Hello Listers, You should all know by now that Helen Jones has had to step aside from her role as List Administrator owing to the pressure of personal commitments. The original plan had been that Bernard Meech and I would share the admin. duties, but we have subsequently agreed that (to borrow Bernard's metaphor) two hands on the tiller would be overkill. It would be difficult to improve on the commendable way in which Helen conducted this friendly list, and I shall be adhering to the philosophy of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"! So..... It's business as usual, with my name being substituted for Helen's. Alan Brown has kindly offered the assistance which he gave Helen as Deputy List Admin, so no changes there either. I've been a subscriber to this list since day one, and have noticed that the activity tends to come in flurries, with relatively quiet spells in between. We seem to be in such a lull at the moment, so I would welcome any suggestions for new threads relevant to Dorset of yesteryear. Subjects such as cottage industries, Dorset dialect and food (universally popular!) have generated a lot of interest in the past. How about a county-wide search for the Dorset Oozer? (The what??) Lastly, I'm sure I'm not alone in wishing to thank Helen for the outstanding way in which she has nurtured this list since its inception back in 2001. All the best, Davy Cannon Dorchester, Dorset

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Your new list admins are Davy Cannon - a local resident from Dorchester and Bernard Meech (a social and ecomonic history expert) and they are going to act as joint admins. They have both been subscribed for a long time, and I know you will be in great hands. Alan will continue as deputy. I think Davy and Bernard will introduce themselves, give you their cotnact details etc. Thanks also to those others who offered. Thanks too for all your good wishes. I can breathe a little easier tonight as my Mother has turned the corner for the time being. On Monday we did not think she would pull through but she has rallied and is a lot stronger; Unfortunately it is just a case of buying time as her condition is terminal, but we are grateful for all the time we have with her. Thank too, to everyone who answered my query about 18th century Doctors - I am in a rush so have not been able to thank you all , but I will follow up your leads. I am trying to tie up lots of loose ends so that I can give my Mother a really good history to read - she was the one who started me researching, has trudged round grave yards, pored over registers at Record Offices, named all the old photos, dug out addresses and generally encouraged me every step of the way so I am concentrating on writing it all up for her. Happy Hunting everyone - I am not unsubbing but may not be posting for a while Helen Helen Jones, Weymouth, Dorset helen@melcombe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.melcombe.freeserve.co.uk

Hi Helen. I was able to find my doctor in the book:: 18th century medics:: that I got on library exchange. I was able to find reference to him 1783 and 1789 in Fowey Cornwall but I still have no idea where he was from. He died in Swanage Dorset 1821 aged 68 and I found lots of other news of him at that town,but as of now I still am stuck like yourselfb . Lots of luck.Brian. Brian DAVIS concord CA USA

