Hi Mark, At that date there were the Ballast Hill Bottle Works Ayres Quay, and the Southwick Bottle Works, If you go to http://lewis.dur.ac.uk/pip/singlezoom.asp?img=p2636&ref1=2029 there is a lithograph of Hartley's glass works and at the bottom you san see the three chimneys of the Wear Flint Glass Works on the opposite side of Trimdon Street. Southwick Bottle Works are at http://lewis.dur.ac.uk/pip/singlezoom.asp?img=p2041&ref1=1969 I can send you a photo of the bottle houses at Ayres Quay if you want. Stan Mapstone -----Original Message----- From: Mark Etheridge <mretheridge@googlemail.com> To: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 13:33 Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Bottle works Hello, My great grandfather Robert Gamsby Etheridge was at 15 Lisburn Terrace in 1911. He is recorded as a bottle blower. I wondered if someone could tell what glass works in the area were still in operation in 1911, and also whether there is likely to be any way to trace which works he worked in? I also have seen references to a view of Ayres Quay bottle works, and also a birds eye engraving of Hartleys Wear glass works. Can anyone send me a link to view either of these please? Thanks for your help, Regards, Mark Etheridge Researching ETHERIDGE, STORES, ADAMSON, HOGARTH, GAMSBY, REMMER in Sunderland area. ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Where was the cholera hospital in Sunderland in the 1830s? Clanny wrote “It was rather ominous that the chief nurse at the cholera hospital, as well as the chief nurse at out infirmary, died of epidemic cholera, both of whom I regretted, as they were respectable and trustworthy individuals” and this clearly suggests that the cholera hospital was separate from the Sunderland Infirmary. Mordey and Haslewood wrote “The cholera hospital is situated to the south of the town, in an airy, open situation. The wards were large and lofty. In this establishment four females were employed as nurses and washerwomen, all however, occasionally employed in administering to the patients. Of these, the principal nurse, who was indefatigable in her attention, took the disease in its worst form and died in eight hours. Another, Elizabeth Snipes was attacked with diarrhoea, and other preliminary symptoms. She recovered, but three days afterwards committed an error in diet, was attacked with cholera and recovered” Anyone any ideas where it was? Many thanks Rob

You can read Clanny's book at http://tinyurl.com/ybxkb6r where he mentions the deaths in the Infirmary, the "Cholera Hospital". Page 43, "At our infirmary two wards had been, as it were, set apart, for epidemic cholera, long before its appearance in the town, and several patients, who were removed to it, were happily restored to health." This will be what he means by the Cholera Hospital. Stan Mapstone -----Original Message----- From: Stan Mapstone <stanmapstone@aol.com> To: eng-dur-sunderland@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:52 Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Cholera Hospital When the infirmary, where Dr. Clanny worked, opened there were 20 accident beds, 12 fever beds, and 28 medical beds. During the three outbreaks of cholera, between 1823 and 1843 the medical staff were hard pressed to cope. There was no other "cholera" hospital. Stan Mapstone -----Original Message----- From: Stan Mapstone <stanmapstone@aol.com> To: eng-dur-sunderland@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:38 Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Cholera Hospital The "Cholera Hospital" was the old Infirmary on Chester Road, built in 1822. The Infirmary saw the worst of the Cholera outbreaks that afflicted Sunderland in the 19th Century. After the Infirmary closed in 1867 it was sold to the Primitive Methodists who opened it as a Theological Training Institute in 1868.St. Mary's, the Catholic School, opened in the old building in 1902, and is now part of the university. Stan Mapstone -----Original Message----- From: ROB SHEPHERD <robshepherd1974@googlemail.com> To: eng-dur-sunderland@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:05 Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Cholera Hospital Where was the cholera hospital in Sunderland in the 1830s? Clanny wrote “It was rather ominous that the chief nurse at the cholera hospital, as well as the chief nurse at out infirmary, died of epidemic cholera, both of whom I regretted, as they were respectable and trustworthy individuals” and this clearly suggests that the cholera hospital was separate from the Sunderland Infirmary. Mordey and Haslewood wrote “The cholera hospital is situated to the south of the town, in an airy, open situation. The wards were large and lofty. In this establishment four females were employed as nurses and washerwomen, all however, occasionally employed in administering to the patients. Of these, the principal nurse, who was indefatigable in her attention, took the disease in its worst form and died in eight hours. Another, Elizabeth Snipes was attacked with diarrhoea, and other preliminary symptoms. She recovered, but three days afterwards committed an error in diet, was attacked with cholera and recovered” Anyone any ideas where it was? Many thanks Rob ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

