At 20:46 07/01/2004 -0500, Bm1784mb@aol.com wrote: >Hello HelenI am with aoland I seem to get all the messages from you and the >rest of the list. >Happy new year Brian > > Yes the AOL problem seems to be resolved - for the moment! The messages have now stopped bouncing and I understand from others that messages are now getting through again. I know some subscribers I contacted did contact AOL themselves, as did subscribers to other affected Rootsweb lists. However the problem of ISPs filtering out mailing list mail as spam seems to be with us permanently, and now seems to be the most common reason for list mail bouncing - that and people setting up their own spam filters and forgetting to include the mailing lists on their list of acceptable addresses! Happy New Year everyone! Helen Helen Jones, Weymouth, Dorset helen@melcombe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.melcombe.freeserve.co.uk

From my childhood memories - these ladies look like the house maids or if in an hotel - waitresses. When I bought my own house they did not come with purchase. I removed the bells as nobody came when I rang them! Bernard http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/lgoff/Mary%20Elizabeth%20Lane.jpg

Hi Sue <<A fellow OPC has asked me if I can find out about the location of the old mill in Preston, also for info about Alma Villa and a Laurelston Cottage also in Preston.   Where would I start looking?>> It might be worth trying the Mills Archive for info on the old mill. They have a website with a searchable database which contains quite a lot of information on Dorset mills. http://www.millsarchive.com Hope you will be lucky Regards Maureen Bowler Caerphilly, South Wales <Mmbowler1@aol.com

Paul, What a find in the Navy List! At present I am not able to place this gentleman, but you are probably correct in saying there would be a connection to Bridport. My guess is that the was actually from Dorchester, as this where the GUNDRYs had a house. I do not think he is from Bridport itself or from Bothenhampton. I wonder if he was Radford GUNDRY MEECH or Radford Grundry MEECH? The social standing of the GUNTRYs and the MEECHs of Bothenhampton were a little different at this time in the mid 19th century. My uncle, A.B. Stanley Ernest MEECH, died in RN Hospital, Haslar, while posted to HMS Victory in 1931. I will make some investigations and let the list know what comes up. Bernard

Hello HelenI am with aoland I seem to get all the messages from you and the rest of the list. Happy new year Brian

On Sat 03 Jan 2004, Paul Benyon wrote: >Circa late 1809: Lieutenant Matthew Gray reports in his entry in >the Naval Biographical Dictionary (NBD) that prior to sailing in >HMS Thalia to the West Indies, in one of the frigate's boats, and >while in attendance of the King, off Weymouth, assisted in saving >the royal barge ; an occasion on which the late Sir Harry Neale lost >his son. Having checked the Weymouth reports in the Sherborne Mercury between May 1809 and June 1810, the following is the only incident involving loss of life in connection with a Royal vessel: "Weymouth, October 13 [1809] The following very melancholy accident happened here on Monday evening last: As a boat was coming into the harbour from the Royal Sovereign yacht, in passing the bar a squall of wind upset the boat, and we are sorry to have to add, that Mr. John Burrard, Midshipman, and the son of General Sir Harry Burrard, was drowned, every exertion to save him proving unsuccessful. He was a young man of excellent character, and very amiable manners. The other persons in the boat were fortunately saved. It has blown a violent eastern gale all this week. The men of war rode it out in safety; but the Royal Sovereign yacht, on Wednesday, was in a dangerous situation, and excited great anxiety for her fate. Mr. Kerridge, one of the pilots of the town, in consequence of the signals made, and in the midst of the gale brought her safe into the harbour, to the great joy of a great assemblage of spectators met together on the pier to witness her approach." The Royal barge is apparently undamaged only a week later: "Weymouth October 20 [1809] He [the Duke of York] accompanying his royal sisters to the barge; the morning being beautifully fine they took the benefit of the sea air for near two hours." The only mention of names occurring in your incident are as follows:: "Weymouth September 22 [1809] Tuesday, the weather being remarkably fine the Prince of Wales, the Duke of Cambridge, and the Princesses Mary and Amelia, attended by Sir H.B. NEALE, Lady NEALE, &c, &c, went in the King's barge to the Royal Sovereign yacht, and got under weigh, with the Narcissus and Thames frigates, and had a very pleasant excursion." Also, King George III did not vist Weymouth after 1805, so your man cannot have been "in attendance of the King, off Weymouth" in 1809. Dave Hills, Dorchester

