I have traced my Clark/e ancestors at South Milton and woodleigh. My 2x gt-grand father Enoch married twice i wish to make contact with decendants of his children! Stephen c Mary Emma Rosa Kate Frederick william Tryphena Rebecca richard Harrietta Samuel Martha Enoch Nathanial Enochs first wife was Emma northmore Ford and she was born at Woodleigh in 1846 his second wife Martha williams was born in Jersey though was living in Churchstow when she married Enoch. If you are connected would like to hear from you!

Hello Phil, I think that your best bet would be to subscribe to the DEVON Mailing List. Just send a message to <DEVON-L-request@rootsweb.com> with the single word subscribe in the message subject and body. You will find that there are plenty of helpful people on the list. Good Luck! Joan Rotorua, NZ

Good afternoon, I was trying to find a email list for Plymouth but the closest I could get was this list, so I am hoping someone on the list either knows where I should be looking or maybe even the chap I am talking about. Robert Gillet (Jillet) aka Thomas Elston was (sentenced to death) transported to Australia in 1799 and in his Old Baily court case in London, he made this statement Prisoner. "I did not know that I should be tried till Thursday or Friday, and I have no friends here; I have got a wife and five children; I am a shoemaker; I was at Plymouth, and worked with Mr. Wake all last winter." This should all have been in the same year, 1799. Robert/Thomas was aged 36. He married again in Australia and is my 5xg grandfather. The wife he mentions never came out to Australia, so I am hoping that the family all stayed in Plymouth and even more hopeful that someone may have information about them. I would love to hear from anyone who may be able to offer assistance. kind rgds Phil Butler.....Qld, Aus.

Many thanks to everyone who offered advice regarding my query! Cheers, Courtney On 3/1/05 6:39 PM, "Robyn Leeds" <honey@honeyshome.com> wrote: > Hi Joan and Courtney :) > > Actually if it were an Australian death certificate you'd be given a lot more > information than this. It would also tell you spouse's name, whether living > or dead, number of issue together with names and age/deceased as well as > number of years in the Colony. > > Take care, > > Rob. > IBSSG > Stuttgart, Germany, > Honey's Home of Genealogy > www.honeyshome.com >

At 20:17 3/01/05, you wrote: >I feel I may have found the death of my William HURRELL in Kingsbridge >1893 but will the death cert actually contain enough information to >confirm whether this is MY William? > >I've always avoided buying death certs because everyone says they contain >so little information... Hi Courtney, You're absolutely correct in not expecting much from an English death certficate. The age is the best bit but that may not be reliable - as I always tell students "the only person who MAY reliably know is dead". The informant may have been doctor, midwife, neighbour or any other visitor who happened to have been around "at the time of death". Seldom, if ever, is any relationship stated - it was not required, so why tell anyone? Depending on the date and age the best you can do is check the nearest census before death and others before that - and/or make a guess as to date & place of birth and try that. Give me some details and I'll do what I can. Ray Co-ordinator of the Rootsweb SOUTHHAMS Mailing List and Webmaster of the South Hams information site - to be found at <http://my4bears.orcon.net.nz/Home.html>

Sometimes Death Certificates do contain very little information but often they are extremely useful. It depends who the "informant" is - usually the family relationship is given together with the current address. This can be very helpful - not only in providing evidence of the relationship and of dispersal patterns but also in painting a picture of family relationships and who was still on good terms with who etc., Mostly the informants are children - I found a married daughter solely through a death certificate where she was the informant and had come up from Worcestershire to Lancashire to be at her Devonshire mother's deathbed. Similarly I have another married daughter who came down to Devon from Manchester to be at her father's deathbed.. As well as the very common occurrence of wives and husbands, you also occasionally get a mother or father or grandparent at an adult child's death. Sometimes, when the informant appears to be an unknown, a little digging can reveal a sister-in-law or other such relation that you didn't know about previously. So, yes, it is definitely worth taking the chance! On 3 Jan 2005 at 17:17, Courtney Pedersen wrote: > Hello there, > > Returning to South Hams research after a lengthy break... > > I'm hoping someone may be able to clarify a really basic question I have > before I proceed with ordering a cert from the UK. > > I feel I may have found the death of my William HURRELL in Kingsbridge 1893 > but will the death cert actually contain enough information to confirm > whether this is MY William? > > I've always avoided buying death certs because everyone says they contain so > little information... > > Is there a more reliable way to bury this ancestor or am I right to proceed? > > Thanks for your patience everyone, > > Courtney > -- > Courtney Pedersen > Brisbane, Australia > Researching: HURRELL, WOOD, WAKEHAM, MOORE, BAVILL - Malborough, > Thurlestone, South Hams DEV ENG > > ______________________________