When the infirmary, where Dr. Clanny worked, opened there were 20 accident beds, 12 fever beds, and 28 medical beds. During the three outbreaks of cholera, between 1823 and 1843 the medical staff were hard pressed to cope. There was no other "cholera" hospital. Stan Mapstone -----Original Message----- From: Stan Mapstone <stanmapstone@aol.com> To: eng-dur-sunderland@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:38 Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Cholera Hospital The "Cholera Hospital" was the old Infirmary on Chester Road, built in 1822. The Infirmary saw the worst of the Cholera outbreaks that afflicted Sunderland in the 19th Century. After the Infirmary closed in 1867 it was sold to the Primitive Methodists who opened it as a Theological Training Institute in 1868.St. Mary's, the Catholic School, opened in the old building in 1902, and is now part of the university. Stan Mapstone -----Original Message----- From: ROB SHEPHERD <robshepherd1974@googlemail.com> To: eng-dur-sunderland@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:05 Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Cholera Hospital Where was the cholera hospital in Sunderland in the 1830s? Clanny wrote “It was rather ominous that the chief nurse at the cholera hospital, as well as the chief nurse at out infirmary, died of epidemic cholera, both of whom I regretted, as they were respectable and trustworthy individuals” and this clearly suggests that the cholera hospital was separate from the Sunderland Infirmary. Mordey and Haslewood wrote “The cholera hospital is situated to the south of the town, in an airy, open situation. The wards were large and lofty. In this establishment four females were employed as nurses and washerwomen, all however, occasionally employed in administering to the patients. Of these, the principal nurse, who was indefatigable in her attention, took the disease in its worst form and died in eight hours. Another, Elizabeth Snipes was attacked with diarrhoea, and other preliminary symptoms. She recovered, but three days afterwards committed an error in diet, was attacked with cholera and recovered” Anyone any ideas where it was? Many thanks Rob ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

The "Cholera Hospital" was the old Infirmary on Chester Road, built in 1822. The Infirmary saw the worst of the Cholera outbreaks that afflicted Sunderland in the 19th Century. After the Infirmary closed in 1867 it was sold to the Primitive Methodists who opened it as a Theological Training Institute in 1868.St. Mary's, the Catholic School, opened in the old building in 1902, and is now part of the university. Stan Mapstone -----Original Message----- From: ROB SHEPHERD <robshepherd1974@googlemail.com> To: eng-dur-sunderland@rootsweb.com Sent: Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:05 Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Cholera Hospital Where was the cholera hospital in Sunderland in the 1830s? Clanny wrote “It was rather ominous that the chief nurse at the cholera hospital, as well as the chief nurse at out infirmary, died of epidemic cholera, both of whom I regretted, as they were respectable and trustworthy individuals” and this clearly suggests that the cholera hospital was separate from the Sunderland Infirmary. Mordey and Haslewood wrote “The cholera hospital is situated to the south of the town, in an airy, open situation. The wards were large and lofty. In this establishment four females were employed as nurses and washerwomen, all however, occasionally employed in administering to the patients. Of these, the principal nurse, who was indefatigable in her attention, took the disease in its worst form and died in eight hours. Another, Elizabeth Snipes was attacked with diarrhoea, and other preliminary symptoms. She recovered, but three days afterwards committed an error in diet, was attacked with cholera and recovered” Anyone any ideas where it was? Many thanks Rob ------------------------------- To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Stan and Adrian: Thank you both for your help and guidance. I never come away from this site empty-handed, even when merely soaking up the correspondence. The site and the listers are, as they used to say, "something else". Glad to know that Low Haining is in fact a farm that still exists, even if the Taylors don't. And as for Toronto, DUR, I can't imagine why my parents never told me that tale as I was growing up in Toronto ON. They should have passed on that little gem, (and Quebec DUR, too) along with their stories of the Lambton Worm and Jack Cornwell. Thank you both again, Bruce Dodd