Whilst doing some transcribing from the 1844 Navy List I came across the following entry for a Lieutenant Radford Gundry Meech, RN ; with a name like that I could only think of Bridport and the rope and sail making industry. Lieutenant Meech joined the RN as a First Class volunteer, onboard HMS BRITANNIA, 100, on 25 Sep 1803, which was employed in the [English] Channel and then in the Mediterranean, during which time he was promoted to Midshipman and served at Trafalgar, 21 Oct 1805. He was then transferred to HMS ROYAL GEORGE, 100, flag ship for Sir John Duckworth and went on [what was, ISTR, the notably unsuccessful] expedition to the Dardanells (sic) in Feb 1807. Over the next three years Mr Meech served onboard the Brunswick,74, Owen Glendower, 36, Namur, 74, and Neptune, 98, which variously operated in the North Sea, Baltic, and West Indies. In March 1810, he was appointed Acting Lieutenant of the frigate FREIJA, for 3 months, then stationed in the West Indies and was confirmed Lieutenant on 15 Jun 1810, being transferred to the ORION, 74, which operated in the Baltic region until January 1813 [that would be excluding winter time when RN ships were withdrawn for fear of being iced in for the duration] Following the end of the Napoleonic Wars and [I think] the War of 1812, he was appointed to the WESER, 44, on 19 May 1815, which served on the North America Station, returning the following November. Lieutenant Meech's name continues to appear in the Navy List up until 1849, disappearing in 1850, and no further appointments are mentioned in the source for the above, ie the Naval Biographical Dictionary, so I would guess he would have remained on half pay until he probably passed away in about 1849 ? Paul 50.33.50N 02.26.70W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Just wondering if anybody might be able to identify what type of uniforms these ladies are wearing in this photo. The one on the left is supposed to be my grandmother, Mary Elizabeth Lane. Taken between 1900 and 1910 when she would have been 15 to 25 years old. We know she worked at several hotels or resorts along the south coast of England. http://www3.sk.sympatico.ca/lgoff/Mary%20Elizabeth%20Lane.jpg Ralph in Sask.

Happy New Year Listers. A fellow OPC has asked me if I can find out about the location of the old mill in Preston, also for info about Alma Villa and a Laurelston Cottage also in Preston. Where would I start looking? Thanks in advance. Sue

>Forwarded for Elizabeth - elizgh@btinternet.com - can anyone help her >with Bere Regis? It is not possible, however to send scans to the list - there is a 10KB size limit and attachments are not accepted because of the risk of viruses. Incidentally I have now been told that the name Bundol/Bundole/Bundall was found in 16-18th century Dorset , especially around Toller Fratrum. The name Bundy was also reasonably common. Both had pratically died out by the start of the 19th century. Helen >Hi Helen, this is a useful email on Bundy . I agree I have never heard >Bundhole, but I do have Bundock in Norfolk, sorry to confuse things. I have >also been saying Bundhole, and come up with Bundle, and B misread for R >Rundle.....fascinating !!! And if you write Bundhole could the le be k , >not too much difference , . I would actually like to see the original >source of Bundhole. Maybe the lister can find the original and scan it in >for general consumption . > Small thought , what , if anything , is transcribed for Bere Regis. >Looking for a Torvill / Torvell/ Torell etc, Benjamin Peter and James sons >of James and Sarah circa 1760 - ish ? > Yrs Elizabeth > > > > > Helen Jones, Weymouth, Dorset helen@melcombe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.melcombe.freeserve.co.uk

