As a second home owner (Wareham) I must say I would never dream of seeking to interfere with local customs. The bells of Lady St Mary are truly beautiful and if they rang early I wouldn't mind! We spend all the time we can in Dorset and would love not to live in London at all Ros

As someone who has lived all his life (57 years and counting) in this area, this sort of thing makes me very sad. I fully agree with Geoffrey's sentiments. But let's be careful here - Helen might construe this as a political thread if we're not careful!! Alan A J Brown Living in Bournemouth, England http://www.ajbrown.eu.com -----Original Message----- From: Mary Voller [mailto:mary@foxprowl.screaming.net] Sent: 09 June 2003 08:47 To: ENG-DORSET-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: Re: [DOR-LIFE] Stoke Abbot Bells Hi Helen, I think what isn't said speaks loudly. Where does the owner of the holiday home live ? Is this another case of centuries old tradition being swept away because of 'Human Rights' ? What about the Rights of the village as a whole ? Mary (please reply to yaffles@waitrose.com) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Jones" <hsj@melcombe.freeserve.co.uk> To: <> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 9:19 PM Subject: [DOR-LIFE] Stoke Abbot Bells > Those of you with Stoke Abbot interests might like this little story > which has somehow made the national press. > > Apparantly a 7am curfew has been rung in Stoke Abbot for generations. > This consists of 100 rings of the Church Bell every day from the start > of May will the end of September (the current bellringer has been > ringing the bell, unpaid, for the last 20 years!) Many villagers > apparantly use it as their morning alarm call. > > Now the time has been put forward to 7.45 due to complaints from the > owner of a holiday cottage in the village. He says there have been > comments in his guest book along the lines of 'please strangle > quasimodo'! Some of the > villagers are up in arms about this, claiming that this has broken an > old tradition - and they are over-sleeping without the bells. Others > can't see what the fuss is about. All in all it has caused a right old > fuss which first hit the pages of the local editions of the Dorset > Echo and which was then picked up by the some of the National > Newspapers (who must be short of > news!) Of course here in England papers often like to run features > about holiday makers and/or incomers to rural areas trying to change rural > traditions because they find them inconvenient - so they liked this story. > > Whatever the rights and wrongs of the issue, the Daily Telegraph had rather > a nice photo of Stoke Abbot! > > Helen > > > > > Helen Jones, Weymouth, Dorset http://www.melcombe.freeserve.co.uk > List Admin Rootsweb Eng Dorset & Scammell Lists, and > British Genealogy Eng-Dorset, Surnames & Forenames list > > > ==== ENG-DORSET-LIFE Mailing List ==== > Look at the website for the Office of National Statistics for information about the census and ordering certificates > http://www.statistics.gov.uk > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > > ==== ENG-DORSET-LIFE Mailing List ==== For old maps, see the Landmark Map site http://www.old-maps.co.uk/ ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Dear all, Must add my contribution! I always felt that Stoke Abbott was a delightfully English village, free from the corruption of what is laughingly called the 'Home Counties' - they're not my home and never will be! The unspeakable arrogance of these incomers really gets to me. Just because they can afford to buy property at vastly infalted prices, thus preventing the youngsters born in the villages from continuing to live on their native patch, they think they own the world! Exactly the same thing has happened in the Lake District and now the taint is spreading to the whole of Cumbria. House prices have risen alarmingly over the past few years and, once again, the young folkk can't afford to buy. I see no solution, but when Carlisle and the surrounding area becomes commuter belt, what hope is there for the rest of the country? Ring the bells at 7.00 am! If they don't like it, they can move back to their polluted environments in the cities and let the Darzet volk get on with their loives!! Iain, from Brampton, Cumbria, A Dorset exile in the Far North

Not so long ago there was a thread "Dorset - a nice place to live?" By selling off our land and houses to profitmakers, we are selling our souls, traditions and even landscapes to the devil. The charm of Dorset stemmed from the fact that it was quite isolated. The "improvement" of train and road services mean that Dorchester is only a couple of hours from London, and people could almost commute! This puts the land prices up, tempts local authorities to sell of land that suddenly becomes available for building, and attracts the kind of people you mention in Stoke Abbot. Let them go to Brighton or Blackpool! Not that I have anything against those places, if you like the perfume of fried onions and tender but over-decibelled voice of the bingo-caller, much better than a lousy, rusty old bell. I live in Provence, have done for 40yrs, and if you have read Peter Mayle's "A Year in Provence" you cannot imagine the changes that have happened in what was a totally rural countryside over the last ten years! Up to a point that P Mayle - the guilty party - decided the place was going to the dogs and packed up his bongos and left us with the bus-loads of Japanese looking for his house - which he of course sold off at considerable profit! Down here the examples of zityvolk not integrating are numerous - Farmer had to kill his cock because the neighbouring Paris lawyer (who spends one a month a year in the house) complained to the police - who of course said he was right. - Farmer sued for damages because this other man's car skidded on sheep droppings left on the road. Farmer lost! - Farmer sued for damages because lady irremediably soiled £300 pair of shoes, again because the sheep were badly house-trained! FARMER WON HIS CASE!! HOOORAAAAY! I know it's all part and parcel of the incomprehensible place the world is, but do I really have to find a cave in the outback of Oz to find some peace? I'll have to watch out for the sheep-droppings though!! Geoff