There is also a Quebec, north of Esh Winning. Both Toronto and Quebec are on the Durham GIS site http://gis.durham.gov.uk/website/interMAP/viewer.htm Stan Mapstone -----Original Message----- From: ADRABBOTT@aol.com To: bmdodd@rogers.com; ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 14:49 Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Low Haining Farm The remark about Toronto presumably meant you were not familiar with the illage just outside Bishop Auckland. According to Wikipaedia: A coal baron with land in County Durham was visiting the Canadian city hen he was told that coal had been discovered under his land. He therefore ecided to call the mine Toronto, whence the village also took its name. he Coal Mine, or Coal Pits as they were known in Durham, was called Newton Cap Pit. See the Durham Miners Museum website." can vouch for that because my g.grandfather was a miner at Newton Cap and lived in Toronto. drian ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

The remark about Toronto presumably meant you were not familiar with the village just outside Bishop Auckland. According to Wikipaedia: "A coal baron with land in County Durham was visiting the Canadian city when he was told that coal had been discovered under his land. He therefore decided to call the mine Toronto, whence the village also took its name. The Coal Mine, or Coal Pits as they were known in Durham, was called Newton Cap Pit. See the Durham Miners Museum website." I can vouch for that because my g.grandfather was a miner at Newton Cap and lived in Toronto. Adrian

In the 1890 directory William Taylor is shown as a farmer at Low Haining Farm. In the 1914 directory it is Mrs. Elizabeth Taylor. http://www.historicaldirectories.org Stan Mapstone -----Original Message----- From: Stan Mapstone <stanmapstone@aol.com> To: bmdodd@rogers.com; ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 9:48 Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Low Haining Farm Low Haining is still there. Go to http://gis.durham.gov.uk/website/interMAP/viewer.htm nd enter the coords 435835, 551720 in search which will centre the map on the arm. tan Mapstone -----Original Message----- rom: Bruce Dodd <bmdodd@rogers.com> o: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com ent: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 5:08 ubject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Low Haining Farm i Listers all: have a photo of my father's cousin, Surtees Taylor, seated in a o-wheeled horse-cart whose mud-guard(?) is emblazoned "E J Taylor, Low ining". Surtees was the youngest of several children (whose names I n't know yet), and was a particular pal of my dad's in the rthumberland Hussars. He married a Miss Lambert, according to The Echo. is mother was my grandmother's sister, Lizzie Grundon, married to a lliam Taylor, of Low Haining which, I believe, was near ughton-le-Spring. hinking to catch sight of that family line, I Googled Low Haining, and t only a recent Echo article about the region's newest "organic" farm, ich mentioned only a name not Taylor. or all I know, Low Haining may be the name of a locality rather than of individual farm. oes any of this ring a bell with anyone? I'd be glad of your help. n the same pursuit, I tried Waggonways, a site recently suggested on e List. During a fascinating evening with that site, I found no Low ining, but I did find "Toronto". llo??? What?? ruce Dodd tawa (born in Toronto) ----------------------------- unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of e message = ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Low Haining is still there. Go to http://gis.durham.gov.uk/website/interMAP/viewer.htm and enter the coords 435835, 551720 in search which will centre the map on the farm. Stan Mapstone -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Dodd <bmdodd@rogers.com> To: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Wed, 18 Nov 2009 5:08 Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Low Haining Farm Hi Listers all: I have a photo of my father's cousin, Surtees Taylor, seated in a wo-wheeled horse-cart whose mud-guard(?) is emblazoned "E J Taylor, Low aining". Surtees was the youngest of several children (whose names I on't know yet), and was a particular pal of my dad's in the orthumberland Hussars. He married a Miss Lambert, according to The Echo. His mother was my grandmother's sister, Lizzie Grundon, married to a illiam Taylor, of Low Haining which, I believe, was near oughton-le-Spring. Thinking to catch sight of that family line, I Googled Low Haining, and ot only a recent Echo article about the region's newest "organic" farm, hich mentioned only a name not Taylor. For all I know, Low Haining may be the name of a locality rather than of n individual farm. Does any of this ring a bell with anyone? I'd be glad of your help. In the same pursuit, I tried Waggonways, a site recently suggested on he List. During a fascinating evening with that site, I found no Low aining, but I did find "Toronto". ello??? What?? Bruce Dodd ttawa (born in Toronto) ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message =