AOL is treating Rootsweb mail as spam and therefore bouncing it. I don't know if it is every message or if it is intermittent, but I have just written to every AOL subscriber on this list to let them know the problem. It is not affecting every rootsweb list - just those on the Lists 2 server which includes Dorset Life. If you want to reply to any messages you see from AOL subscribers, it may be best to reply to them off list, or to copy the reply to their personal address as well. If the reply goes to the list, then they may not receive it. Helen Helen Jones, Weymouth, Dorset helen@melcombe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.melcombe.freeserve.co.uk

At 02:29 04/01/2004 +0000, you wrote: HI Bernard Bundy is a name in its own right - I have come across it occasionally whilst looking for Bungys (mainly in Hampshire and Wiltshire), but I have to admit that I have never, ever, come across the name Bundhole anywhere. As you are probaly aware, entering the name into the 1851/891 Dorset census CD rom and also into the 1881 National Census CD rom brings up a nil result. Bundy is not terribly common either - four single examples in Dorset in 1851. They were in the general Cranbourne area (where I have also found BUngys). Reaney and Wilson in "A Dictionary of English Surnames' gives Bundy as a variant of Bond but has nothing remotely resembling Bundhole. Did you have just the one family - could the name have arising from a spelling error in a register? Just wondered how many examples of the name you had and where you found these examples. If there is just one single family bearing a name then there is a good chance that it was a originally something else and the name got changed somehow, either through error (phonetic, transcription) or by design. I assume you are wondering whether the family emmigrated hence the sudden absence of the name from both Shipton Gorge, and, it seems, the country as a whole. Certainly worth pursuing as the Speedy Clipper left from the right place at the right time. This goes to show the value of the general interest 'articles' people like Paul place on the list from time to time. Interesting, albeit very frustrating for you! Keep us posted on your progress. Are there any Australian sources you could look at ? Best of luck Helen Helen Jones, Weymouth, Dorset helen@melcombe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.melcombe.freeserve.co.uk

Happy NEW Year to All, Help I've got a problem with a family of BUNDHOLE who appeared to disappear from Dorset around 1800. They were in Shipto Gorge area until about this time. Does anyone know if they could be the BUNDY family, passengers on SPEEDY as mentioned by Paul. On the other hand, is there any knowldge of BUNDHOLEs, anywhere? Brainteasers come at all times of the year for me, not only at Christmas! Bernard OPC Shipton Gorge > 22 Mar 1854: Speedy, ship, 1031, Captain Nightingale, from London, [Dep. > 22 Dec 1853] ; Passengers: Mr & Mr Bundy & 3 children ; ..........

