the date when whichever clergyman was in charge in 1837 ceased to hold that position - ie when he either moved on to another parish or died in office. Be warned - the handwriting of the BTs can sometimes be difficult indeed to read. The writing paper used varies between precise reproductions of the post-1812 printed pages of registers to, literally the backs of envelopes. However, BTs, when readily available, should always be checked, as they are not what, in theory, they always should be - exact reproductions of what is in the original registers. Entries appear in the registers which are not in the BTs and vice-versa, some entries having extra information or comments, in the BTs that is not given in the registers. A list of exisitng BTs for Durham Diocese, compiled by their keeper, Margaret McCollum, of Durham University Library, Archives and Special Collections (at that time known as the Department of Palaeography and Diplomatic) was published in the first volume of the Journal of the NDFHS, pages 52 and 82, which are now available from that Society on their fascinating CD of the first 25 volumes (100 issues). See also Vol 24, page 6 "Some New BT's found". Geoff Nicholson