Hello Courtney, The death certificate will give the following information: Where and when he died The name and surname of the deceased Sex Age Occupation Cause of death The informant's name, description (this is usually the relationship to the deceased) and address Date the death was registered Name of the registrar. In other words you get quite a lot of information, but I gather that the English death certificate does not include as much information as is provided in Australia. Regards, Joan Rotorua, NZ

Hi everyone, I need to identify a Mother, who is not mentioned on any BDM certificates. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. :) My GGG Grandfather, William BACK c.1823 Kingsbridge, Devon. [source: 1871 English Census] William BACK married Sarah WAKEFORD in Hampshire 1846. William states his father is Thomas BACK [occup: sadler], mother of course, doesn't rate a mention. :) Sarah BACK [nee Wakeford], died in 1861 Hampshire. William BACK remarries Emily Elizabeth DURRAND [Widow] in 1867 Southampton/Hampshire. [no children from this marriage] - Again, William's mother is not recorded on the marriage certificate. William BACK states on his 2nd marriage [1867] certificate that his father, Thomas BACK, is now deceased. William BACK eventually dies in 1871 Hampshire, his parents are not mentioned his death certificate. My problem is... how do I identify the birth of my William BACK c.1823 in Kingsbridge, without his mother's name? I also have no idea, whether William BACK's family moved to Hampshire when he was a young boy, or if the rest of the BACK family died in Devon. I have found 2 families connected to William BACK's family in Hampshire, England, but unfortunately, they haven't been able to shed any light. Kind regards, Sherrie. Sydney, NSW, Australia. cross-posted to the Devon list.

Hello there, Returning to South Hams research after a lengthy break... I'm hoping someone may be able to clarify a really basic question I have before I proceed with ordering a cert from the UK. I feel I may have found the death of my William HURRELL in Kingsbridge 1893 but will the death cert actually contain enough information to confirm whether this is MY William? I've always avoided buying death certs because everyone says they contain so little information... Is there a more reliable way to bury this ancestor or am I right to proceed? Thanks for your patience everyone, Courtney -- Courtney Pedersen Brisbane, Australia Researching: HURRELL, WOOD, WAKEHAM, MOORE, BAVILL - Malborough, Thurlestone, South Hams DEV ENG

Hi all Does anyone have any information on James Wright born Kingston, Hampshire abt 1825 married Ann Edmonds from Stokenham - Charles Byron Wright who married Annie Eliza Powlesland and any other members of this family all lived in kellaton, stokenham. any information would be useful. cheers Pam England

Hi Joan and Courtney :) Actually if it were an Australian death certificate you'd be given a lot more information than this. It would also tell you spouse's name, whether living or dead, number of issue together with names and age/deceased as well as number of years in the Colony. Take care, Rob. IBSSG Stuttgart, Germany, Honey's Home of Genealogy www.honeyshome.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Joan Wood To: ENG-DEV-SOUTHHAMS-L@rootsweb.com Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 8:46 AM Subject: Re: [SOUTHHAMS] Death Cert usefulness? Hello Courtney, The death certificate will give the following information: Where and when he died The name and surname of the deceased Sex Age Occupation Cause of death The informant's name, description (this is usually the relationship to the deceased) and address Date the death was registered Name of the registrar. In other words you get quite a lot of information, but I gather that the English death certificate does not include as much information as is provided in Australia. Regards, Joan Rotorua, NZ ============================== View and search Historical Newspapers. Read about your ancestors, find marriage announcements and more. Learn more: http://www.ancestry.com/s13969/rd.ashx

Hi all Does anyone have any information on James Wright born Kingston, Hampshire abt 1825 married Ann Edmonds from Stokenham - Charles Byron Wright who married Annie Eliza Powlesland and any other members of this family all lived in kellaton, stokenham. any information would be useful. cheers Pam England

Hi all, A transcript of the 1841 census of Dittisham is now available. The main South Hams 1841 index has also been updated. Have fun, Ray Osborn Rotorua, NZ Co-ordinator of the Rootsweb SOUTHHAMS Mailing List and Webmaster of the South Hams information site - to be found at <http://my4bears.orcon.net.nz/Home.html>