Some time ago I posted the following message re the Speedy, built at Bridport, and have now added a few snippets regarding two of her passages to Australia that I've managed to track down from the Shipping Gazette and Sydney General Trade List. It would appear to indicate that the Australian Gold Rush was still on. One wonders how this affected our relatives on this side of the World and how many of them dashed off never to be seen again ? The fame of the Marco Polo, Indian Queen, Sovereign of the Seas, and other fast sailing American-built ships, will shortly be contested by the new British clipper ship whose portrait we have engraved this week. The Speedy has been built at the yard of Messrs. Cox and Son, of Bridport, on lines said to be unsurpassed by any vessel afloat ; her appearance in the London Docks has excited much interest among the seafaring community and the confidence of her admirers is shown in the fact that heavy wagers are pending upon her accomplishing the voyage to Sydney in less period than any other sailing ship has yet done. She is a noble vessel 1060 tons register, and 1600 tons burthen, and will carry a limited number of passengers at one uniform rate - all accommodated on the saloon or upper deck; the whole of the lower part of the ship being devoted to freight Her qualifications appear to us equal to those of any vessel we have yet seen, every appointment both for passengers and crew being most perfect. She has a poop of unusually large extent; an elegant saloon ; is very lofty 'tween decks ; and her cabins, both in size and accommodation are of the highest order. Her brokers Messrs. Hotchkin and Mobbs, have spared no pains to render the vessel as comfortable aboard as she is outwardly beautiful in mould. Messrs. Prowse and Co. of Liverpool, the owners of the Speedy, we the proprietors of many of the finest liners afloat. The Speedy, is appointed to sail on the 10th instant, and it will be both curious and satisfactory to the south country builders if the palm of success in the construction of clipper-ships should after all be awarded to Bridport. She is expected to make the passage to Sydney in seventy days. Her dimensions are:- length from stem to stern-post, 192 feet ; over all, 202 feet ; beam, 33 feet ; depth of hold, 21 feet; poop, 62 feet long. She is built of teak and English oak.- The Illustrated London News, 10 Dec., 1853. SG 27 Mar. 1854 ; Page 57 ; Vol 11 22 Mar 1854: Speedy, ship, 1031, Captain Nightingale, from London, [Dep. 22 Dec 1853] ; Passengers: Mr & Mr Bundy & 3 children ; Mr & Mrs Moore ; Mr & Mrs W Poulter & child ; Mr & Mrs Thomas Poulter ; Mr & Mrs Williams ; Mrs Smedley ; Mrs De Forney ; Mrs Usher and 3 children ; Miss Wallace ; Messrs. L Fennings Lee, Tate, Samuels, Warrington, Broom, Wilson, Wilson Sen., Wilson Jun., Graves, Mayhew, Mis Mayhew, and Mr Dixon. Ebsworth & Co. agents. Arrival 9 April, 1855: Speedy, 1032 tons, Captain J. H. Nightingale ; from Southampton, Jan 6 ; with 414 government immigrants ; J. & S. Spyer & Co. Agents. SG & SGTL ; Page 74 ; of 16 Apr. 1855. The Speedy. This splendid clipper ship arrived on Monday from London, [Dep. 2nd Jan 1855,] after a fair passage of 92 days. She left Southampton on the 5th January, with the wind west south west, in company with the Kaffirland, also bound for Sydney : and on the 9th January saw the Lizard Point having beaten the whole way down channel. January 20, in latitude 21° 32' N., longitude 21° 48' W. The ship Hampden of and from Hamburgh, bound to Sydney, was spoken ; also January 28, saw the ship Guiding Star, from Liverpool, hound to Melbourne, in latitude 19° 47' N. , longitude, 25° 36' W. February 7, crossed the equator having never had a fair wind for two consecutive days since leaving England. March 8, passed the meridian of the Cape of Good Hope, in latitude 45° S., April 2, rounded the South end of Van Diemen's Land, since which time she has had constant northerly winds, with rain. The Speedy brings to this port 417 Government emigrants, classed as follows :- 79 married couples, 68 single women, 74 single men, and 101 children. One sudden death from disease of the heart, and five births have occurred during the voyage. There has not been a single case of sickness on hoard. The immigrants who are all English, and chiefly mechanics, appear very clean and respectable The ship is in a very clean condition, and the immigrants speak in terms of great praise of both the captain and surgeon for their kindness and attention during the voyage. Captain Nightingale has brought London papers to January 5. SG & SGTL ; Page 78 ; of 16 Apr. 1855. Speedy, 1,031 tons 27 Jun 1855 Captain Nightingall. Gold and specie shipped for London 27 June, 1855.- Speedy, ship, 1031 tons, Captain Nightingall, for London. Passengers - Mr. and Mrs. and Miss King, Mrs Ellis, Mrs. and two Masters Nathan, Mrs. Faveno and family (6), Mrs. and Miss Ironside, Mr. and Mrs. Reid, Mr. Chisholm and Misses Chisholm (2), Messrs. Strong, Clarke, Monro, Nightingall, Dr. Chapman, and 1 in the steerage. SG & SGTL ; Vol. 12 ; Page 150 of 2 Jul 1855. The following is the amount of gold and specie shipped on board the Speedy, bound for London. Specie. Sovereigns Bank of New South Wales 15,000 L. and S. Spyer and Co. 2100 Flavelle, Brothers 400 D. S. Warren and Co 1000 John Row 500 M. and L. Broadziak 323 Josiah Mullins 315 S. Browning 420 J. C. Hopkins 07 Total 20,265 Gold Dust. oz. dwt. gr. Union Bank 3384 0 0 Oriental Bank 3352 16 12 Bay and Glaister 115 17 0 M. and L. Brodziak ?? 152 8 0 Total 7005 1 12 Value, £26,268 SG & SGTL ; Vol. 12 ; Page 149 of 2 Jul 1855. Paul 50.33.50N 02.26.70W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Season's Greetings to everyone Whilst transcribing some entries from the Navy List for 1844, and checking one with the NBD, I came across the following: Circa late 1809: Lieutenant Matthew Gray reports in his entry in the Naval Biographical Dictionary (NBD) that prior to sailing in HMS Thalia to the West Indies, in one of the frigate's boats, and while in attendance of the King, off Weymouth, assisted in saving the royal barge ; an occasion on which the late Sir Harry Neale lost his son. I wondered if anyone could add to the saga or does this sum it up ? And just for the record, the following snippets from the Naval Chronicle from a few years earlier would indicate that the Napoleonic Wars probably came quite close to home and our relatives, at times: 1 - 29 Jan 1799 - Two brigs, with iron from Cardiff to London, have been captured by a French privateer, retaken by the PIGMY cutter, and brought into Portland, with the cutter. Unnamed vessel captured off Portland by French privateer. Ann & Susan (American Ship), Captain Fricker ?, captured off Portland by privateer, 18 guns and carried into Cherbourg. Sorry to bore all those who don't have maritime interests ;-) Regards Paul 50.33.50N 02.26.70W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