Hi Helen Unfortunately all occupations of the past were not set as much as they are in the 20th and 21st century. In the 1760's he could have been an amatuer Doctor or Apothacary? I am not certain when exactly you had to have formal qualifications to be called a doctor but think that happened later in the 1800's. I think this subject was written about in one of the UK Mags Family History Magazine or Family History Monthly or Practical Family History some time ago. Sorry cant recall which year or month exactly. The old occupation of Apothacary split into Doctor and Phamacist in the 1800's I think. Your "Ameateur" may have done both roles in the 1760's when it was not yet a profession. Sounds just as difficult as having an Ag Lab. A general term for someone who may have actually been a specialist in one type of Ag work but they were all lumped together. I guess A shearer was an Ag Lab, one ancester that was a carter was an Ag Lab, Someone who sowed the crops were ag Labs etc etc. Good Luck on your Doc' regards Michael Cheeseman -----Original Message----- From: Helen Jones [mailto:helen@melcombe.freeserve.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, 17 February 2004 5:24 AM To: ENG-DORSET-LIFE-L@rootsweb.com Subject: [DOR-LIFE] How to research a Doctor in the 18th century? Before I give up, does anyone know the best way of researching a Doctor in the 18th century? I have been chasing my Samuel West for years. I have him in Fontmell Magna in the 1760s but have never found where he came from. There were a number of West families in the area but I cannot place him with any. I have now found one reference to him as Dr.West. This may a mistake or it may be an honorary title - his wife's brother was also referred to as 'Doctor' because he was an amateur medicine man. If, however, he was a qualified Doctor, how do I find out what he was a Doctor of, and where he gained his qualifications (presumably Oxford or Cambridge)? If he was a Doctor then I supposed he may have come from outside Dorset hence my lack of success in tracing him. His wife's family were fairly well off and lesser gentry and most of the children seemed to marry well, so it may well be that he did have a profession. Has anyone carried out research of this sort before? It makes a change from all my usual ag labs! (BTW the family had lost all their fortunes and lands generations before it got anywhere near me!) Helen Helen Jones, Weymouth, Dorset helen@melcombe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.melcombe.freeserve.co.uk ==== ENG-DORSET-LIFE Mailing List ==== Visitng the Society of Genealogists? Check their online catalogue to see which Dorset registers they hold: http://www.sog.org.uk/prc/dor.html ============================== Gain access to over two billion names including the new Immigration Collection with an Ancestry.com free trial. Click to learn more. http://www.ancestry.com/rd/redir.asp?targetid=4930&sourceid=1237 --- Incoming mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.588 / Virus Database: 372 - Release Date: 13/02/04 --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.588 / Virus Database: 372 - Release Date: 13/02/04

Hi Helen There is a book which might be of help as it has names taken from various records relating the medical profession by the Newcastle upon Tyne : Project for Historical Bibibliography. It is called Eighteenth century medics (subscriptions, licences, apprenticeships) by P.J. and R.V. Wallis with the assistance of J.G.L. Burnby and the late T.D. Whittet (1988) ISBN/ISSN 1871768004 I saw a copy at the SOG but you should be able to get it through interlibrary loan if it isn't available locally. All the best Regards Maureen Bowler Caerphilly, South Wales <Mmbowler1@aol.com

Also remember that 'doctor' was/still is an academic title, not just medicine. For example, "Doctor" Johnson compiled the first real English Dictionary in 1755 - although I believe that this was more an honorary title than the equivalent of a modern PhD. Geoff

Before I give up, does anyone know the best way of researching a Doctor in the 18th century? I have been chasing my Samuel West for years. I have him in Fontmell Magna in the 1760s but have never found where he came from. There were a number of West families in the area but I cannot place him with any. I have now found one reference to him as Dr.West. This may a mistake or it may be an honorary title - his wife's brother was also referred to as 'Doctor' because he was an amateur medicine man. If, however, he was a qualified Doctor, how do I find out what he was a Doctor of, and where he gained his qualifications (presumably Oxford or Cambridge)? If he was a Doctor then I supposed he may have come from outside Dorset hence my lack of success in tracing him. His wife's family were fairly well off and lesser gentry and most of the children seemed to marry well, so it may well be that he did have a profession. Has anyone carried out research of this sort before? It makes a change from all my usual ag labs! (BTW the family had lost all their fortunes and lands generations before it got anywhere near me!) Helen Helen Jones, Weymouth, Dorset helen@melcombe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.melcombe.freeserve.co.uk

I have found a mention of Grope Street Lane in the parish of Wareham St Martin. Anyone know where this was? Was the name changed to something more "polite" in the 19th Century? Ros

Would anyone like to take over the list from me? My Mother is very ill and so I do not have the time to administer lists at the present time. Anyone interested? It is a small, quiet list and no problem! Helen Helen Jones, Weymouth, Dorset helen@melcombe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.melcombe.freeserve.co.uk

New from Archive CD books - note this is more local history than family history, but I don't think you can separate the two. If you are researching ancestors from the Purbecks, then this account of life in Corfe Castle should be of interest to you! ** Corfe Castle The story of Corfe Castle (Dorset) and of many who lived there. Published in 1853. Collected from ancient chronicles, records, and private memoirs of a family resident in the castle during the Civil War. see Dorset history & topography page http://www.archivecdbooks.org Helen Helen Jones, Weymouth, Dorset helen@melcombe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.melcombe.freeserve.co.uk

