Hi, I wonder if any one out there has by any chance a photographs of these two schools Green Terrace Bishopwearmouth Cowan Terrace If any one has these I wonder if the would email me copies ,my brother in Australia would love photographs of these schools Many thanks Doris

hello Sunderland, Many thanks to Heather for her prompt and helpful reply concerning Wm Hawdon and his foundry. I will now follow up. Regards Alan

Just copying from the book Geoff so again it is what the book says, not what I call. Best regards Heather Carbis Online Parish Clerk for Morvah Cornwall http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~morvah Visit my Family Tree's at GOODWIN and GORDON http://heatherac.tribalpages.com CARBIS SPARROW ATTWOOLL http://carbissparrow.tribalpages.com JOLLIFFE MOULAND http://jolliffemouland.tribalpages.com --- On Fri, 13/11/09, NEGenealogy@aol.com <NEGenealogy@aol.com> wrote: > Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Seeking HAWDON > To: eng-dur-sunderland@rootsweb.com >     I should also mention that what you have > called  "Willington" and > "Winlation" are both more correctly the village of > Winlaton, on  the hill above > Blaydon. > >                 >                 >                 >                 > Geoff  > Nicholson > >

Hello Alan You may already have all this, and not Michael Hawdon, but on the National Archives site they list a document "Plan of Premises situate at Swalwell belonging to Mr W.G. Hawdon" at Millers Bridge. DT.BEL/2/46 17 April 1849 I believe Swalwell is about one and a half miles from Blaydon so looks like this could be your William's premises. http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/A2A/records.aspx?cat=183-dtbel&cid=-1&Gsm=2008-06-18 And on the Internet Archive site there is the book "Register of Voters for the Northern Division of the County of Durham 1868-1869" under Blaydon is Michael Hawdon and for William George under Willington and William George jun under Winlation. There is also a Joseph Yellowley Hawdon at Blaydon http://www.archive.org/details/registerofvoters00durh Scroll down, or use "edit", "find" and there is reference to a rare manuscript deed for the mortgage on the foundry and mentions William George Hawdon, John Emmerson Hawdon and William George jun. amongst others http://www.durtnall.org.uk/DEEDS/Yorkshire%20511-600.htm Genuki Marriages from the Ryton Registers (1813-1837) http://website.lineone.net/~pjoiner/genuki/DUR/Ryton/RYT1813.html 24 Nov 1818 William George Hawdon = Frances Emmerson Best regards Heather Carbis Online Parish Clerk for Morvah Cornwall http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~morvah Visit my Family Tree's at GOODWIN and GORDON http://heatherac.tribalpages.com CARBIS SPARROW ATTWOOLL http://carbissparrow.tribalpages.com JOLLIFFE MOULAND http://jolliffemouland.tribalpages.com --- On Fri, 13/11/09, Alan Booth <alanbooth@tiscali.co.uk> wrote: Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Seeking HAWDON To: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND@rootsweb.com Heelo List, New enquiry into the HAWDON family of Blaydon. Specifically Michael Hawdon born 10 Oct 1828 Blaydon and his parents Wm Geo Hawdon born 1794 Blaydon. Wm seems to have been an iron founder is his own right. Any further information on this please? Also appreciate information on earlier generations of this family. Thank you Alan Booth, Glos

Heelo List, New enquiry into the HAWDON family of Blaydon. Specifically Michael Hawdon born 10 Oct 1828 Blaydon and his parents Wm Geo Hawdon born 1794 Blaydon. Wm seems to have been an iron founder is his own right. Any further information on this please? Also appreciate information on earlier generations of this family. Thank you Alan Booth, Glos

In a message dated 13/11/2009 16:06:20 GMT Standard Time, heatherachere@yahoo.co.uk writes: And on the Internet Archive site there is the book "Register of Voters for the Northern Division of the County of Durham 1868-1869" under Blaydon is Michael Hawdon and for William George under Willington and William George jun under Winlation. There is also a Joseph Yellowley Hawdon at Blaydon _http://www.archive.org/details/registerofvoters00durh_ (http://www.archive.org/details/registerofvoters00durh) The name where is slightly misleading. The book concerned is the Poll Book of the 1868 election and not the Register of Voters as such, even though it is indeed headed with those words. A Register of Voters is a list of all those who are eligible to vote, should an election be called, and they go back to 1832. A Poll Book is a list of al those who did actually exercise their vote, together with a note of for whom they voted. They go back to the 18th century, if not earlier. The importance of the 1868 Poll Book is that it was the last one - after that the secret ballot came into force. I should also mention that what you have called "Willington" and "Winlation" are both more correctly the village of Winlaton, on the hill above Blaydon. Geoff Nicholson

Thanks very much Stan for your reply regarding the various building extensions at Sunderland Union Workhouse. The Union Schools are interesting. Apart from your reference to when they were opened I can't seem to find any more information about them. TWAS does not seem to list a Union School or Workhouse School. On the later census returns some of the teachers aren described as "industrial school trainers" so I wonder if the school became an "Industrial school" But if so, again it is difficult to find any more references. Can anyone help? Many thanks Rob