News from the Dorset Archives contained in their "For the Record" information sheet, Winter 2003 I don't know how many of you are on the Dorset Archives mailing list, but here are some snippets which may be of interest: VOLUNTEERS NEEDED If you live near the Record Office, volunteer transcribers are needed to transcribe from original parish registers for the transcripts which are available to all visitors and kept on the open shelves. Volunteers are also needed in other fields - no details given. Please contact Jacqui Halewood at the Record Office if you can offer your services. DORSET COAST DIGITAL ARCHIVE PROJECT This has been launched on http://www.dcda.org.uk More and more material is expected to go 'live' over the next few months. Tithe maps are the ROs first contribution to this project developed jointly with Bournemouth University. I haven't looked at the site myself - I hadn't realised it was up and running! COPYING FEES These have risen from December 1st....New prices Black and white Photcopies - 50p/A4; 70p/A3 Black and White Overhead Digital Copies - £2.50/A4 and £3.00/A3 Colour Overhead Digital Copies - £6.00 Certified Copies - £3.50 When my husband visited last week he was told that visitors would no longer be able to use their own cameras to photograph documents, maps etc. Don't forget that before the RO will supply you with any photocopies you will have to fill in and return a copyright declaration form, and, for those of you buying from abroad, sterling cheques only are acceptable. They do not take credit cards. CHANGES IN COPYRIGHT LAW New copyright legislation came into force in the UK on 31st October 2003 and the RO says they have had to change their copyright declaration forms as a result. You have to sign these before you can buy a photocopy or photograph. The two main changes relevant to researchers are the new clauses: Copies can only be provided for "research for a non commercial purpose or private study" and "copies cannot be supplied to any other person" This will affect professional researchers and their customers (no longer allowed to obtain copies of register entries to send to clients) and people working with other family members who might obtain one copy and then provide other relatives with a copy for their own records. Does it, I wonder, affect those of us who carry out reciprocal research for others of a non commercial variety? I have often obtained copies of Dorset records in the past and swopped for copies that a fellow researcher has obtained in another RO that I can't get to, or just sent them on to another researcher as a favour? Is that now against the law? The article does say that the new law is very complex and difficult to summarise. They suggest you contact Jacqui Halewood for more information. OTHER NEWS I have already posted about restricted opening times due to staff shortages and budget problems. Staff shortages have also meant that there has been little time for cataloguing new accessions. They direct researches to the A2A: http://www.a2a.pro.gov.uk Finally they remind everyone that it is advisable to make an appointment before visiting the Record Office (especially now their opening hours are restricted) and remind everyone that they close at 1pm on Christmas Eve and re-open at 9am on January 6th. For more information about the Record Office, visit their website at http://www/dorsetcc.gov.uk/archives email: archives@dorsetcc.gov.uk If you have any questions about the information contained, please contact the Record Office not me. I am simply summarising the information sheet I received in the post this morning! I am also sending it to Brit-Gen Dorset list and the OPC list so you may see it again! Helen Helen Jones, Weymouth, Dorset helen@melcombe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.melcombe.freeserve.co.uk