Hi all, The Totnes Union Workhouse 1841 census transcript is now available. The main South Hams index has also been updated. Regards, Ray Osborn Rotorua, NZ Co-ordinator of the Rootsweb SOUTHHAMS Mailing List and Webmaster of the South Hams information site - to be found at <http://my4bears.orcon.net.nz/Home.html>

Goodmorning, Would anyone have the Cornworthy Baptism Booklets of the PR's for Cornworthy? I have just discovered via Ray Osborn's 1841 census site for Cornworthy a Robert and Eli EDMONDS aged 14 & 12 years living with a DAMERELL family in Cornworthy. Can someone please check to see if these two boys are baptised in Cornworthy please. Cheers Bev. Edmonds Toowoomba, Qld, Australia OPC Dartington, Dean Prior, East Allington, Halwell, South Pool, Totnes & Stokenham, Devon, Eng. Looking for EDMONDS, Devon anywhere/anytime GASTRELL, worldwide

Hi All, Is there anyone with an interest in this name for Dartmouth at this time? Also, In the mid 1700's what was the age for marriage?If you had parental permission would it of been the norm to marry at 14? Any help on either most welcome. Regards,Kevin.

I believe I may be descended from ABRAHAM CALLARD (b. 1781) who lived in Cistern Street, Totnes and was "married" three times. (1) Eleanor PAYNE from 1799 - 1813 (2) Mary MUGFORD from Oct 1813 (3) Mary (?) from c.1840 I am particlurly interested in any descendants of the third marriage. I am aware of three children - EDWIN (b. 1844), SAMUEL (b. 1845) and ELLEN (b. 1849). My ancestor was ANDREW CALLARD who was born in Cistern Street in 1852 and whose parents were ABRAHAM and MARY (formerly STEWART) CALLARD. I am trying to establish whether that Mary Stewart is in fact Mary(?), third wife of Abraham above. Some time ago I was sent a Callard tree on which there were several Abrahams and there was a Cistern Street connection but no mention was made of an Andrew just the three children mentioned above. Andrew married Sarah Hawkin(g)s on 22.3 1874 at Totnes Register Office. The marriage certificate lists his father, Abraham, by then deceased, as a carpenter and turner. Sarah Hawkin(g)s was the daughter of Samuel Hawkings, a sawyer. I would be interested to hear from anyone who has any information on this part of the Callard family who lived in Totnes, Buckfastleigh and around. Val Turner

Hi all, It's a while since I last broadcast anything so herewith my Best Wishes for the Festive Season to you all and may all your research problems turn out to be truly insignificant....... The tempo of additions to my Web site has slowed in recent months for one reason or another but I intend to try, in future, to post alterations to this mailing List to save you accessing the Web site un-necessarily. Recently, I've added 1841 census transcripts for Woodleigh, Rattery and Cornworthy and re-organised access to the Churchstow/Kingsbridge Union Workhouse returns. In case you haven't noticed, the main 1841 index compiled from all parishes covered to date, is accessible via the "South Hams" page and can be quite a useful finding aid for that awkward period from 1837 to 1851. I'm currently working on the 1841 census of the Totnes Union Workhouse. Even though most of the parishes in this Union are not precisely within my definition of the South Hams, the returns may reveal just the person you are looking for. I'll shortly be adding a new page to the Web site that will list details of a small collection of books that I hold. These are mainly to do with the area surrounding Kingsbridge but contain 100's of photographs that I can easily copy - - but just the odd one, please, so as not to infringe any copyright that may apply. Regards to all, Ray Osborn Rotorua, NZ Co-ordinator of the Rootsweb SOUTHHAMS Mailing List and Webmaster of the South Hams information site - to be found at <http://my4bears.orcon.net.nz/Home.html>

Would anyone have information on who John BOON'S wife Frances c 1807 of East Allington was and when they married please? Wishing everyone a very Merry Christmas and a happy and safe New Year. Hope eveyone's " brick walls " come tumbling down in 2005. Cheers Bev. Edmonds Toowoomba, Qld, Australia OPC Dartington, Dean Prior, East Allington, Halwell, South Pool, Totnes & Stokenham, Devon, Eng. Looking for EDMONDS, Devon anywhere/anytime GASTRELL, worldwide

Hi List, This came through on another link today. Maybe some Devonians didn't like it in Oz and decidd to go back home. The Public Record Office of Victoria www.prov.vic.gov.au has just added Outward Passengers to Interstate, UK and Foreign Ports 1852-1856 to their online database. Very hand if you ancestors made that voyage to and from England and elsewhere. Direct link is http://www.prov.vic.gov.au/access/online.htm Cheers Bev