Hi Listers all: I have a photo of my father's cousin, Surtees Taylor, seated in a two-wheeled horse-cart whose mud-guard(?) is emblazoned "E J Taylor, Low Haining". Surtees was the youngest of several children (whose names I don't know yet), and was a particular pal of my dad's in the Northumberland Hussars. He married a Miss Lambert, according to The Echo. His mother was my grandmother's sister, Lizzie Grundon, married to a William Taylor, of Low Haining which, I believe, was near Houghton-le-Spring. Thinking to catch sight of that family line, I Googled Low Haining, and got only a recent Echo article about the region's newest "organic" farm, which mentioned only a name not Taylor. For all I know, Low Haining may be the name of a locality rather than of an individual farm. Does any of this ring a bell with anyone? I'd be glad of your help. In the same pursuit, I tried Waggonways, a site recently suggested on the List. During a fascinating evening with that site, I found no Low Haining, but I did find "Toronto". Hello??? What?? Bruce Dodd Ottawa (born in Toronto)

Robin I recently obtained the records of a relative who was in a reform school in 1901 but if you have relevant details of the person you might be able to get the record to see why they were there Cheers Pat ----- Original Message ----- From: <robin@scottishwool.com> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2009 6:53 PM Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Gardner 1891 > Where can I find out more about the Girls Reformatory Schools in Tatham > Street? > Were these girls actually criminals or simply in need of care? > > I have found one of our elusive GARDNER family in the 1891 Census. > RG12/4139/21/35 > She is listed as Jane Gardner age 17 born Cranborough Northumberland > (actual > birth was Jan 1874 in Cranberry Farm, Dumfriesshire but the family were > from > Northumberland and moved back there about 1876). > > > She went on to become a Registered Nurse working for the Red Cross in > China. > > Her parents are not yet found in 1891 but at least four of the children > are > in institutions (Ragged, Reformatory and Industrial schools) > > We have family story that the parents 'fell on hard times' ... So now > wonder > which institution they will be in and under what names??? > > They are James Amory GARDNER (b 1848 Alnwick ) and Henrietta Jane nee > FENWICK (born Oct 1846 Heckley House Northumberland) > > > > Regards > > Robin > > > > > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message

Hello Everybody, I am looking for information about WILLIAM MARTIN & his family, WILLIAM was a Doctor in the EASINGTON area 1911 to about 1950, after the death of his wife WILLIAM then married ROSE COLE 1938 (Easington) I know that he had a son WILLIAM. G. N. MARTIN and this son had two daughters born in the SUNDERLAND area. If there is any other person researching this family or can help with information would they kindly get in touch, thank you. Regards, Syd

Thanks Stan I had read the archive and am interested in how a 17 year old got to be in the Reformatory Her sister was in the Reformatory in Doncaster Robin

Where can I find out more about the Girls Reformatory Schools in Tatham Street? Were these girls actually criminals or simply in need of care? I have found one of our elusive GARDNER family in the 1891 Census. RG12/4139/21/35 She is listed as Jane Gardner age 17 born Cranborough Northumberland (actual birth was Jan 1874 in Cranberry Farm, Dumfriesshire but the family were from Northumberland and moved back there about 1876). She went on to become a Registered Nurse working for the Red Cross in China. Her parents are not yet found in 1891 but at least four of the children are in institutions (Ragged, Reformatory and Industrial schools) We have family story that the parents 'fell on hard times' ... So now wonder which institution they will be in and under what names??? They are James Amory GARDNER (b 1848 Alnwick ) and Henrietta Jane nee FENWICK (born Oct 1846 Heckley House Northumberland) Regards Robin

