In a message dated 11/02/2008 19:48:06 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Many thanks to Sharon, Grahame and Stan for your replies re my query (Is Tatham Street in the Bishopwearmouth area?). ______________________________________________________________________________ ____ A lot of questions are asked on list, but replies given off list. Surely the object of the list is to share information with all members. Stan

In the nineteenth century Seafaring was Sunderland's most important industry, and at its peak in 1861 employed no fewer than a quarter of all men over the age of 20. However there was an enormous death rate, in 1867 one in 70 drowned. Between 1824 and 1836 of the 2,241 ships registered in Sunderland 603 were lost. Between 1833 and 1835 124 went down. (Select Committee on Shipwrecks PP. 1836 XVII, App.8. pp. 716-7 and 745-6) The total casualty figures for British Shipping reached a peak in 1881 when almost 4,000 masters and men died. Figures quoted in 1884 showed the loss of life in mining in the worst year was not more than one in 315 of those employed, whereas in British shipping it was one in 60. ("Sunderland, River Town & People") Stan

I see a lister was enquiring about the death of a mariner whist at sea, I have a family member, William H LAMBERT, b. Sunderland 1861. Family lore always thought he died somewhere in the China Seas, the last recording I have for him is in 1881, at 65 Devonshire Street, Monkwearmouth.( well known to Stan I believe) Anyone know where I might find further information as to his death. Derek Lambert.

In a message dated 11/02/2008 21:13:40 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Is the list available to the public? ___________________________________________________ Hi Tony, Deaths at sea 1854-1890 is available on Findmypast Stan

Hi Derek, He is not listed in "Deaths at Sea" 1872-1887. Stan

Hi Susan, If you go to http://gis.durham.gov.uk/website/interMAP/viewer.htm click search then Coordinates (opens new page) enter 440660, 557535, this will centre the modern map on the location of Hat Case, then go to the 1894-1899 old map to see the street. Stan

Thanks Geoff for the explanation about Trafalgar House I guess I asked the wrong question, as I was hoping someone could help me find the death of a mariner. James Brown of Sunderland died in 1866 aged about 37, and I have been unable to find a record of his death. Heather -

Hat case ran from Silver Street to Warren Street. Silver Street was parallel to Burleigh Street >From the Royal Commission on the State of Large Towns 1845. (In Sunderland) "there is a narrow, confined place called the Hat Case, leading from the street to the Old Customs House, the wall of which blocks up the avenue and intercepts the free current of air. In No 10 there is a yard in which there is a most offensive midden, rented to a man for 9d per week and cleaned out - he says - every 8 or 10 weeks, but to all appearance never entirely emptied, being as we afterwards found out, the chief depository for all the abomination in this neighbourhood and one which is cried out against as a great public nuisance. The privies of the factory houses empty their contents into this dunghill. Stinking stagnant water has no outlet from this row in which human ordure and other disgusting objects are so thickly deposited that one can hardly step clear of them! ". See also http://www.ndfhs.org.uk/Reports/con_2003.html Stan

In a message dated 11/02/2008 18:35:00 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Susan - Hat Case ran from 16 Silver Street (later called Tunstall Street) through to Warren Street. Travelling down High Street East towards the docks Silver Street was the next street after Burleigh Street, both streets running from High Street East through to Prospect Row. This part of Sunderland was known as the 'East End'. Alan Vickers. Yes, indeed. Hat Case can be seen marked clearly on the 1st and 2nd ediitons of the Ordnance Survey maps, which are the usual answer to any question of "Where is/was a particular address". In this case we have the marvellous bonus of it being also clearly marked on Raine's "Eye Plan" of the late 18th century, which can give one an excellent sense of actually looking at the place as it was at that period. Geoff Nicholson

In a message dated 11/02/2008 16:41:02 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I am also interested in these Trafalgar records - looking for the death of James BROWN in 1866 aged about 37. The only publshed records (microfiche facsimiles of the originals, plus an index) of Sunderland's Trafalgar Square Seamens' Almshouses refer to applications for admission either as an in-dweller or as a person receiving "outdoor" relief. While fascinating , especially where old mariners list the whole of their careers, with evidence to back up their claim that they have had a hard life, with many illnesses, accidents and other privations, they do seem to relate only to the late 1840s and early 1850s. I say "seem to" because they are actually undated. Deaths are not listed, even for those periods. Geoff Nicholson

On a Burial Record, a relative died in 1843 at Hat Case. Does anyone know where this location would have been? This family was noted to have lived, in the 1841 Census at East St., Sunderland and in 1847 at Burleigh St., Sunderland. Would 'Hat Close' be anywhere near East and Burleigh St.? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Susan.