Hi Helen, I think what isn't said speaks loudly. Where does the owner of the holiday home live ? Is this another case of centuries old tradition being swept away because of 'Human Rights' ? What about the Rights of the village as a whole ? Mary (please reply to yaffles@waitrose.com) ----- Original Message ----- From: "Helen Jones" <hsj@melcombe.freeserve.co.uk> To: <> Sent: Sunday, June 08, 2003 9:19 PM Subject: [DOR-LIFE] Stoke Abbot Bells > Those of you with Stoke Abbot interests might like this little story which > has somehow made the national press. > > Apparantly a 7am curfew has been rung in Stoke Abbot for generations. This > consists of 100 rings of the Church Bell every day from the start of May > will the end of September (the current bellringer has been ringing the > bell, unpaid, for the last 20 years!) Many villagers apparantly use it as > their morning alarm call. > > Now the time has been put forward to 7.45 due to complaints from the owner > of a holiday cottage in the village. He says there have been comments in > his guest book along the lines of 'please strangle quasimodo'! Some of the > villagers are up in arms about this, claiming that this has broken an old > tradition - and they are over-sleeping without the bells. Others can't see > what the fuss is about. All in all it has caused a right old fuss which > first hit the pages of the local editions of the Dorset Echo and which was > then picked up by the some of the National Newspapers (who must be short of > news!) Of course here in England papers often like to run features > about holiday makers and/or incomers to rural areas trying to change rural > traditions because they find them inconvenient - so they liked this story. > > Whatever the rights and wrongs of the issue, the Daily Telegraph had rather > a nice photo of Stoke Abbot! > > Helen > > > > > Helen Jones, Weymouth, Dorset > http://www.melcombe.freeserve.co.uk > List Admin Rootsweb Eng Dorset & Scammell Lists, and > British Genealogy Eng-Dorset, Surnames & Forenames list > > > ==== ENG-DORSET-LIFE Mailing List ==== > Look at the website for the Office of National Statistics for information about the census and ordering certificates > http://www.statistics.gov.uk > > ============================== > To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: > http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 > > >

Those of you with Stoke Abbot interests might like this little story which has somehow made the national press. Apparantly a 7am curfew has been rung in Stoke Abbot for generations. This consists of 100 rings of the Church Bell every day from the start of May will the end of September (the current bellringer has been ringing the bell, unpaid, for the last 20 years!) Many villagers apparantly use it as their morning alarm call. Now the time has been put forward to 7.45 due to complaints from the owner of a holiday cottage in the village. He says there have been comments in his guest book along the lines of 'please strangle quasimodo'! Some of the villagers are up in arms about this, claiming that this has broken an old tradition - and they are over-sleeping without the bells. Others can't see what the fuss is about. All in all it has caused a right old fuss which first hit the pages of the local editions of the Dorset Echo and which was then picked up by the some of the National Newspapers (who must be short of news!) Of course here in England papers often like to run features about holiday makers and/or incomers to rural areas trying to change rural traditions because they find them inconvenient - so they liked this story. Whatever the rights and wrongs of the issue, the Daily Telegraph had rather a nice photo of Stoke Abbot! Helen Helen Jones, Weymouth, Dorset http://www.melcombe.freeserve.co.uk List Admin Rootsweb Eng Dorset & Scammell Lists, and British Genealogy Eng-Dorset, Surnames & Forenames list

This is just to advise you that last year's BUGBEAR virus has returned in a new, more virulent form. This is the virus which replies to messages, forges email addresses using the contents of a victims address book and which will take a random subject line from a victim's in box. It is nasty - it tries to disable virus checkers and it can infect you through the preview pane of outlook express so if you use OE set it so that the messages do not open automatically when you scroll through them. If you do not have virus protection then do not use you computer for email again until you have some. If you have an automatic update check that you have had one within the last 24 hours, if not, then do a manual update. If you have to manually update your virus checker, do it now before you do anything else. Do NOT open any unsolicited attachments - even if you recognise the address or the subject line. If you are going to send an attachemnt to someone, send them an email first to let them know. I am cross posting this to both my Eng Dorset lists. Neither Rootsweb nor British Genealogy.com allow attachments so you cannot catch the virus via the list - but the virus may well forge part of these addresses if any of our subscribers are infected. Remember that all virus discussion is off topic except for warnings such as this sent by one of the list admins. If you have any questions or comments to make please contact me off list - but update that virus protection first!! Helen Helen Jones, Weymouth, Dorset http://www.melcombe.freeserve.co.uk List Admin Rootsweb Eng Dorset & Scammell Lists, and British Genealogy Eng-Dorset, Surnames & Forenames list