Following on from Stan's earlier posting regarding Sunderland War Hospital. The workhouse building that was converted to be used as Sunderland War Hospital, later the Pensions War Hospital and then Geriatric Wards in later years (ie the Chester Road block), seems to have been built between the 1862 and 1883 (it was not on the OS Map of 1861, but is on Routhwaites Plan of the Borough of Sunderland 1883) It's design of two enclosed courtyards clearly suggests that it was for both male and female inmates. Does anyone know why this building was constructed rather than enlarging the original main workhouse building, and which class of inmates were housed here? I have seen somewhere references that in later years it was a "Seamens Block", "Womens Block" and in a 1917 Echo article about the war hospital it was described as part of the Infirmary. I'd be interested to hear however about it's original intended use. Also, does anyone know of any maps other than the OS Maps which depict the workhouse site between 1855 and 1948? Many thanks Rob

The War Hospital which was later developed into the Physiotherapy and Geriatric Wards, was opened in 1917 and consisted of huts. If you go to http://www.workhouses.org.uk/ there is a photograph taken in 1930 from the west which shows the huts in the right foreground of the hospital, in the angle bounded by Kayll Road and Chester Road. The site also gives details of what extensions took place to the site. In 1868, the Union Schools for 200 children were added. The buildings were extended with the addition of lunatic wards for 66 inmates, at a cost of £3,000. These were extended in 1872 at the cost of a further £500. Stan Mapstone

Hello Stan I forgot to add - preparations were made to gradually close Sunderland Pensions War Hospital in 1923 due to a falling demand. There is mention of this in an article in the British Medical Journal http://www.bmj.com/cgi/pdf_extract/1/3251/695 Rob

Hello Stan The various VAD Hospitals in Sunderland were not run by the Ministry of Pensions. During the war they were administered by the Joint War Committee of the British Red Cross and the Order of St. John, overseen by Dame Katherine Furse and later Lady Ampthill, Margaret Lygon Russell. At this time there was no Ministry of Health. A scheme for Voluntary Aid was introduced well before the First World War following the 1907 Territorial Forces and Reserve Act. Jeffrey Hall and Hammerton House VADs were established around 1911; Jeffrey Hall being affiliated to the Order of St. John and Hammerton House to the British Red Cross. The VAD Hospitals received casualties directly in the case of Ashburne House, Hammerton House and Jeffrey Hall; the others received convalescent cases discharged from the larger Sunderland Hospitals (Sunderland Royal Infirmary, Workhouse Infirmary, Sunderland War Hospital) There were also beds used at Sunderland Children's Hospital and Monkwearmouth and Southwick Hospital The Pensions War Hospital evolved from the War Hospital opened in Chester Road in 1917, which utilised part of the Sunderland Union Workhouse to which numerous 'pavillions' were added. Many of these buildings survived on the site of Sunderland District General Hospital (now Sunderland Royal Hospital) until relatively recently. At the end of hostilities the War Hospital became the Pensions War Hospital and was certainly functioning in this role well into the 1920s. The VAD Hospitals closed soon after the end of the war in late 1918 or early 1919 and any remaining patients moved to the (Pensions) War Hospital. There were also a small number of beds reserved for army pensioners at Sunderland Royal Infirmary. Rob

Hi Rob, Thanks for the explanation. The War Hospital had 500 Beds, and apparently was later developed into the Physiotherapy and Geriatric Wards Stan Mapstone -----Original Message----- From: ROB SHEPHERD <robshepherd1974@googlemail.com> To: eng-dur-sunderland@rootsweb.com CC: Stanmapstone@aol.com Sent: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 20:58 Subject: Re: VAD Hospitals Sunderland Hello Stan The Pensions War Hospital evolved from the War Hospital opened in Chester Road in 1917, which utilised part of the Sunderland Union Workhouse to which numerous 'pavillions' were added. Many of these buildings survived on the site of Sunderland District General Hospital (now Sunderland Royal Hospital) until relatively recently. Rob

Hi Rob, Thanks, I already have a print out of that. Stan Mapstone -----Original Message----- From: ROB SHEPHERD <robshepherd1974@googlemail.com> To: eng-dur-sunderland@rootsweb.com CC: Stanmapstone@aol.com Sent: Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:42 Subject: Re: VAD Hospitals Sunderland Hello Stan I forgot to add - preparations were made to gradually close Sunderland Pensions War Hospital in 1923 due to a falling demand. There is mention of this in an article in the British Medical Journal http://www.bmj.com/cgi/pdf_extract/1/3251/695 Rob

Were these the same as the hospitals run by the Ministry of Pensions. In 1921, in the peak year after the first war, there were 67 Ministry of Pensions hospitals. Stan Mapstone