Hello I am also interested in these Trafalgar records - looking for the death of James BROWN in 1866 aged about 37. His daughter Abigail BROWN was born on 1st January 1867 in Sunderland, and on her birth certificate he is described as a mariner, merchant service [deceased]. If he is indeed the father, then this narrows down his death rather well - but I haven't had any luck finding a suitable candidate, as he may have died anywhere. In the 1861 Census he is a "pilot" 1861 RG 9 piece 3780 folio 60 page 41 sch 218 Bank Street Sunderland all born Monkwearmouth James BROWN 32 pilot Hannah BROWN 32 Fanny BROWN 2 Lancelot H FOSTER 19 brother stonemason [Hannah's brother] Thanks for any help on this Heather

In a message dated 11/02/2008 13:58:03 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: I would be looking for any records between 1871-1881. _____________________________________________________ Hi Susan, There are no records in Marine Deaths for L. Reay 1871-1881 Stan

Would anyone be able to access Marine Death records for me? I am looking for the death of Lonie REAY b.abt. 1813, Gateshead. I find him in the 1841 Census as a Mariner and again with his family in 1861 Census, age 48, a seaman with the Merchant Line and living in Sunderland. In the 1871 Census his wife Jane is alone as a Mariner's wife in Sunderland and by 1881 she is a widow. I would be looking for any records between 1871-1881. Many thanks, Susan.

Alan I would like a copy too please Not that long ago a lady contacted me as her Great Grandfather the Reverend Fraser Orton was the Vicar that was killed in the church when it was bombed I have suggested that she joins this mailing list and could then maybe get more info Meanwhile if you send it to me please I will forward it on to her Thanks Pat Phillips ----- Original Message ----- From: <[email protected]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Monday, February 11, 2008 1:56 AM Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] St Thomas' Bishopwearmouth. > This is an old thread, however in December 2006 there was a request for > a photograph of the church which had been destroyed by enemy action in > 1943. > > I have located an undated cutting from 'Sunderland Echo' which has a > photo of the church taken in its early days. I willl attelpt to take a > scan of this cutting if I can. > > Alan Vickers > > > > __________________________________________________ > Get up to £150 by recycling your old mobile - visit > www.tiscali.co.uk/recycle > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > >

In a message dated 11/02/2008 10:53:57 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Would SKS please be able to check the Marriage details for Jonathan Wilkinson & Charlotte King in Bishopwearmouth on 22 Aug 1825. __________________________________________________________________ Hi Bryan, I suppose that you know Under Hardwicke's Marriage Act 1753, the only information recorded in the register is the names of the bride and groom, the date and place, whether the marriage was by banns or licence, the consent of the parents if either of the couple were under the age of 21, the marital status of the bride and groom, and the names of witnesses. The parents names are not given. You can see an example of a register at http://tinyurl.com/2y845n Stan

In a message dated 11/02/2008 09:40:26 GMT Standard Time, [email protected] writes: Tatham Street could also be said to be in the Hendon area. _______________________________________________________ It is now in the Hendon Ward of Sunderland. See http://tinyurl.com/34jsg6 Stan

No, Ann's last name is Keall. She is the mother of a woman who married into my tree. She died in 1880 in Bishopwearmouth, she was the widow of Thomas Keall. Her eldest daughter Mary Ann, married Richard Pyle in the 3Q of 1860. Isabella Keall Douglas was her 2nd daughter I believe. The 1871 census has misread her name as Ann Krall.... Janet Pat & Derek <[email protected]> wrote: Down as Douglas in 1871 Alan & Stan 1871 Census 2 Hedley Street Source Citation: Class: RG10; Piece: 5001; Folio: 18; Page: 29; GSU roll: 847378. James Douglas aged 32-occupation glassmaker born about 1840 Scotland Head Isabella Douglas aged 28 born about 1843 Sunderland Wife Robert Douglas aged 9 born about 1862 Sunderland Son Annie Douglas aged 4 born about 1867 Sunderland Daughter Catherine Douglas aged 2 born about 1869 Sunderland Daughter Emma Douglas aged 7 born about 1864 Sunderland Daughter Margaret Douglas aged 11 months born about 1870 Sunderland Daugh Do you think the name on the 1861 could be Kell rather than Keall - just asking because I know the name Kell I will send the images off list if you would like them Alan Cheers Pat Phillips ----- Original Message ----- From: "Allan Robson" To: "-DUR-SUNDERLAND" Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 11:04 PM Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] 1861/1871/ look up please > Hello All > Would somebody please look up the following on the 1861/ 71 Census > James Douglass born 1840 ish Scotland > Isabella wife born Sunderland. > they were Married in 1860 in Sunderland, sorry this is all I have. > > Many Thanks > Allan Robson > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message > ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to [email protected] with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Tatham Street could also be said to be in the Hendon area. Stan

Hi Heather, It depends on what you mean by the "Bishopwearmouth area"? Historically south of the river was Bishopwearmouth parish, which over the years was formed into other parishes starting with Sunderland parish in 1719. Tatham Street would be in St. Paul's parish after 1854. You can see the parish boundaries of 1831 at http://aesica.dur.ac.uk/pip/singlezoom.asp?img=p2379&ref1=2250 Stan