Thanks to all the kind folk who gave me the sad news that Priddy was not near the Dorset border. T'is tears of sadness I weep and no love for life to make it worse. John In beautiful Canberra. Capitol of OZ

Some weeks ago someone had a Q about the above. I looked in "Bryanston, picture of a family" by Marjorie Portman. This book has a picture of the Rogers coat of arms (not a very good picture tho') You can see Bryanston House in the background (the one that is now a private school) Underneath it says "Bryanston House, with the arms of the Rogers family, about 1658. This oil painting was found in the Berni Inn, Taunton, which in the 15 century was the Portman town House." I do not remember any mention of the Rogers family in the book but it is sometime since I read it. The book is part fiction based on some very strong facts. I know I lived in Bryanston and its environs for over 20 yrs so any q's don't hesitate to em. Christine (now in Calgary!)

Hello D-Life Listers, I have found an event in the LDS that interests me. It took place at PRIDDY Somerset. I cannot find PRIDDY on my maps. Can someone help me out as to just where PRIDDY is? I will love you for life if you tell me it is near the DORSET border. John In beautiful Canberra. Capitol of OZ

Try putting "Bradford Abbas" (in inverted commas) into a Search Engine such as Google (www.google.com). I just tried it and got something like 100 references! Alan A J Brown Living in Bournemouth, England http://www.ajbrown.eu.com -----Original Message----- From: valdoran@eircom.net [mailto:valdoran@eircom.net] Sent: 03 June 2003 10:28 To: ENG-DORSET-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [DOR-LIFE] Re Bradford Abbas Can anyone tell me about Bradford Abbas, what size is it, which parish, which council, any good websites about it. Thanks Valerie ==== ENG-DORSET-LIFE Mailing List ==== The Dorset Museum homepage can be found at: http://home.clara.net/dorset.museum ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

I would say that the large e-mails were almost certainly the cause of Geoff's problems. Many ISP allocate surprisingly small amounts of space on their computers to individual mail boxes, and once these are filled, incoming messages are refused, and Rootsweb then unsubs for the reasons Helen outlined yesterday. Alan A J Brown Living in Bournemouth, England http://www.ajbrown.eu.com -----Original Message----- From: Geoffrey EVEREST [mailto:geoffrey.everest@free.fr] Sent: 03 June 2003 08:13 To: ENG-DORSET-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [DOR-LIFE] Back to normal??? I have so far not received another message unsubbing me, so maybe ...... Thanks to all those who came up with possible remedies, but I think the reason was that my 12yr old niece - who knows more about computers than I ever will - sent me two very long webcam videos that took me over an hour to download (yes my material is already obsolete!). I don't know how much space is available in our individual mailboxes, but since I deleted these things I have had no further problems. Do the experts out there consider this to be a plausible explanation? Thanks again to all Geoff ==== ENG-DORSET-LIFE Mailing List ==== The Dorset Museum homepage can be found at: http://home.clara.net/dorset.museum ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Hi john Sorry to say that it is nowhere near the Dorset border but high on the Mendips, near Wells and Cheddar. It is the site of a famous sheep fair which is still held and is said to be the last place on earth that God made. It always rains when I go there. Regards Pat W Bruton Somerset Researching Somerset -BEALE-KEEN-BRISTER-WILLIAMS-STOCK-HAWKEY Dorset - KEECH-DUNHAM-ACKERMAN-IRONSIDE-LEA-WALLIS-HOUNSELL-SAINT-RUSSELL-WOODSFO RD Durham - WARDELL-CHAPMAN-METHLEY Yorkshire - JEFFREY-DOBSON-DOYLE-MAUGHAN-CLIFFORD-BARKER-WADE-SWALE-ENGLAND-BECK-WAR DMAN -CARMALT -----Original Message----- From: J Weeks [mailto:jwweeks@ozemail.com.au] Sent: 03 June 2003 13:41 To: ENG-DORSET-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [DOR-LIFE] Where is it??? Hello D-Life Listers, I have found an event in the LDS that interests me. It took place at PRIDDY Somerset. I cannot find PRIDDY on my maps. Can someone help me out as to just where PRIDDY is? I will love you for life if you tell me it is near the DORSET border. John In beautiful Canberra. Capitol of OZ ==== ENG-DORSET-LIFE Mailing List ==== For Looks Up in Dorset resources by list members, http://www.melcombe.freeserve.co.uk/dorset/lookups.htm ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237

Can anyone tell me about Bradford Abbas, what size is it, which parish, which council, any good websites about it. Thanks Valerie