Hi List I wonder if someone could please check the Trade Directories for me and let me know the years the above photographers operated at 135 High St West in Sunderland Thankyou Maureen in Oz

Hi Maureen They were there in 1890 but gone in 1902 Stan Mapstone -----Original Message----- From: Maureen Tokely <mtokely@aanet.com.au> To: sunderland list <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND@rootsweb.com> Sent: Mon, 2 Nov 2009 5:23 Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Bolko and Schmiechen Photographers Hi List wonder if someone could please check the Trade Directories for me and let e know the years the above photographers operated at 135 High St West in underland hankyou aureen in Oz ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

My father joined Sunderland council in about 1919 as an office boy in the accounts department, studying at night school for an accountancy qualification. He rose through the ranks, leaving in 1927 to further his career furhter south, but by that time he wouldn't have been at any substantial level of authority. He had a gold pocket-watch with a chain, worn across the waistcoat, with a medallion which hung from the chain. After he retired he sold the watch and chain but kept the medallion, which I now have, and I asume it was of some sentimental value. It is about an inch in diameter, of 9 carat gold,with a blue enamelled crest which appears to be the sextant of the old Sunderland coat of arms. The hallmark is Birmingham, and although very worn looks like 1918 date-letter. Does anybody know what it might have been for? I assume Sunderland council didn't give these away to junior employees! Adrian

Hello Listers, I am researching a line of the ROBSON family who lived in the Sunderland area of Co. Durham and later moved to Carr Hill, Heworth, Gateshead. Ralph ROBSON married Ann CONSTANTINE on 16 Apr 1843 in Monkwearmouth. I believe that Ann was born in Langcliffe on 19 Aug 1821 (IGI) the daughter of William CONSTANTINE and Ellen REDMAYNE. (IGI has her born in Giggleswick) she is also recorded as coming from Settle in C71. Ralph is possibly the Ralph ROBSON born in Bishopwearmouth on 19 Oct 1808 parents Ralph ROBSON and Sarah ANTHONY. (IGI) He was recorded as a widower on their marriage certificate. The family of Ralph and first wife: Sarah ROBSON bn. about 1833. IGI has a Sarah ROBSON born on 24 Feb 1833 the daughter of Ralph ROBSON and Mary HOLMES who were married on 13 Dec 1829 in Sutherland. In the 1851 census a Sarah is living with the family of Ralph and Ann ROBSON in Carr Hill, Heworth. Children of Ralph and Ann ROBSON: Margaret ROBSON bn abt 1841 Detford (C51) Eleanor ROBSON bn abt 1844 Detford (C51) Ellen bn Sutherland (C61) Frances ROBSON bn abt 1847 Newcastle on Tyne (C51), Sutherland (C61) I think Frances married Charles WALKER in abt 1870. Mary ROBSON bn abt 1850 Gateshead (C51) Mary married George OLIVER in abt 1870 Elizabeth ROBSON bn abt 1850 Heworth (C61) Isabella ROBSON Bn 26 Sep 1854 in Carr Hill, Gateshead. The family were recorded as living in Park Street Gateshead at the time. Isabella married William John BROWN on 13 Apr 1874 in Heworth. William T. ROBSON bn abt 1857 Heworth (C61) William was living with sister Mary Oliver at 5 Romulus Street, Gateshead in 1881 (C81) Margaret A. ROBSON bn abt 1860 Heworth (C61) Mary J. ROBSON bn abt 1866 Heworth (71) Ann is recorded as a widow in the 1871C. Ralph possibly died in 1866 (I am still to check the death record on this) I realise that ROBSON is a very common name in Co. Durham and hope that someone may have turned up something on this line. Thank you all, Kind regards Jan Peasnell/Melbourne/Oz Researching families: Renwick, Brown, Robson, Dunn, Lisk, Yore, McPherson in Co. Durham.

hi Judy I haven't had any replies concerning the Master Mariner and I think as the dates are quite early I think there was more information available after 1845 from what i have been reading. I will try and find out more and keep you informed. Lets keep our fingers crossed. Alison

Hi Alison & list, Re Alison's message below I too am all 'at sea' as to where to find my Master Mariners before 1833. I also have a seaman die between 1826 & 1833 and have no record of him at all. He left a wife & 2 children in Sunderland. I have bought the book 'My Ancestor was a Merchant Seaman' but most of the info seems to be for after 1845 and it hasn't given me any bright ideas yet - but I have only just bought it so haven't read right through it. I would like any ideas of tracing Master Mariners and any ordinary Mariner prior to 1833. Thank you Judy <hello I have been told that my ancestor was a master mariner and I can find a James Forbes from Sunderland on the brig Salus which sailed to Canada in 1833; My question is - is there anyway of finding out more information about him from anywhere in Sunderland? ie when did he get his Master's Certificate and which ships did he sail in etc. thanking you in advance for any help Alison Laing LAFON> France ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.423 / Virus Database: 270.14.34/2463 - Release Date: 10/27/09 15:50:00