Ah yes - I had Norfolk stuck in my mind, but that place is pronounced Haysbrugh so it was not likely to be a mispelling. I was also very concious of the fact that several of the names sounded Germanic but did not put two and two together. Now you suggest it, it seems a very plausible explanation. When the RO is open on Mondays again I will see if there is any more detail in the registers. Helen At 12:41 19/01/2004 +0000, Paul Benyon wrote: > >24 Jan 1805 Charles MULLER of the German Legion to Elizabeth SHITTLER > >of the parish of Hapsborough > > >One wonders if Hapsborough is a local translation of Hapsburgh - was >this not a town or state in Austria at that time - the Royal Family's >name - House of Hapsburgh and all that ? I know little about these >things, but the lady appears to have a vaguely Austrian name, perhaps >today spelt Schittler or similar - I'm sure others on the list will have >ideas ;-) Helen Jones, Weymouth, Dorset helen@melcombe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.melcombe.freeserve.co.uk

On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 12:06:48 +0000, Helen Jones <helen@melcombe.freeserve.co.uk> wrote: >24 Jan 1805 Charles MULLER of the German Legion to Elizabeth SHITTLER >of the parish of Hapsborough Hi Helen Thanks for the transcription. One wonders if Hapsborough is a local translation of Hapsburgh - was this not a town or state in Austria at that time - the Royal Family's name - House of Hapsburgh and all that ? I know little about these things, but the lady appears to have a vaguely Austrian name, perhaps today spelt Schittler or similar - I'm sure others on the list will have ideas ;-) What with Napoleon's travels around Europe I suspect that the armed forces of the former German States also travelled fairly well at that time, and that a connection with Austria wouldn't be unusual during this period ? Regards Paul 50.33.50N 02.26.70W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html

Last year I posted about the Kings German Legion in Radipole. I had help from a number of people on list and someone (not subscribed) gave me a list of the Kings German Legion marriages at St Mary's, Melcombe Regis and St Ann's, Radipole, which he had transcribed in the past for his own purposes and which he was happy for me to post to the list. I promptly lost the list but in clearing out today, found it. Maybe there is a bride that someone has lost trace of in their family tree? St Mary's, Melcombe Regis 23 April 1804 Francis GALLEMAERS of the German Legion to Anne GALLENSTROOT otp 28 April 1804 Wilhelm PROBST of the German Legion to Ella MURPHY otp 29 June 1804 John POSTEZ of the German Legion to to Susanna BURKE otp 11 July 1804 Joseph FOREKACH of the German Legion to to Eve MADINEVOR otp 15 Oct 1804 Alexander FUSZ of the German Legion to to Sarah DRAKE otp 11 Nov 1804 Fritz GERKE of the German Legion to Mary DODGE otp 12 Dec 1804 Christopher HESSE of the German Legion to Charlotte ROSENBROOK of Radipole 27 Feb 1805 Baltasar WEBER of the German Legion to to Mary WINDSOR otp 5 Mar 05 Mathias ARENBERG of the German Legion to to Ann STAYNER of Stafford, Dorset 30 March 05 John Christopher CASTENS of the German Legion to Elizabeth BEER otp 29 Apr 05 Henry BEANEZ of the German Legion to Louisa ARNES otp St Anns, Radipole 24 Jan 1805 Charles MULLER of the German Legion to Elizabeth SHITTLER of the parish of Hapsborough (there is nothing to say where Hapsborourgh is; I am not aware of a place of this name in the Weymouth. There is a Happisburgh in Norfolk but not pronounced phonetically.) 23 Aug 1805 Frederick BACKHAUS of the German Legion to Mary PAPEN otp 2 Sept 1805 John Henry WOLTERS of the German Legion to Mary WITHIN otp otp - of this parish ie resident in the parish, but this could be a temporary residency. Some of the bride's names do not look local! All these records are on film in the parish registers of St Marys and St Anns, held at the Dorset County Record Office. Helen Helen Jones, Weymouth, Dorset helen@melcombe.freeserve.co.uk http://www.melcombe.freeserve.co.uk