I have so far not received another message unsubbing me, so maybe ...... Thanks to all those who came up with possible remedies, but I think the reason was that my 12yr old niece - who knows more about computers than I ever will - sent me two very long webcam videos that took me over an hour to download (yes my material is already obsolete!). I don't know how much space is available in our individual mailboxes, but since I deleted these things I have had no further problems. Do the experts out there consider this to be a plausible explanation? Thanks again to all Geoff

Just to thank one and all - and especially Helen - I seem to have come back to life albeit perhaps temporarily but only time will tell. Clumsy sentence. I never really liked computers, but are useful, and sometimes fun. Now I'm downhearted - but on the other hand you find your real friends when the going gets tough. Thanks to all Geoff

Geoffery - I have sent you an email which has bounced. The message I sent to the list has not (yet) bounced back to me from your address though I suspect it will. In the remote chance that you are still getting list messages, this is the message on the failure note. It looks like you have ISP problems <geoffrey.everest@free.fr>: Sorry, no mailbox here by that name. (#5.1.1) I am probably wasting my time in sending this to the list as I don't think Geoffery will recieve it and I apologise to everyone else for having to send it to the list Helen. Helen Jones, Weymouth, Dorset http://www.melcombe.freeserve.co.uk List Admin Rootsweb Eng Dorset & Scammell Lists, and British Genealogy Eng-Dorset, Surnames & Forenames list

Just got messages from several lists saying I'm listwise dead because messages are bouncing. Before they hang & quarter me - and if this one gets through - what did I do? Geoff

At 18:56 02/06/2003 +0200, Geoffrey EVEREST wrote: > Just got messages from several lists saying I'm listwise dead because >messages are bouncing. Before they hang & quarter me - and if this one gets >through - what did I do? > > > Geoff > Your ISP may have a problem. You only need 3 or 4 messages in succession to bounce and the computer will automatically remove you to prevent bounced messages clogging up the system, and will send you a message saying that you have been unsubbed. You won't have done anything unless your mail box is full or you have installed some sort of spam filter. AOL subscribers are currently having problems as AOL seems to be bouncing all rootsweb mail as spam and it is hard to write to tell the people who have bounced off because I only have to mention the R word (Rootsweb) and my personal messages will also bounce. People bounce off mailing lists all the time - don't take it personally. Just resub. If you bounce off again ask the list administrator to forward you a copy of the bounce notification and contact your ISP All the best Helen Helen Jones, Weymouth, Dorset http://www.melcombe.freeserve.co.uk List Admin Rootsweb Eng Dorset & Scammell Lists, and British Genealogy Eng-Dorset, Surnames & Forenames list

Hi John I have an interest in Sherborne where my Bunter, Chant, Noakes families were from. A lot of branches from my lines moved away starting in the 1840's and continued up to the 1920's. Being mostly rural workers and with family members being too high in number for available work, most appear to have moved to places where workers were in demand. Some went to Australia, New Zealand, the US and Canada while others moved to London or other emerging large industrial cities and are often found in them or nearby where industries supporting the city were based. It is also noticable that many Dorset men became fisherman (we call them deckhands these days on Crayfish boats) that helped bring in the catch for the ship's captain. These boats often went as far as Newfoundland's fishing grounds. While Abandonment is one possible explanation others could include being absent from family away seeking work in other counties? went overseas to establish a new home planning to send for the them when finacially secure but died soon after arriving as at times occurred? was out atsea on a fishing boat or basecamped Newfoundland? Died somewhere in Dorset but not Sherborne? Have you any details on the family after 1901 as any census is just a snapshot of one day and he could have been back with the family a week later? Have you checked other sources that came after 1901? regards Michael Cheeseman -----Original Message----- From: john Halliday [mailto:john@norsey0.fsnet.co.uk] Sent: Monday, 2 June 2003 1:59 AM To: ENG-DORSET-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [DOR-LIFE] subscribe i am interested in dorset life,particularly "cornhill" sherborne Dorset where my grandfather Charles Lewis Halliday worked in 1891(aged 26) with his wife Florence and baby william3 months.No trace has been found of Charles after this date (his wife and son appear in the 1901 Census and rumour has it he deseted them. Having reached a dead end in tracing him I am interested in what Newspapers might have existed at this time,how I could access them and what local Happenings might persuade a young man to leave his family eg Wars etc . I checked the names in Boer war with no luck ==== ENG-DORSET-LIFE Mailing List ==== To unsubscribe from ENG-DORSET-LIFE Digest mode send a message to ENG-DORSET-LIFE-D-REQUEST@rootsweb.com with just the word unsubscribe in the subject line and message body. ============================== To join Ancestry.com and access our 1.2 billion online genealogy records, go to: http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=571&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 19/05/03 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.483 / Virus Database: 279 - Release Date: 19/05/03