Thanks so much for the link. A most enjoyable and informative programme. Lovely to hear one of the more lively tunes for "While Shepherds watched" Cathy Western Australia At 20:24 18/12/2003, Mmbowler1@aol.com wrote: >Hi > >I have just caught a radio programme on BBC Radio 4 called Going the Rounds >which describes how > >"At Christmas time the lanes around Hardy's birthplace echo to traditional >Dorset carols as the Thomas Hardy Society and musicians 'The Madding Crowd' >re-enact 'Going the Rounds' from 'Under the Greenwood Tree'. > >As she follows the performance around the original locations, local writer >and broadcaster Claire Kendall-Price, discovers how traditional customs, >places >and people feature in the novel during this seasonal celebration of Thomas >Hardy's Wessex." > >It also has some family history interest about families in the area around >Hardy's birthplace, Bockhampton. > >I think you should be able to hear it on > >http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/progs/listenagain.shtml > >Hope this is of interest > >Regards >Maureen Bowler >Caerphilly, South Wales ><Mmbowler1@aol.com

Hi I have just caught a radio programme on BBC Radio 4 called Going the Rounds which describes how "At Christmas time the lanes around Hardy's birthplace echo to traditional Dorset carols as the Thomas Hardy Society and musicians 'The Madding Crowd' re-enact 'Going the Rounds' from 'Under the Greenwood Tree'. As she follows the performance around the original locations, local writer and broadcaster Claire Kendall-Price, discovers how traditional customs, places and people feature in the novel during this seasonal celebration of Thomas Hardy's Wessex." It also has some family history interest about families in the area around Hardy's birthplace, Bockhampton. I think you should be able to hear it on http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/progs/listenagain.shtml Hope this is of interest Regards Maureen Bowler Caerphilly, South Wales <Mmbowler1@aol.com

On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 20:42:15 +0000, Helen Jones <helen@melcombe.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: >At 21:30 10/12/2003 +0000, you wrote: >>Hi! >> >>I've emailed John Rogan a couple of times about a name I found in the >>archives of this list, but his address RoganGenealogy@aol.com is bouncing >>messages. > >Hi Judy >This is to reply to your message and for general information - I think >there are problems with AOL this week, and other ISPs as well. I have had >some problems myself with freeserve. I have heard other reports of AOL >problems, so it would be worth waiting a few days then trying again if you >can't get a message to anyone who is using AOL >All the best >Helen > > >Helen Jones, Weymouth, Dorset >helen@melcombe.freeserve.co.uk >http://www.melcombe.freeserve.co.uk This may or may not be a part of the problem ? I hear that AOL has recently bitten the bullet regarding spam, and when it thinks a subscriber of an ISP may be the source of spam and the ISP, having been warned, doesn't appear to be doing anything about it, it will deny access to that ISP and conversely will not accept mail from it..... But I could be wrong and its simply one of those regular ISP problems we all seem to suffer from time to time ;-) Paul 50.33.50N 02.26.70W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

At 21:30 10/12/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Hi! > >I've emailed John Rogan a couple of times about a name I found in the >archives of this list, but his address RoganGenealogy@aol.com is bouncing >messages. Hi Judy This is to reply to your message and for general information - I think there are problems with AOL this week, and other ISPs as well. I have had some problems myself with freeserve. I have heard other reports of AOL problems, so it would be worth waiting a few days then trying again if you can't get a message to anyone who is using AOL All the best Helen Helen Jones, Weymouth, Dorset helen@melcombe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.melcombe.freeserve.co.uk