The following is another brief chapter from the ZELLEY's of Dorset. THE VARIATION NAME GAME: By Brian Zelley > As a follow-up to the recent posting of the ZELLEY variation issue on > various posts, the Fleet area ZELLEY's had several variations such as > Zelley, Zealy, and Sealey. > > GEORGE THOMAS ZELLEY > > There were two - 1850's and 1870's. > The one born in the 1850's with the Zelley name was the son of > Augustine and Maria BOWRING. He had various siblings such as Eliza > and Charles Frederick ZELLEY (born at Fleet - 1856). In Census of > future years, this one was listed as SEALY in Fleet!? > Eliza married Edward BROWN in 1875, and had various children from the > likes of Edward C. BROWN (1881 -1958) to Florence May BROWN. > > Edward married Amy ROBINSON in 1909, one of the sons Norman emigrated > to Vancouver, Canada in 1947. Some of his ancestors have names such > as HOLLINGWORTH. In a recent notice in the "Echo" there was an > announcement of his passing in 2003. Of course, with Bios. they > rarely mention the family connections or the long-term roots. Also, > the maternal branches of some family groups are often left in the > "trash heap" of historical documents. > Florence May BROWN married an Edward > NEWMAN and emigrated to Western Australia. > > The other GEORGE THOMAS ZELLEY,born in 1876, was a son of Thomas > Richard ZELLEY and Mary SYMES. (He was an older brother of James > Richard ZELLEY of the "Spirit" and "St. Jans" collision in 1910). > Thomas married Cecelia COX and emigrated to Australia with two of the > children. The other child died in Leceistershire in the early 1900's. > In Australia George was a member of the Wicker Makers Guild and > memers of his family were and are actively involved with The > Salvation Army. > > Getting back to dusty old records - some of the names carried by the > ZELLEY girls' descendants include BROWNSWORD, CRONK, JOHNSTON, > JOHNSON, MORAN, MORRISON, NISHIOKA, O'FLYNN, TAYLOR, TIMMS, TOMPKINS > and many others. (They can be found scattered from > the West coast of the USA and Canada, Alberta, > and Wisconsin. They can be found sprinkled about in various UK towns > from Portland to East Anglia. And various branches are foun in the > "Lands Down Under" be it the "Land of Oz" or the "Kiwi Konnections" > > They have or had a variety of jobs such as accountant, police officer, > shop keepers, teachers etc. And, no family tree is complete without a > sprinkling of the "bad boys and girls". > > From my Dorset and Zelley pages, Brian ZELLEY All listers may > review the DORSET FAMILIES site and request names to be added at > www.tribalpages.com/tribes/dorset >

Hi I caught the end of a programme called "On Your Farm" on BBC Radio 4 this morning. It was about an Internet Radio station called Farm Radio which is about farming in West Dorset and has reminiscences of how farming life was in the past - such as haymaking, gloving and the local fairs. You can find out about the programme on http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/factual/onyourfarm.shtml and listen to it. The Farm radio station can be found at http://www.farmradio.org.uk It has readings from a book of reminiscences of farming in Dorset by Jack Dimond called "Dimond Gems" which is now out of print Hope this will be of interest Regards Maureen Bowler Caerphilly, South Wales <Mmbowler1@aol.com

The Navy List for 20 Jun 1844 advises personnel that the Surgeon and Agent for Weymouth ie the doctor that naval personnel on leave, or working in the area, should report to if sick in order to obtain treatment and a sick note was a Mr Andrew Lithgow. The person performing the same task at Lyme Regis was a Mr George Codrington and at Poole a Mr Thomas Salter. There is a suggestion that sick quarters may also have been available ? Paul 50.33.50N 02.26.70W http://www.pbenyon.plus.com/Naval.html