The Reformatory School Act 1854, substituted the school for the gaol. All judicial benches were empowered to send delinquents to schools when they had been guilty of acts punishable by short imprisonment, the limit of which was at first fourteen and became afterwards ten days. A serious flaw in this act long survived; this was the provision that a short period of imprisonment in gaol must precede reception into the reformatory; well-meaning, but mistaken people upheld it as essential for deterrence. More enlightened opinion condemned the rule as inflicting an indelible prison taint and breeding contamination, even with ample and effective safeguards. Wiser legislation has followed, and an act of 1899 abolished preliminary imprisonment. They receive all juvenile offenders, up to the age of sixteen, who had been convicted of an offence punishable with penal servitude or imprisonment. Older offenders, between sixteen and twenty-one, come within the category of juvenile adults and were dealt with differently. http://1911encyclopedia.org/index.htm Stan Mapstone -----Original Message----- From: robin@scottishwool.com <robin@scottishwool.com> To: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 10:53 Subject: Re: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Gardner 1891 Tatham Street Reformatory Thanks Stan I had read the archive and am interested in how a 17 year old got to be in he Reformatory Her sister was in the Reformatory in Doncaster Robin ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Sorry, that takes you to the page I gave before. Go to http://www.workhouses.org.uk/ then "Other Establishments" "Reformatories and Industrial Schools" then "History" Stan Mapstone -----Original Message----- From: Stan Mapstone <stanmapstone@aol.com> To: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 9:44 Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Gardner 1891 Tatham Street Reformatory See also http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?IS/England.shtml tan Mapstone ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

See also http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?IS/England.shtml Stan Mapstone

There were two schools in Tatham Street, the Girls' Industrial at 4 Tatham Street and the Girls' Reformatory at 3 Tatham Street. An industrial school was a residential school established under the Reformatories and Industrial Schools Act 1857 to provide vocational education for children in need in England and Wales. Merged with reformatories to create the approved school system in 1933. This has been asked on the list before see http://archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com/th/read/eng-dur-sunderland/2005-11/1132429068 There is a photograph at http://www.workhouses.org.uk/index.html?IS/England.shtml Stan Mapstone -----Original Message----- From: robin@scottishwool.com <robin@scottishwool.com> To: ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Tue, 17 Nov 2009 8:23 Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] Gardner 1891 Where can I find out more about the Girls Reformatory Schools in Tatham treet? ere these girls actually criminals or simply in need of care? I have found one of our elusive GARDNER family in the 1891 Census. G12/4139/21/35 he is listed as Jane Gardner age 17 born Cranborough Northumberland (actual irth was Jan 1874 in Cranberry Farm, Dumfriesshire but the family were from orthumberland and moved back there about 1876). he went on to become a Registered Nurse working for the Red Cross in China. Her parents are not yet found in 1891 but at least four of the children are n institutions (Ragged, Reformatory and Industrial schools) We have family story that the parents 'fell on hard times' ... So now wonder hich institution they will be in and under what names??? They are James Amory GARDNER (b 1848 Alnwick ) and Henrietta Jane nee ENWICK (born Oct 1846 Heckley House Northumberland) Regards Robin ------------------------------ o unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com ith the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of he message

Hello all, And on a similiar note, any photos of Hylton Road Junior School, opposite The Plaza bingo ? Cheers Andrew ----- Original Message ----- From: "John.harker" <john.harker@ntlworld.com> To: <ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-L@rootsweb.com> Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 2:20 PM Subject: [ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND] schools > Hi, I wonder if any one out there has by any chance a photographs of these > two schools > Green Terrace Bishopwearmouth > Cowan Terrace > If any one has these I wonder if the would email me copies ,my brother in > Australia would love photographs of these schools > Many thanks > Doris > > ------------------------------- > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > ENG-DUR-SUNDERLAND-request@rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' > without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message